Rove on Dean

[ProudToBeLiberal]

Rove on Dean
Published: February 11 2005 02:00 | Last updated: February 11 2005 02:00

Karl Rove was on best behaviour at Time Warner's inaugural Conversations on the Circle this week in New York - until he was asked about Howard Dean.


Rovesurprised the audience by revealing the existence of a second "Dean scream".

Rove disclosed that the White House had a tape of the scream, which erupted at the end of a speech to the California Democratic state convention in Sacramento on March 15 2003.

Dean, then a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, declares: "I want my country back! . We want our country back! . I'm tired of being divided! . I don't want to listen to the fundamentalist preachers anymore! ."

more at...http://news.ft.com/cms/s/afbd3dae-7bd2-11d9-9af4-00000e2511c8.html
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Guys we are going to have to defend Dean fiercely. We fight and fight and fight. All I have to say to Rove is, "Bring it on."

[Dickie Flatt]

1. TURDBLOSSOM?

But just for the record, Rove - the man President Bush affectionately calls "Turdblossom" - considers Dean a worthy opponent who could be a good chairman of the Democratic national committee.

(And doesn't Bush call Putin "pootie-poot"? What is he, a toddler?)

[forintegrity]

4. Who cares what Rove thinks

about Dean?

[fnottr]

65. LOL oh God

We should start using that all the time, like we use Poppy for Bush I and Pickels for Laura Bush, etc

[Pacifist Patriot]

70. I take offense on behalf of my toddler for that remark.

He isn't nearly as immature, ignorant and dangerous as Bush. ;)

[fishwax]

81. WTF!

Is he a fecal freak, or is his mentality really that of the four-year-old set?

:wtf:

[merwin]

2. Aw, I thought there was going to be 'Rove on Dean' action...

[latteromden]

6. HAHAHAHA.

THAAA-AAANKS. I'm sick, and I just nearly threw up at the thought. :P

ETA: Love your icon - Gir!

Also ETA: This is my 666th post, and it deals with Rove. Oh, the irony.

[tridim]

27. What is that icon from?

It looks a bit like 'I, Gregory'.

[trapper914]

59. If there was Rove/Dean action....

...I bet you'd find it on a Jeff Gannon owned website.

[KissMeKate]

74. lol! eom

[SlavesandBulldozers]

3. oh no Dean's crazy!!!

:boring:

oh no Karl's going to ruin Dean's reputation in the eyes of the goosesteppers!

:cry:

[John Q. Citizen]

24. It's all so predictable. Every RW on my local ISP discussion board

says Dean's Chairmanship is the best thing that could have happened to the GOP, yet they hate that he got it. One might assume the fascists would be happy but they aren't. I smell fear.

They fear Dean because he's a populist and he's a centrist, and in this DNC position he's a spokesman with the luxery of not running for office. It allows him a lot more leeway in a lot of places.

Every time the GOP makes a ridiculas unfounded unethical attack on Dean, the DNC will get a pile of money, hopefully, and Dean will be clear, direct and passionate in his remarks.

I'm thrilled, so it doesn't surprise me that the regressives aren't happy.

[mattclearing]

34. They think he's crazy. Crazy people are unpredictable.

They throw haymakers. They catch you off-guard.

I know Howard Dean is crazy like a fox. The longer they underestimate him, the better in my opinion.

[wabeewoman]

42. And they fear him because

a lot of republicans like him-ordinary non-rich, you-wonder-why-they- are republican. And since they have found fear works so good, they try to scare us all with how 'unstable' he is. Dean will get the last laugh....

[Pachamama]

56. They fear him too because he's not afraid of them and he is a fiscal

conservative, something they are not.

[calimary]

75. Our next-door neighbors are now leaning that way, too.

They're staunch republi-CONS. But they were of the hold-your-nose-and-vote-for-bush ilk. Overall, they're intelligent and fairly reasonable, logical people. A couple of weeks ago, their kid (knowing I have a Howard Dean sticker on my inside rear window) told me her mom likes Howard Dean. And I'm really not all that surprised.

[MadisonProgressive]

60. I want to see his face melt!

[latteromden]

5. WhatwhatWHAT? Rove considers Dean a "worthy opponent"?!

Either he's kidding us (most likely), he's gone fucking insane (if he wasn't already), or we picked a damn good chairman (also likely, but I still think he's playing with us).

[SlavesandBulldozers]

10. Rove knows Dean is a major problem

bet on it.

[lyonn]

21. Me thinks they protest too much

I like it.

[Eloriel]

82. You got it -- in fact, here's a link

This was just posted on another thread this morning:

Why Rove Fears Dean: He Might Be The 'Democratic Reagan'
http://americanpolitics.info/apj/2003/03-11-13b.shtml

[aquart]

7. What a lovely quote. Thank Karl for finding it.

It's EXACTLY what I want to be hearing from now on.

It's delightful to know that Dean and I agree on these basics.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

9. exactly

oh Karl, you are so predictable trying to motivate your backwoods pigfucking fundies. we dont care anymore. you can have them.

[bunkerbuster1]

84. Karl was the one who laughed about us having the "wierd sex vote."

well, Karl, you can have the pigfuckers, 'k?

[SharonAnn]

8. Yes, it was wonderful! When I heard that I knew Dean was the man!

I had C-Span on while I was doing some workon the computer. Didn't know most of the candidates and wasn't really paying attention.

Then Dean got up and started talking and after a few minutes I stopped typing and looked at the TV with total concentration listening to Dean. He was awesome! And, it was the first time I'd seen a Democrat stand up and fight, fight, fight.

It was about time!

Dean is a more polished speaker now and I'm sure the tape will show he's grown a lot since then, but it was my epiphany about Dean and I'll never forget it. He showed honesty, integrity, but courage was the most important thing. It was one that the other candidates didn't show and it was the thing I was most hungry for.

He's a great coach and we're going to love him!

[w13rd0]

13. Yeah...

....ooooo, scary, they've got a tape of Dean saying that. Hell, I've got it in mp3 and wmv formats, and it was my StartUp clip for a while...

[LTR]

19. I use it on Yahoo! Messenger

The "YEEEAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH" scream. I customized the sounds folder.

[dave29]

11. Rove is a turdblossom.

I agree with Bush.

[meow2u3]

31. Turd BLOSSOM?

Does that mean Rove's a shit flower?

This proves, once and for all, that a Rove by any other name still stinks! :evilgrin:

[genieroze]

12. I think

ShitFlower, TurdBlossom or whatever is scared to death of Dean. GOOD!!!, Rover, bring it on.

* always says Bend over and let ROVEr take over. Well, not this time sucka.

[jdj]

14. I hope they play this one ALOT.

Because I think alot of people are sick of the the Sponge-Bob bashers.

[Goldeneye]

15. oh no...not another scream...

:crazy: :wtf: Man they're scraping the barrel. Its already been established that the scream was manufactured. Why don't they just get a tape of dean talking and edit in some fart noises?

[LTR]

16. Fuck Rove

I DO want my country back!

[fooj]

17. I smell fear in Rove's comments...

Time for the bully to reap what he has sewn!

[gatorboy]

18. GASP!! The White House has a tape of another Dean scream!

That Rove admits to storing things like this for future mud slinging use, just goes to show what little faith they actually have in Bush.

I mean c'mon. If Bush was that great a President, he could run on his four year presidential history alone. But that they admit to storing dirty tricks to use later, shows they can't win honestly...

[Depth03]

20. Here it is...........

at 1:15 into this piece.

<http://www.depthaudio.com/Dean.htm>

Howard Dean Remix

[latteromden]

23. And he is...

absolutely fucking right.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

25. nice remix nt

[janx]

64. Good remix, but I remember that speech, and I don't remember

any scream...?

Edit: OK, now I understand...thanks.

[fnottr]

67. what in the hell was bad about that?

I thought it was one of the most inspirational things I've heard in awhile.

EDIT: What the hell is so bad about a politician displaying some passion and emotion from time to time? Have we become so cold and bloodless that this isn't acceptable? People regularly scream their hearts out for insignificant things like professional sports and concerts, why isn't it acceptable to display the same level of passion for the future of the country itself?

[janx]

72. It was unacceptable because it was contagious!

:hi:

[fnottr]

88. Yup

Can't have us uppity Libruls getting all riled up now, can we?

:D

[Eloriel]

85. Exactly

I was already a Dean supporter by then, but when I heard that, I nearly burst into tears of relief: AT LAST someone is saying what I've been saying: I want my country back!!

I think Rove and other GOP operatives seriously underestimate the breadth and depth and passion of the opposition they've been unleashing and "uniting" all this while. One of these days some of those tricks are going to backfire on them and my, oh, my won't they be surprised?

[KissMeKate]

77. everytime I hear this I just want to throw money at this guy!

I cant imagine Rove thinks this is a negative for Dean.

[fishwax]

83. That is awesome!

Thanks for sharing it.

[bluestateguy]

22. So what. I saw that months ago

And I agreed every bit with everything he said.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

26. Memo to Turd Blossom:

"Well, isn't that special" done in my best Church Lady voice.

Guess what asshole, 59 million Americans agree with the good doctor per the November 2, 2004 results.

GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

[applegrove]

28. What Muslim wants to hear a Presbyterian Minister preach?

What Muslim wants to hear a Presbyterian Minister preach?

What Fundamentalist wants to hear a Buddhist chant?

Nobody wants to have to put up with anybody else’s organized religion.

This is old news!! Tis why thousands of folk picked up off of England and head to the shores of some unknown place and set up "colonies". They couldn't stand being forced to follow the norms of another religion.

Old as the hills Dean's sentiments.

But I guess the Fundamentalist right wing needed a bone from Rove this week seeing as how Bush said he would support Christian issues and changes to the Constitution - not that he would do anything about it. And Rove knows as good as anyone - that you have to feed the animals every so often or they get pernickety. Especially when they are going through the bewilderment phase of having been exploited and they are about to put it all together (that they are chumps).

[napi21]

29. Don't worry about the Dean scream. Worry about Rove!

I doubt the scream will matter. Even the media has appologized for mistating what happened there. Howard has done a great job of making that out to be a fun time.

I'm much more concerned about Rove's unknown strategies. I'm sure he has many, and we don't know what they are! He's a very devious man and will do anything to destroy his enemy!

[killbotfactory]

30. That will endeer him to millions

You think the majority of poeple like Falwell and Robertson telling us we were attacked on 9/11 bacause god was mad with all our abortin' and buttsexin'? Or that inky winky and spongebob are gay? I don't.

[applegrove]

37. inky winky & spongebob are "gay" because they have to scapegoat

Inky Winky & Spongebob are "gay" because they have to scapegoat to keep their 'Christian' troops motivated and actively 'Christian' and xenophobic. Race doesn't cut it anymore. And these cartoon characters cannot sue. For sure the next inventors of cartoon characters may balk and creating characters that are anything but 'paternal' looking and acting.

So the bullies go after the weak - because they wouldn't dare take on a human being and "out" them. A human could fight back and sue. Just like Iraq. Iraq was weak. Iraq was a 'cakewalk'. You do not see these 'hawks' going after 'hard' targets like human rights abusers in China or Russia or Korea.

Nope - you always go after someone who is not strong but who will serve the purpose of motivating your base and keeping them 'attuned to baser instincts' and in line.

I think the original Christians like Jesus and Peter and all the rest were incredibly strong and brave. And they walked into the hardest places. They just up and walked into really tight situations and they did it every day. And there was nothing easy about it. And many devout (of many religions) do the same thing today. I think of them when I think of Christians. I don't know who these others think they are - but they do not look devout to me!

[98geoduck]

32. Wait til the DNC reveals that tape of Bush licking Karl's bunghole.

[madfloridian]

33. "I don't want to listen to fundamentalist preachers anymore." Yeah!

I understand, Howard...I don't either. My church called me unpatriotic.....I don't want to listen to them anymore.

[Bouncy Ball]

35. Edit

Who cares what Rove thinks? LOL!

I love the audio link provided above.

[madfloridian]

36. Yes, he did.

I believe it was on C-Span...he got a huge ovation when he said it.
It was meant as referring to the Falwells and Robertson's of this country....and the Dobsons.

[Bouncy Ball]

40. Re-read my post.

[madfloridian]

41. Thanks, just did.

I loved that clip....I remember it well. Glad you liked it, too.

[PassingFair]

61. I characterize my Dean involvement in increments, like this:

When I heard him say that he had found an affordable way to provide all children in Vermont with health care, and that it was doable as a country;
I sat up and took notice.

When I heard him speak out against attacking Iraq when there was NO evidence of WMD;
I got out my wallet.

When I heard him say "I'm tired of fundamentalist preahers telling us what to do";
I hit the door, and I haven't stopped working for or speaking for Howard Dean ever since.

The best thing that could happen for America is that Sacramento Speech to be heard by ALL americans.

He's no prophet. He's just a guy with clear vision and a propensity for telling the truth.

[KissMeKate]

78. true- I heard about him, but this CA speech,online, made me a Deaniac.

His speech to the CA Dems was archived online- and I did a search on him when I saw the Newsweek article- I listened to this speech- and I knew he represented me.

[Eloriel]

86. Oh, I LOVE that

ROTFL. So true.

One of my OTHER favorite Why I'm a Deaniac stories was on the blog early on -- she said she was sitting reading a magazine while TV was on and she heard some guy being interviewed say, "Well, no, and that's because ...." and she looked up to find out who IS this guy who dares to say No? LOL.

[madfloridian]

38. That was no secret speech...that is still up at C-Span.

It was at the CA DNC, and they cheered him loudly. We cheered him here, as we had been called unpatriotic and treated snobbishly by our Southern Baptist church for opposing the Iraq war.

[Robert Oak]

39. they already r starting in the corporate media bias machine

played the scream on scarborough country...

someone please find a Rove tape, find something that characterizes
this clown for the sociopath he is.

[The Minus World]

43. Rove's Recycled Playbook

What a sad comment on the state of American politics. A man becomes impassioned about his beliefs, and his political opposition can edit him down to a soundbyte to make him look like a lunatic. I'd wager that many apolitical, non-voting Americans have detached themselves from the politics, as a result of the cynicism inherent in our political environment.

It's doubtful that anyone outside of the tight circle of frothing right-wingers - those looking for the perfect scandal to smear democrats with - truly cared about Howard Dean's first eruption. It's even less likely that the average American will raise an eyebrow at the second one.

I see only encouragement in this. We now know that Rove is not the omnipresent right-wing supergenius he has been advertised as being; his bag of tricks seems to be emptying, and he seems to be grasping at straws instead.

[Helga Scow Stern]

48. Yeah--like trying to humiliate the Hollywood stars with cheesy billboards

The only people who will think that is cool are a small smattering of people who march in lockstep with them.

[The Minus World]

49. The Harder They Try

to publicly resist America's burgeoning outrage, using smear-tactics and media manipulation to put a kind, populist face on the GOP; the more they push their base to the Right, the larger the divide will become between what is accepted as modern commmon-sense and the right-wing's fabricated version of reality.

We are beginning to see tears in that fabric, but I predict that the rifts will increase exponentially, both in size and frequency, in the near future.

As the right-wingers stumble upon their hubris and alienate more of their own, their ranks will thin, and our fight will grow easier. We should not underestimate the benefit of having shunted GOP insiders fighting right along-side us. David Brock and Richard Clarke come to mind.

[barb162]

44. Rove is brilliant...he takes political strategy to new heights

and I sure wish that bastard was a liberal. If he had been working for Kerry, Kerry would have won by a zillion votes.

[Eloriel]

87. No. A crooked win is no win at all -- it's a shame and a crime.

I'm surprised that there's anyone here at DU who would choose to win by dirty tricks. And saddened.

[Guaranteed]

45. Yeah, I've already heard it. Again, the crowd is SCREAMING.

And he's yelling.

SO THE FUCK WHAT?

[mahina]

46. I think the more they hype the scream and call him crazy,

the less people will think of them when they find out otherwise.

People are going to be pissed they were made fools of. Bet you a cup of coffee.

[Guaranteed]

47. They know he's not crazy.

They like him.

This seriously can not go on forever. Dean is going to BEAT them. He's too likable. He's too honest. He makes too much sense.

The Repukes won't be able to keep this up.

[Voltaire99]

50. I've always enjoyed Dean bashing the fundamentalist preachers.

Would that more Dems did, and that fewer cowered.

We aren't going to get anywhere by allowing the American Taliban to remake our society and institutions in the constipated image of their brutalizing, ignorant creed.

Stand up and fight them, or resign yourself to living like sheep!

[RadiDem]

51. Rove, who laid down in front of the wheels of Air Force One ?

yeah, he's sane ! LOL

[barb162]

52. I wish Rove was on the Democrat side; Kerry would have won

[mahina]

68. maybe, but we don't have to cheat to win.

For us the struggle goes deeper...we care about people. All these poisonous snakes care about is winning and power and money. So I want to win without losing what we are struggling for- a free educated nation that is prosperous , where the old and weak are not tossed on the curb.

[JNelson6563]

53. Ah, smell the fear!

Oh I love it! The rats are fearful. They should be. ;-)

Julie

[IronLionZion]

69. fear is a stinky cologne

and Rove reeks of it.

[KissMeKate]

79. I love the smell of fear in the morning.

:)

[Larkspur]

54. And it was that speech that got Dean heading up in the polls

and heading upwards in the fundraising.

Yeah, go ahead Rove, play that speech again. It'll make my day.

[Larkspur]

55. Rove only has a tape of that segment of the speech? I have the DVD on the

whole March 15, 2005 Sacremento speech.

Karl, you are behind the times. Oh, that's right, you are in the Party of the Past.

[fasttense]

57. Maybe Dean will scream some more and Rove will have a full library.

Who the hell cares. Dean is a fighter, he inspires me and a lot of others and that is what Rove is afraid of. Rove can say all the nasty things he wants to about Dean, it wont matter. Rove can't fire him, can't vote for him and can't affect his position in the Democratic Party. Dean is great because Rove only personally attacks those he thinks might succeed. A good sign for the Dems.

[Massachusetts]

58. Karl Rove = Oink, Oink!

Rove is nothing more than a butt sniffing milque toast who was picked on as a kid!


edit for spelling

[AzDar]

62. The "Dean scream" made me respect him all the more. FUCK KKKarl

he's obviously afraid, now that someone's coming along to beat him down!!!!

[JaneQPublic]

63. And we have another tape of Chimpy picking his nose. What's his point? nt

[janx]

66. Yeah, and as soon as it's clear Dean's going to head the Dem

party, Chimpy gives Turdblossom a more powerful role in the White House.

Damn but this is going to be fun! :hi:

[Pacifist Patriot]

71. We need more Democrats to be engaging in a fair bit of

Dean screaming themselves. If that's what Rove has against Dean then I agree. "Bring it on" indeed!

Let's break this offensive scream down, shall we?

I want my country back! -- Me too dammit.

We want our country back! -- I know a lot of people who feel that way.

I'm tired of being divided! -- It's wearing thin.

I dont' want to listen to the fundamentalist preachers anymore! -- Amen!

Well so far I haven't heard anything to turn me off.

[KissMeKate]

73. I dont want to listen to the fundamentalist preachers anymore either.

this was what they were going to rely on if Dean had won the De4m noimination- and they would have failed then as they will now.

[Logansquare]

76. That's exactly what he said in a speech I heard in 2003

I loved it!

[okieinpain]

80. cool, then we should start playing some of bush's mis-speaks