Might as well get used to it....Hillary will be our next president!

[mtnsnake]

...and as much as I like Wesley Clark, I for one will be happy when Hillary gets sworn in 4 years from now.

Hey, if the spoiled brat punk son of a horrible ex-president can become president of this country, I have no doubt in my mind that a brilliant First Lady of a former GREAT president will do the same....and unlike the Chimp, Hillary will make an excellent president. She's arguably as good or better politician than her husband, and she's the only high-profile Democrat I know of who's handled the right wing hate media with some grit. It's no small wonder that Rush and Co. are so fearful of her. She had Limbaugh in tears on TV a few years ago when she confronted him over what he had said about Chelsea. She also put the fat fuck and his friends in his place when they were getting all over Bill. Remember what she said?..."Right wing conpiracy"...and she said it in a way that made people take notice.

It's in the cards. For those of you who can't stand the thought of a Democratic candidate who has a few issues leaning toward the center, well I can't stand the thought of us losing again with some candidate who lets the right wing push them around. Hillary will not let that happen.

So get ready to find a nice place in your front yards for your "Hillary in '08" signs!

[davidinalameda]

1. another reason to vote Green

to make sure that she doesn't get elected

I for one am refusing to vote for or support any candidate that doesn't support my issues

running as Repuke lite doesn't win--see Kerry 2004 and Gore 2000

[Warpy]

9. No kidding, she's DLC

which means pro corporate, antilabor, pro globalist, antiunion, and hostile to the needs of working people. She's focused on the DLC aims of squabbling over the yuppie vote while whoring for corporate cash.

Get it through your heads, folks, the DLC has had its day, has lost all three branches of government, and is on its way out as party power broker.

DLC pols can try to get elected wherever they can, if they can. However, the party as a whole needs to reject them if it wants to win elections, and that means running another one for top office with all the baggage those DLC hack campaign managers can bring with them.

[progressiveandproud]

93. The sooner the DLC shrivels away, the better.

I remember seeing Bruce Reed (is that the name?), head of the so-called Democratic Leadership Council, being interviewed on TV. This was a year or two ago. And he struck me as... well, as Wormtounge in flesh, for those of you familiar with The Lord of the Rings. Just the definition of mealy-mouthed.

Now, after learning a little more about the DLC, almost every time I hear or read the word "centrism", I cringe and think "corporate" (or I think, "you can't move to the 'center' if the right is moving to the right"). All too often, that's what "centrism" is: a euphemism for being in the pocket of multi-national corporations.

[Rosco T.]

52. nose/face, meet spite. n/m

[Walt Starr]

70. Yup, if faced with a choice of Hillary, any Republican, or a third party

the only option is the third party.

[John_H]

72. LOL!

"I for one am refusing to vote for or support any candidate that doesn't support my issues."

The reason one-percenters are one-percenters right there in black and white.

[Melynn]

101. I don't want to but I will go Green

if Hillary is the Democratic nominee in 2008. With all of her right wing rhetoric of late, I just don't trust her. I know she has her fans and I apologize to them but just the way I feel.

[TexasSissy]

2. Won't happen. I'd vote for her, but.....

we'll still be in a war in '08, in some fashion, somewhere. The U.S. will not select a woman President for the first time, while it's at war.

Wish it weren't so. But 'tis true.

But, hey...I'd vote for her. If she runs. (and I don't think she will)

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

98. Esp. since Hillary herself is in part responsible for being in that war

"The U.S. will not select a woman President for the first time, while it's at war. "

Hillary has only herself to blame for that. She had the opportunity to take a stand and speak out against the lunacy of Iraq a couple years ago, and instead she slavishly supported the madness of King George (and Cheney and Rumsfeld) by trying to even out-hawk them on how badly we needed to go into Iraq. For this reason among others she's done herself in as a viable candidate.

[no name no slogan]

3. That's HILLARY-OUS!!!! (n/t)

[Richard Steele]

63. I'll 2nd that...what color koolaid was this OP smoking?

[On the Road]

4. I Don't Think Hillary Clinton is Going to be the Nominee

Front-runners don't have all that good a record, especially when they're right-of-center and are controversial figures. Plus, I don't think she'd win a national election.

[mtnsnake]

12. Oh I think she will. Even in 2004, they were so close to drafting her

in our party to be the candidate to beat Bush.

The only thing I'm wondering about is who she'll pick to be her VP.

[NYCGirl]

26. Define "they". NT

[mtnsnake]

29. The Democratic Party

or whoever it is that was talking about drafting her. All I remember hearing was how they wanted to draft her, after seeing a field of candidates that wasn't too hopeful.

[leyton]

33. Actually, that was the right-wingers talking.

"They" (we) were happy with our field of candidates. Any field that includes Kerry, Edwards, and Clark is a strong one. The Republicans were the only ones who ever suggested that anyone would be drafting Hillary.

[mtnsnake]

34. That's simply not the case n/t

[leyton]

35. It simply is the case. n/t

[Stand and Fight]

71. No, THAT is exactly the case.

Hillary runs in 2008 and manages to win the nomination somehow then we WILL LOSE again -- I would be willing to wager you good money on that one.

[bunny planet]

66. She needs Clark to be her VP.

[googly]

45. Hillary is left of center IMO, just right place to be.

[AntiCoup2K4]

85. Left of WHAT center??

She might be slightly left of Biden, Bayh, or Lieberman, but those guys are hardcore neocons.

[progressiveandproud]

94. I agree.

The "center" seems to become more and more meaningless as time goes by.

Those Democrats who label themselves centrists tend to be more beholden to the interests of multi-national corporations and more likely to bash other Democrats for being "out of touch with mainstream American values" or some shit like that. At least, I've noticed this about Evan Bayh and Joe Lieberman.

Well, the elephant in the room is who has been defining "mainstream" for the last few decades.

[InvisibleTouch]

5. I wouldn't be opposed.

Let's see what happens in the next few years.

[TheFarseer]

6. Not going to happen

I think almost anyone the repubs are likely to put up would beat her. Alot of people really really don't like her and I'm not exactly sure why.

[davidinalameda]

7. let's see

opportunist

carpet bagger

power hungry

those are the first 3 that come to mind

[TheFarseer]

13. I didn't want to say it but

Yeah, I think so too. add disingenuous and you've got it. I don't think that's why repubs and most independents dislike her - or is it? The whole Monica thing, and the whole Bill is her husband thing and the she's a woman and she should get back in the damn kitchen thing might have more to do with it for them.

on a side not - It's funny, minus the sex thing, I personally have absolutely no idea how you could not like Bill.

[mtnsnake]

10. Of course a lot of people don't like her, especially the repukes who

are scared to death she'll run....and win.

[zann725]

92. I won't vote for her. I'd like a Female President..but NOT Hillary...no

Don't trust her at all. Robot-like....cold...insincere.

[NYCGirl]

8. Can't we find someone who isn't related to a former president?

It's SOOO REPUBLICAN!
:thumbsdown:

[fliesincircles]

15. Ain't it the truth.

Let's say Hillary wins. Then win's reelection. That would result in ONLY two families running the US for almost 3 DECADES.

Monarchy by choice. WTF?

[bunkerbuster1]

20. And lessee, in 2016, Chelsea, born in 1980...

will be 36 and able to run.

[fliesincircles]

27. No, it wouldn't be Chelsea's turn

It would be the * clans' turn.
There could even be TV spots with the two patriarchs(Bill and H.W) both sitting side by side. Naw, that would never happen.

[Zensea]

77. Bingo - No Monarchies

that's my standard response to the suggestion of Hillary Clinton.
I don't want to see it go Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton ad nauseum ad infinitum.

[BattyDem]

11. The next Prez won't be a Dem unless ..

we get the machines fixed. Let's concentrate on getting that done - then I'll worry about picking a candidate. In any case, nothing is a done deal. A lot can happen in four years.

[progressiveandproud]

95. You're not the only one wondering about those machines.

We cannot take any political victory for granted if we cannot fully trust the security of our voting systems. And since no one has been able to prove to me that I can trust the voting systems across America, I am trying my best to take nothing for granted.

[LittleClarkie]

14. What's this all about

I'm not liking this "get used to it, it's inevitable" crap.

It's so damn far away. I'm not resigned to anything. And I'm not shorting what is shaping up to be an interesting primary season already.

We are still a democracy after all... so far... I think.

And I'm not liking the way the RW is pushing for this too. I don't find it terribly conceivable myself.

[mtnsnake]

18. It's about the first woman president, and it aint gonna be Condi Rice

which is who the Repukes are grooming for the future. I wouldn't be at all surprised if their plan is to run Rice in 2012. It'll never happen as long as we take back the White House in '08, and Hillary stands a great chance at doing it.

[LittleClarkie]

25. Hillary stands a lousy chance at doing it

(bushI) No sir, not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent. (/bushI)

[OneBlueSky]

16. no chance in hell . . .

there are very few certainties in life, but this is one of them . . . there's no way Hillary Clinton will be elected president, not in 2008, not ever . . . take it to the bank . . .

[mtnsnake]

19. Them's betting words!

I hereby challenge you to a bet, Sky. How about we wager a cup of coffee on it :)

[HughBeaumont]

36. I'll bet 100 bucks and I'll win.

Name ONE red state Hillary would turn. Seriously, name one. This ought to be good. Certainly not Ohio or Florida. I'd go so far to say she'd be in danger of turning Wisconsin and PA.

Hillary is too polarizing, too DLC, and not even liked by a great deal of Dems. The overidealism for some on this board when it comes to Hillary is getting downright annoying, damn it.

[mtnsnake]

38. What do I look like, the amazing Kreskin?

It's impossible right now to say exactly which ones she'd turn, but there is no reason to think she wouldn't turn several, unless you've already given up the ship or something.

To say so matter of factly that she wouldn't turn one single red state is RIDICULOUS, period.

[HughBeaumont]

41. I was never ON her ship to begin with.

Oh my God, she wouldn't turn a single red state blue. Not ONE. Guaranteed. You can take that to the bank. The presidency will remain a white male's club for a long time to come. A majority of the people in the heavily-rural states look at any senator from the north (and especially one named Clinton after the name got dragged through the slime all those years) as a repellent elitist whose stands for "eevil causes" like GAY RAGHTS!! ABOWRSHUN!! TAXES!! PACIFISM!! Rove will beat this into their heads until the cows come home.

And you think voter fraud was in overdrive the past four years, what do you think these vermin are going to pull at the thought of a (shudder) CLINTON taking office again?

Why are you over-estimating here?

[Clark2008]

90. No it's not. She won't turn one red state

Not even Akansas.

[OneBlueSky]

96. you got it! . . . gournet coffee, no less . . . :) n/t

.

[HootieMcBoob]

17. The only people who keep pushing for this are conservatives.

Hillary riles up their base because they've spent over a decade demonizing her. I doubt very much she'll run for President but I know we'll keep hearing about it because all of the right-wing talking heads will continue to shove the idea down our throats.

[bunkerbuster1]

22. Well of course!

Honestly, I'm not sure how much of the Hillary talk in here is Freepin', and how much is genuine. I do know that the AM hate-radio set talk about HRC-the-2008-Dem-candidate like it's a foregone conclusion, done deal kinda thing.

They assume that we're as entralled by the Clintons as they are of things Boosch.

[GOPBasher]

21. I like her, but I don't think she can win. I want Clark or Richardson. nt

[Emboldened Chimp]

23. If she gets the nom, she'd be wise to pick Clark as her running mate

imo

[mtnsnake]

24. I couldn't agree more

Strategically, that could be a sure winner of a ticket.

[Dems4HowardDean]

67. I agree Hillary/Clark is our best chance of beating the

republicans. My choice would be Dean/Boxer.....

[Dems4HowardDean]

103. Of course things can change in 3 years. After actually

listening to Dean for several years as chairman of the DNC many may see he is the logical choice for President in 2008.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. Why do you say that?

She hasn't publically made an announcement and it's not even past the primaries. Anything can happen from here on out. That's like us saying Condi is going to run for President for the republican side. Until she publically makes an announcement why spectulate? :shrug:

[sendero]

30. Might as well get used to it..

... if she manages to get nominated we'll be in for 4 more years of Repug rule.

She has so many negatives she looks like an economy-sized pack of batteries. The hard right loathes her, the left loathes her, and the middle don't like her.

Anyone who doesn't like Bill won't vote for her, anyone who thinks having a woman run the country won't vote for her.

It's a lose, lose, lose, lose situation. I know the media is working overtime already to make her the shoo-in nomination, the right would like nothing more than to get to use the vast amounts of opposition research they have on her.

Me, I'd like to get a Dem in the white house, so I'll be doing what I can to get one who could actually win nominated.

[mtnsnake]

32. I think you've been listening to the right wing too long

Nothing you posted is close to being true. In my area of NY which is more Repug than Democrat, the great majority of people fell in love with her and voted for her. These included many people who did not like Bill.

As far as what the right wing media is saying about her....do you really think they'd like seeing her run? No way. They say the things they do about her because they're scared shitless of her. They WANT us to think Hillary can't win.

[HughBeaumont]

39. Actually, everything in that post was right on the money.

The reason repukes are so enthusiastic towards Hillary is not because they fear her, but they KNOW it'd be like a lamb to the slaughter. Rove, Ailes, GE and the rest of those fatass pit vipers are circling this one like vultures . . . they've waited a DECADE for this opportunity to destroy the name that stomped a mudhole in their asses for eight years. Believe me, Faux is pushing this to the moon for a reason. You seem to be the only one that doesn't see it.

[mtnsnake]

40. If I'm the only one who doesn't see it

then I suppose that all those people who currently have her way way ahead of any other candidate for '08, including Kerry, were just a mirage. LOL!

Actually, it's some of the people around here who don't get it when it comes to her. When it comes to Hillary, it seems to me like there's lots of narrow mindedness, with little to back up any of these supposed claims about her.

[sendero]

51. You said it all yourself..

... in NY. NY is not representative of the country, not even close.

[ClassWarrior]

31. Please show some respect. Senator Clinton.

NGU.

[lojasmo]

37. Nope. She may be the candidate, but....

She'll be about as "electable" as kerry was....less, in fact.

[borg5575]

42. What makes you so sure?

Can you be sure that the rethugs won't steal that election too? I remember how sure many of us were that Kerry would be the next president. But as we know it didn't happen. Maybe that scenario will play out again in 2008.

[mtnsnake]

43. As sure as the sun rises in the east and the bear shits in the woods

Hillary will be president 4 years from now.

Just you wait and see ;)

[googly]

44. The 2008 nomination if for Hillary's to lose, I will take Hillary anytime

over Gen Clark, who will make a fine SOD.

[moggie12]

46. She would be lucky to win 1 state

Five reasons Hillary would get 35% of less in the general election:


1) You think the GOP base was mobilized this past year??? Just run Hillary and we'll see what "mobilized" really means. The GOP will break all fund-raising records and the evangelicals and RW'ers will be crawling from their hospital beds to vote against her. Why, oh why, would we run someone with a 40% negative rating??!!!

2) Hillary set the universal health care effort back 30 years with that incredibly bureaucratic plan she and her policy wonks divised. All we'll see on TV throughout the campaign is shots of that Rube Goldberg-like chart they came up with.

3) She's not a Governor!! What has she ever managed or accomplished??? Other than #2, above, which was a disaster.

4) Remember Hillary's slap at stay-at-home moms? I foresee many GOP commercials with a cookie-baking mom who talks about how Hillary is too liberal for America.

5) The left doesn't like her because she's been tacking as hard as can to the right. The centrists don't like her because they know we're going to get creamed down South and in the Midwest with her. Who the heck wants her to run??


Didn't we learn with poor Kerry? Running Senators is murder. They can't point to concrete things they've done or a record of managing something. I like Hillary, but we will be committing electoral suicide if we choose her as our Presidential candidate.

[mtnsnake]

47. Yikes!!

Sounds to me like you're not too high on her, eh, or did I accidentally misinterpret you? :evilgrin:

[moggie12]

48. I like her & think she's great, but really think she'd get creamed

You have no idea of the visceral reaction just the mention of her name causes!! I used to live down South -- holy cow, they just hate her and her hubby!! It's a little better in upstate NY, where I live now, but not much.... (she ran against a real nerd in '02 and even then only got about 56% of the vote -- and this is a very blue state...)

I wouldn't mind trying to overcome that hurdle if she had a record to run on. But seriously, other than that she's a classy person and a good speaker, what else can we point to??? I'd much prefer a Governor.........

[Placebo]

49. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this truth coming to pass.

:loveya: Hillary '08 :yourock:

[Kahuna]

86. The "truth." It's way too early to say it's the truth. It won't be the

"truth" unless it actually happens. It hasn't happened yet.

[MrSlayer]

50. In what alternate reality is this?

Because it sure as hell isn't happening in this one. This is a sure loser and we must stop giving credence to it.

[Disturbed]

54. Who the heck wants her to run?

The Rethugs, Fascists, fundies, the paleo-Conservs, that's who.

[MrSlayer]

55. Exactly, it's a sure loser.

It's a foolish proposition.

[mtnsnake]

57. No. Sure losers would be candidates like Kerry or Lieberman

Hillary is a winner and she projects it each time I hear her speak.

[MrSlayer]

61. Well no one is asking for them either.

Hillary would be destroyed. Let's face it, even a lot of Dems don't like her and a significant portion wouldn't vote for any woman. It's just the way it is. Hillary would be a disaster.

[MsTryska]

53. why would hilary be our next president?

Do us Dems want her?


the only people i ever hear saying Hilary 08 are republicans.


They want her to run. And i've bene hearign the news pick up the meme. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!!


it's another one of those republican fantasies that beome freakin reality because we don't see it for what it is.

[mtnsnake]

56. There is nothing to back up your statements. In fact, to the contrary

Democrats who've been polled recently have picked Hillary as the candidate they'd most likely support in 2008. She got 40% of the polled Democrats, compared to 25% for Kerry and 17% for Edwards. These were Democrats or Democrat leaners who were polled, not Repugs.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2005-02-07-poll-results.htm#2008

It's hard to believe how many people around here are SOOOOO afraid of what Rush and Co think about Hillary. They are AFRAID of her running. If they weren't, they wouldn't pay her so much attention.

[leyton]

58. Those polls mean little.

Joe Lieberman polled extremely well throughout 2003 among Democrats because of name recognition. Yet he never finished above fifth place in a single primary. That shows you the value of the polls you cite.

It's hard to believe how hard you're pushing the fact that Hillary will be the nominee. You'll notice that Clark supporters, Dean supporters, Edwards supporters, Gore supporters, Kerry supporters - they all talk about how their candidate would be the best nominee, not about how it's inevitable that they will be nominated. You're not stating Senator Clinton's qualifications, you're not saying why she'd be a good president, you're only trying to tell us what we think, as if you're qualified to say so.

[rniel]

62. It would be interesting to see

What kind of crap the right wing and mainstream press will throw at her. I'll bet they've got truckloads of it waiting in warehouses right now.

[blondeatlast]

59. PLEASE, CAN WE HOLD THE PRIMARIES FIRST, DU?

Better yet, the Congressional elections?

:eyes:

[Laurab]

91. Even more importantly - can we get the election fraud fixed first?

If we don't no democrat has a chance in hell of winning.

While I agree the speculation at this early date is pretty foolish, I don't think much would change my opinion that it's not gonna be Hillary, no matter what. She's my senator, I have nothing against her, but I don't really see why anyone sees her as presidential material. She makes a decent senator.

[rniel]

60. only the republicans seem to think that

She will run for president. I haven't heard any credible evidence that she wants to run. Has she said she will?

Anyone heard ?

[blondeatlast]

68. Think she's more interested in Governor.

Hey, if the Republicans want to push her for President, I won't stand in their way.

I'd love to see them expend their energies on her.

[mtnsnake]

81. Nah, it's not just the Repukes who think that. They're just afraid

that she'll run and they're trying to make like they want her to. It's the age old reverse psychology thing. It's all about perception, and their big guns are trying to give the perception that they'd have a field day with her, when deep inside they know they'd be in for a battle.

The only people they've got fooled are some of us Democrats who are falling for all the nonsense about her that makes you think she can't win. Some people here need to stop being pushed around by right wing media. When it comes to Hillary, they're successfully brainwashing you.

BTW, she hasn't denied running for president when she's been asked, so what's that tell you? Also, it's been said more than once how she's studying all the polls and feeling out all the feedback to see what the political future holds for her as far as a presidential run. If she thinks she has a good chance, she'll be throwing her hat into the ring.

[Padraig18]

64. When pigs fly!

:eyes:

[QC]

65. Hillary would lose at least 40 states. n/t

[TNMOM]

69. I'd vote for her, but I don't think she can win

She's motivates the right wing.

[Digit]

73. The RW is proposing her since they know she cannot win.

Being a woman, I hate to say this, but BECAUSE she is a woman, she will not win.
Not in this country, not at this time.
You will need to see a woman VP first, to get the people used to it.
Unfortunately, although I am open to non-mainstream people (being the dem that I am) I realize the prejudices others have.
Obama also seemed very talented, but I fear the time is not ripe for him. We will also have to go with a VP position to get the populace ready.
We have to go white male yet again to get rid of these neocons.
We don't need to deal with reticent predjudices in addition to overcoming this cabal.
Hopefully in the future, the populace will become more enlightened.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. I Hate These "Eat Your Porridge" Threads

Anybody Else?

[mtnsnake]

79. Brilliant

Thanks for the contribution :eyes:

[bush_is_wacko]

75. No freaking way! MOST of the Dem's I know won't vote for her!

Not as president OR VP! She is not as well liked as you would like to believe. She can't win. I don't think she can EVER win a bid for the WH! don't get me wrong, I like a lot of what she does, but NOT as president. I liked her husband and even voted for him twice, but he is a VERY flawed man and I'm not sure if he was ever able to be up for office again if I could vote for him over someone else. The Clinton's are out of the White House permanently, IMO!

[Kahuna]

76. My take: Anything is possible. If voters are burned out with pubs

in four years, Hillary could win. Any moderate or moderate liberal can win.

Maybe Howard Dean is the best choice for DNC chair. He certainly won't be shy to point out the deceptions and dishonestly of the repukes.

Our job for the next four years is to clear the path for our eventual nominee. We must continue to recruit and educate voters. We WERE successful in '04. We did our jobs and we did it well. We have absolutely no reason to reproach ourselves. We will do even better in '08.

Think about it. Bush even with all of his dirty tricks only won by one state. Winning IS doable. We just need to be honest with ourselves as 2008 approaches. We must be honest about what the pressing issues are at that time and choose wisely. Nobody is out at this point. I support ALL serious contenders. May the best person win.

[mtnsnake]

83. You are absoulutely right

and I appreciate your optimism. Your post is refreshing!

[Kahuna]

84. Thank you...

:hug:

[Spirochete]

78. Not gonna happen

Hopefully, we're done nominating senators for a while, since they usually seem to lose.

[martymar64]

80. Sorry, not gonna happen

As everyone else is saying, she is way too polarizing a figure to field an effective campaign. If you want someone with name recognition and the bona fides of the son of a martyr, might I suggest Robert F Kennedy Jr.
He has been working on behalf of the environment and has been out speaking to the masses. Watch for his star to rise.

[mtnsnake]

82. I always see the "polarizing" label attached to her around here, yet

I rarely see anyone explain why she's so polarizing. Frankly, I don't think she's anymore polarizing than anyone else. She's just an outspoken brilliant politician, and to some people that's polarizing I guess, especially if it's a woman. Hillary has it together. Hey, she's hot, too.....well in a cougar kind of way ;)

[Kazak]

87. All that and a quarter'll...

get you a cup of coffee.

[DiscoStew]

88. too funny...

over three years from now and it's a foregone conclusion?? yeah, right.. how 'bout we just let it play out first, k?

[wisteria]

89. Nope!

I admire her greatly, but our country isn't ready to accept a woman president just yet.The one time we put a woman on a presidential ticket, as a vice presidential candidate we lost. A lot of sexist issues were raised and her placement on the ticket was viewed as amusing to some people. Unfortunately, she would keep red states red and some blues ones could possibly go red.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

99. Let's consider Barbara Boxer

I'm not so sure that the American people would reject a woman presidential candidate outright-- it's just that they'd specifically reject Hillary. Her negatives are off the charts, and frankly, considering her inadvisable support for the Iraq war (disaster), support for that foolishly-assembled health care plan in the 1990's (disaster), and support for that awful bankruptcy bill that kowtows to corporations and triples the burden on unfortunate individuals (utter and absolute disaster), her track record is looking terrible for independents trying to make up their minds.

OTOH Barbara Boxer has consistently won competitive elections and has a solid track record of accomplishment and support for causes that have turned out to be wise choices. She is liberal of course but not so radical that she'd automatically turn off large segments of the population, plus she probably wouldn't send the Repub fundraising machine into overdrive. Most importantly, Boxer is someone who sticks to her principles, someone that we can enormously respect.

[Bouncy Ball]

97. Don't make me laugh. I already have to pee.

[Pushed To The Left]

100. One good thing about that

would be how upset the right wing would be if she became the President! She might not be my first choice, but nobody would tick off the right wing more than she would. I think their heads would literally explode! I don't think she will be my choice in the primaries, but I will support her 110% if she gets the nomination. I want to defeat the right wing!

[Orsino]

102. Your next president...

...if there is another one, will be a Republican. Republicans own the voting machines, and dominate the media. Whether or not a Democratic candidate actually wins over more voters, we will be told otherwise.

Get rid of the voting machines, or get used to a permanent Republican monolith.