Here's what Randi Rhodes isn't saying on AAR re: 9/11 and NORAD>>

[JohnOneillsMemory]

(This is above ground in the mainstream media: Associated Press, Toronto Star, Aviation Weekly, BBC, etc. I suspect she is trying to establish the beginning of this story without going deeper before Americans can handle it...I hope. I've sent this to both her and Al Franken.)

NORAD/CIA 'LIVE FLY' EXERCISES SIMULATING MULTIPLE HIJACKED PLANES CRASHED INTO BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 9/11 WHILE THE 'REAL THING' WAS GOING ON CAUSED AIRCOVER TO BE UNAVAILABLE AND FAA SCREENS TO HAVE A MIX OF EXERCISE PLANES AND REAL PLANES.

WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THIS LAPSE IN AIR COVER AND COORDINATION?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2002/08/21/national1518EDT0686.DTL&type=printable
Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building

JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, August 21, 2002

(08-21) 15:08 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 inwhich an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.

Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National ReconnaissanceOffice had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet would crash into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport. Agency chiefs came up with the scenario to test employees'ability to respond to a disaster, said spokesman Art Haubold.

No actual plane was to be involved -- to simulate the damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building. "It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise.

"Terrorism was to play no role in the exercise, which had been planned for several months, he said. Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 -- theBoeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon -- took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground.

The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA. After the Sept. 11 attacks, most of the 3,000 people who work at agency headquarters were sent home, save for some essential personnel, Haubold said.

An announcement for an upcoming homeland security conference in Chicago first noted the exercise. In a promotion for speaker John Fulton, a CIA officer assigned as chief of NRO's strategic gaming division, the announcement says, "On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team ... were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day. "The conference is being run by the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute."
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National Law Enforcement and Security Institute

John Fulton - Intelligence Networking & Analysis
On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day.
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"Amalgam Virgo 01" NORAD exercise just prior to 9/11
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/149985_comment.php
Amalgam Virgo was a multiagency, bilateral air security exercise sponsored by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD)
http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/tab_01_report_of_ftx_amalgum_virgo_01_30_june_2001.pdf
The one in this pdf report happend just prior to 9/11 in the summer of 2001. They didn't know about the attack? So they say.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2002/n06042002_200206043.html NORAD-Sponsored Exercise Prepares For Worst-Case Scenarios
This year's exercise is a commercial airliner-hijacking scenario -- planned before the Sept. 11 attacks, Snyder said. Last year's exercise, he said, was a scenario involving a cruise missile launched by "a rogue (government) or somebody" from a barge off the East Coast. http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AVE_STE.html - more on Amalgam Virgo and other pre-9/11 war games (military, biowar, financial crash)


from AMALGAM VIRGO 01 military exercise, June 1 - 2, 2001 (unclassified report)
note the obvious implication of a potential terrorist attack against the US Capitol building in the graphic on the right side
(most of the report is about the military response to a cruise missile launched by terrorists into the US - the picture of the Capitol building is the only photo of a potential "target" in the report, although there are graphics simulating
an attack on Gulf of Mexico area target)





cover page of Amalgam Virgo report



page 34 of report
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http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/Contingency_Planning_Photos.html








Pentagon prepares for airline crash, October 2000 Contingency planning Pentagon MASCAL exercise simulates scenarios in preparing for emergencies
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/linkscopy/ContPlanP.html archive of article by Military District of Washington on emergency response planning for a plane hitting the Pentagon


A plane crash is simulated inside the cardboard courtyard of a surprisingly realistic-looking model Pentagon. This "tabletop" exercise was designed to help emergency relief personnel better prepare for disasters when they occur.




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"Northern Guardian" and "Northern Vigilance" (NORAD exercises on 911/2001)

Copyright 2001 Toronto Star Newspapers, Ltd.
Toronto Star
December 9, 2001 Sunday Ontario Edition
SECTION: BUSINESS; Pg. B05
LENGTH: 974 words
HEADLINE: The scene at NORAD on Sept. 11
BYLINE: Scott Simmie, Toronto Star
Original headline
"Northern Guardian": The Scene at NORAD on Sept. 11
Copyright 2001 Toronto Star Newspapers, Ltd.
Toronto Star
December 9, 2001
Sunday Ontario edition
by Scott Simmie HIGHLIGHT:
Playing Russian war games ... and then someone shouted to look at the monitor

BODY:
EARLY morning, Sept. 11. A lifetime before the attacks on New York and Washington.
Deep inside a mountain in Colorado and far beneath the granite of North Bay, members of the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) are at full "battle staff" levels for a major annual exercise that tests every facet of the organization.
Operation Northern Vigilance, planned months in advance, involves deploying fighter jets to locations in Alaska and northern Canada. Part of this exercise is pure simulation, but part is real world: NORAD is keeping a close eye on the Russians, who have dispatched long-range bombers to their own high north on a similar exercise.
Everything is going as planned when Capt. Mike Jellinek arrives for his 6 a.m. shift. The Canadian will be overseeing the crew staffing a crucial post inside the mountain - NORAD's command centre.
Whether it's a simulation or a real-world event, the role of the centre is to fuse every critical piece of information NORAD has into a concise and crystalline snapshot.
An hour into his shift, something unscripted happens. NORAD's Northeast Air Defence Sector (NEADS), based in Rome, N.Y., contacts the mountain.
The Federal Aviation Administration has evidence of a hijacking and is asking for NORAD support. This is not part of the exercise.
In a flash, Operation Northern Vigilance is called off. Any simulated information, what's known as an "inject," is purged from the screens.
Someone shouted to look at the monitor displaying CNN.
"At that point, we saw the World Trade Center, one of the towers, smoke coming out of it. And a minute later, we watched the live feed as the second aircraft swung around into the second tower," says Jellinek.

note: this assumes that NORAD wasn't contacted for about 40 minutes into the hijacking (second tower hit 9:03 am), which is not believable - see the timelines of the "stand down" for details at http://www.oilempire.us/standdown.html

He had one question for the people on the line from NEADS: "Was that the hijacked aircraft you were dealing with?" he asked.
Yes, it was, came the reply.
And then, Jellinek says, "it got really, really busy."
Maj.-Gen. Rick Findley, director of NORAD operations, had just completed the night shift. Usually, Findley would be across town at NORAD headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base. But because of the exercise and the time difference with Russia, he'd been working nights in the mountain. He was just preparing to leave when the disaster began unfolding.
It was a scenario unlike any NORAD had trained for.
"Lots of other reports were starting to come in," Findley recalls. "And now you're not too sure. If they're that clever to co-ordinate that kind of attack, what else is taking place across North America? So we were in a very high-tempo mode, trying to stay one step ahead.
"In the face of all this tragedy, people seemed to know what to do. Everyone seemed to understand that there was a crisis that was not well-defined yet."
Orders were quickly given to get more combat aircraft in the sky. Tankers for in-flight refuelling were at the ready.
Combat aircraft were dispatched to escort Air Force One in case the president was at risk. AWAC jets, designed to track air traffic and offer targeting information to combat aircraft, were deployed.
Because no one yet knew who was behind the attack - or what else might be en route - the giant blast doors designed to protect the Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center from a nuclear blast were sealed.
The massive steel slabs, weighing 25 tonnes each, had not been closed in a non-exercise event since the Cold War.
At the Peterson base, staff began covering windows with tape and paper to minimize flying glass should an explosion occur.
The base, NORAD's administrative headquarters, went to a security status known as Threatcon Delta. It's the highest state of alert and had not been in effect since the 1962 Cuban missile crisis.
"It was very eerie here," says Helen Booth, who co-ordinates services for the base's Canadian contingent.
"There was a real sense of crisis."
As that crisis unfolded, NORAD set up a secure line so it could brief key officials and act on their decisions.

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Exercise Jump-Starts Response to Attacks
by William B. Scott
Aviation Week and Space Technology
June 3, 2002
http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20020603/avi_stor.htm (link scrubbed but mirrored)
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2002/aviationweekspacetechnology060302.html (this one still works)

On-the-fly innovation, backed by excellent training, 'probably saved many lives' when terrorists struck the U.S. Sept. 11, 2001: "American 11 heavy, Boston Center. Your transponder appears to be inoperative. Please recycle. . . . American 11 heavy, how do you read Boston Center? Over.

Air National Guard F-15s from Otis ANGB, Mass., scrambled in response to the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 11. They flew supersonically to New York, then intercepted about 100 aircraft during the next 5.5 hr.

"Watch supervisor, I have a possible hijack of American 11 heavy. Recommend notifying Norad." At 8:40 a.m. EDT, Tech. Sgt. Jeremy W. Powell of North American Aerospace Defense Command's (Norad) Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) in Rome, N.Y., took the first call from Boston Center. He notified NEADS commander Col. Robert K. Marr, Jr., of a possible hijacked airliner, American Airlines Flight 11. "Part of the exercise?" the colonel wondered. No; this is a real-world event, he was told. Several days into a semiannual exercise known as Vigilant Guardian, NEADS was fully staffed, its key officers and enlisted supervisors already manning the operations center "battle cab."
war games before, during and after the morning in question?
>snip<
more...
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Commissioner Jamie Gorelick did ask Secretary Rumsfeld, while under oath, a very specific question of exactly when an order was given authorizing fighter pilots to shoot down aircraft on the morning of 9-11. Rumsfeld complicated and confused his answer by giving an account of how they had modified the rules of engagement. General Myers clarified by stating to the best of his recollection the shoot-down order was communicated directly to the pilots shortly after the president issued it.

GORELICK: May I ask one more question, Mr. Chairman?
We can't go into the content of the PDDs and the SEIBs here. And I can't even characterize them in order to ask you the next question that I would ask. So let me ask you this: Was it your understanding that the NORAD pilots who were circling over Washington D.C. that morning had indeed received a shoot-down order?
RUMSFELD: When I arrived in the command centre, one of the first things I heard, and I was with you, was that the order had been given and that the pilots -- correction, not the pilots necessarily, but the command had been given the instructions that their pilots could, in fact, use their weapons to shoot down a commercial airliners filled with our people in the event that the aircraft appeared to be behaving in a threatening way and an unresponsive way.
GORELICK: Now, you make a distinction there between the command and the pilots. Was it your understanding that the pilots had received that order?
RUMSFELD: I'm trying to get in time because...
MYERS: Well, I think -- my understanding, I've talked to General Eberhart, commander now of NORAD, and I think he's briefed the staff. And I think what he told the staff, what he told me, as I recall, was that the pilots did -- at the appropriate point when the authority to engage civilian airliners was given, that the pilots knew that fairly quickly. I mean, it went down through the chain of command.
RUMSFELD: It was on a threat conference call that it was given, and everybody heard it simultaneously. The question then would be -- the reason I am hesitant is because we went through two or three iterations of the rules of engagement. And in the end, we ended up delegating that authority to, at the lowest level, I believe, to two stars.
MYERS: Right.
RUMSFELD: And the pilot would then describe the situation to that level. To the extent that level had time, they would come up to General Eberhart. To the extent Eberhart had time, he would come up to me. And to the extent I had time, I might talk to the president, which in fact, I did do on several occasions during the remainder of the day with respect to international flights heading to this country that were squawking "hijack."GORELICK: I'm just trying to understand whether it is your understanding that the NORAD pilots themselves, who were circling over Washington, as you referred to in your statement, whether they knew that they had authority to shoot down a plane. And if you don't know, it's fine to say that. You mentioned them in your statement, and I would like to know if you know the answer.
RUMSFELD: I do not know what they thought. In fact, I haven't talked to any of the pilots that were up there. I certainly was immediately concerned that we did know what they thought they could do.
RUMSFELD: And we began the process quite quickly of making changes to the standing rules of engagement, Dick Myers and I did, and then issuing that. And we then went back and revisited that question several times in the remaining week or two while we were still at various stages of alert. And we have since done that in connection with several other events such as the Prague summit.
GORELICK: As you know, we were not intending to address the issues of the day of in this hearing. And it is the subject of a full additional hearing, and we may be back to you with these questions with a more precise time line for you to look at.
Thank you very much.
KEAN: Thank you.

(For complete transcript of Rumsfeld's testimony: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/COM403B.html )

At first glance this seems like semantics, but in the context of what was really happening that morning it may be quite significant. Whether or not a pilot has a shoot-down order directly communicated to him is of the highest significance when considering the fact that the pilot may not know if they are still involved in a war game exercise.

Officials at NORAD have stated when the hijackings first occurred they initially thought it was part of the Vigilant Guardian drills running that morning. Despite some confusion, once Flight 11 struck the World Trade Center at 8:45 am, everyone should have known it was not a test. However, this is still an assumption because we do not know what the fighter jocks in the air at the time did and did not know, we do not know the full extent of the orders they received and it has yet to be explained why scrambled fighter jets were unable to intercept even one of the 4 hijacked airliners.

Scrambling Fighter Jets
Standard operating procedure of both FAA & NORAD dictates that once an aircraft is off course and/or its transponder is not responding, within 10 minutes Air Force jets are scrambled to re-establish physical contact with the wayward plane.

Scrambling Air Force interceptors does not mean shooting down any aircraft. It simply means that an Air Force jet is dispatched to fly next to the off course aircraft, attempt to communicate with the its pilots, look inside the cockpit, see who is in control of the plane and report back to flight control what is actually happening. In the year prior to 9/11 this automatic procedure was triggered a total of 67 times (AP, 8/13/02). On the morning of 9/11, it was not successfully applied even once in the well over an hour-long period in which the four separate hijackings occurred. Why?
The most egregious case is that of Flight 77, reported to have struck the Pentagon. At 8:50 am there was a loss of contact with this plane that was now well off course and hurtling toward the nation’s capital, but it was not until 9:24 am that fighter jets were scrambled. That’s 34 minutes after flight control lost contact with the plane and well after 2 hijacked aircraft had already crashed into both World Trade Center towers.
Fighter Planes were dispatched extremely late to the World Trade Center as well, and only made it there after Flight 175 had crashed into WTC 2, too late to be effective. Those planes were then sent back to base, instead of being sent in pursuit of an aircraft, which by that time was widely known to have been well off course. Why?
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http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm
(CIA Running Simulation of Plane Crashing into Building)
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[AntiCoup2K4]

1. The obvious question: How the Hell would Osama have known.....

...about such an exercize?

The obvious answer: He wouldn't.

The official story (LIE) is dead and buried. Now what ever happenned to the story about the "Israeli film crew" (aka Mossad operatives)??

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Now I wonder

if it was Usama who did the attacks and plans or was he working with someone else? Also if you watch the movie "The Carlyle Group" you'll see them talking about Bush senior sitting with the BinLadin family watching the attacks happen! Like it was a movie or something! :scared:

[Old and In the Way]

12. And he spent the night of 9/10 in the White House.

While his son was in Florida. Another bizarre coincidence.


Did you know that George had a portable SAM battery with him at the resort he stayed at 9/10? Probably should have left that hom, the Pentagon sure could have used that protection.

[Old and In the Way]

11. Was it film or CCTV?

Cuz the President has said twice in public that he watched the 1st plane crash on TV. I believe him.

The "I thought it was one bad pilot" line is an odd phrase to throw in, considering how many warnings we now know he had. I wonder why he'd say that, unless he was building up a meme to explain his inaction while at Booker?

[JohnOneillsMemory]

17. Here's how: Saudi-financed P-Tech Software used by the FAA, Air Force etc.

http://clickit.go2net.com/search?pos=1&ppos=0&plnks=0&uplnks=10&cat=web&cid=239171&site=srch&area=srch.noncomm.google&shape=textlink&cp=info.dogpl&cluster-click=0&pd=0&coll=1&query=chertoff+p-tech+indira+singh&rawto=http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10320&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported
Here's how the new Homeland Security Czar Chertoff helped to stifle the P-tech investigation at the Boston FBI.

http://www.madcowprod.com/index45bb.html
>snip<

"Ptech’s customers included sensitive government and intelligence agencies such as the FBI and the Air Force. “But until last fall,” the GLOBE reported on Jan. 22, 2003, “few seemed aware an early financial backer of Ptech was Yasin al-Qadi, a Saudi businessman named as a suspected terrorist financier by the Bush Administration in October 2001.”

Reports of ineptitude at FBI headquarters have already surfaced in numerous places: in Phoenix, Chicago, and Minneapolis, for example. What makes reports of the Boston FBI’s bungled investigation into Ptech different is the unmistakably dark suggestion that this poor performance may have been intentional.

Why would the Boston FBI do such a thing? Maybe because they were shielding a money laundering vehicle, goes the allegation, that was created back in the 1980's as part of the CIA’s program of arming the Afghan mujahedeen.

Can you say BCCI? .

The tale begins almost right after the 9/11 attack, when, in October of 2001, handful of ex-Ptech employees alerted the FBI to evidence indicating that the firm had Saudi terror connections..."

>snip,





Indira Singh is another Sibel Edmunds in the jigsaw puzzle of US-sponsored terrorism, drug running, and money-laundering.

She stumbled into something nobody wanted to talk about.

[EVDebs]

39. Good work JOM ! I've posted to this line of thinking also after seeing

the new 'news' stories See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1585478&mesg_id=1585478

The 9-11 Families and Dems, I think, can unite to try to get the Independent Prosecutor's law reinstated. It expired June 30, 1999, unfortunately. Don't know how to hold Congress etc accountable unless a RICO is filed against our own government it seems !

[JohnOneillsMemory]

43. Connecting Enron, the Taliban, Saudi financing of bin Laden, John O'Neill.

(In a nutshell, the FBI was told to stay away from investigating the Saudi-financing of bin Laden and other terrorists because Enron was negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline to obtain Central Asia oil and gas. FBI John O'Neill found out about the pipeline deal in 1998 but was prevented from finding bin Laden.-JOM)

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0206/S00029.htm

What Congress Does Not Know about Enron and 9/11

May 31, 2002 For Immediate Release
By Atty. John J. Loftus*
http://www.john-loftus.com/

A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline. The document was obtained by the FBI but was not allowed to be shared with other agencies in order to protect Enron. Multiple sources confirm that American law enforcement agencies were deliberately kept in the dark and systematically prevented from connecting the dots before 9/11 in order to aid Enron’s secret and immoral Taliban negotiations.

The suppressed Al Qaida document tends to support recent claims of a cover-up made by several mid-level intelligence and law enforcement figures. Their ongoing terrorist investigations appear to have been hindered during the same sensitive time period while the Enron Corporation was still negotiating with the Taliban. An inadvertent result of the Taliban pipeline cover-up was that the Taliban’s friends in Al Qaida were able to complete their last eight months of preparations for 9/11 while the Enron secrecy block was still in force.

Although the latest order to block investigations allegedly resulted from Enron’s January 2002 appeal to Vice President Dick Cheney, it appears that there were at least three previous block orders, each building upon the other, stretching back for decades and involving both Republican and Democratic administrations.
yes2wind.co.nz - Greenpeace
The first block came in the 1970’s, as a result of Congressional reaction to domestic espionage against the anti-Vietnam war movement. In a case of blatant over-reaction, the FBI placed all houses of worship and religious charities off-limits for any surveillance whatsoever unless there was independent probable cause. This meant that all Mosques and other Muslim meeting places for terrorist groups were effectively off limits until after a crime had been committed. The block order was not lifted until last week by Atty. General Ashcroft.

The second block order, in force since the 1980’s, was against any investigation that would embarrass the Saudi Royal family. Originally, it was designed to conceal Saudi support for Muslim extremists fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan and Chechnya, but it went too far. Oliver North noted in his autobiography, that every time he tried to do something about terrorism links in the Middle East, he was told to stop because it might embarrass the Saudis. This block remains in place.

As the combined result of these two blocks, the Saudis were able to fund middle eastern terrorists in complete secrecy during the 1990’s through a network of Muslim charities in Virginia, Tampa and Florida. The Saudi funding network was targeted at the destruction of the State of Israel and the obstruction of the Palestinian peace process.

The Saudi funding conduit has now been exposed and shut down by means of a private lawsuit, Loftus vs. Sami Al Arian, which is currently pending in Hillsborough County, Florida. The lawsuit, filed on March 20, 2002, influenced the government into raiding the Saudi charities in Herndon, Virginia, a few hours later.

After filing the Al-Arian lawsuit, Attorney Loftus began to receive very detailed documents and information about a third block: a prohibition on investigations concerning the Taliban. In the early 1990’s, a consortium of American oil companies (lead by Unocal) had hired Enron to determine the profitability of building an oil and gas pipeline across Afghanistan so that America could have access to the Caspian Sea Basin, holding 1/8th of the worlds energy supplies.

There is no doubt that these secret negotiations existed, and that they were known to Al Qaida. Loftus recently received an FBI translation of a highly classified and encrypted Al Qaida document, circa 1997-1998, which was retrieved and decrypted from a computer laptop following the Embassy bombing in Africa. The document was written by Osama Bin Laden’s military commander, Mohammed Atef, under his nom de guerre, Abu Haf, and reveals extensive knowledge of the supposedly secret pipeline negotiations, and their potential economic worth to the Taliban, Pakistan and the U.S.

Former Afghanistan CIA agent Robert Baer has recently published a book charging that the cover-up of the 1990’s pipeline negotiations revealed extensive financial corruption inside the Clinton administration, and contributed to the lack of intelligence before 9/11. The Taliban negotiations temporarily collapsed in 1999 after Clinton reversed his NSC advisor’s policy, and ordered a missile strike against terrorists in Afghanistan.

However, in January 2001, Vice President Cheney allegedly reinstated the intelligence block and expanded it to effectively preclude any investigations whatsoever of Saudi-Taliban-Afghan oil connections. Former FBI counter-terrorism chief John O’Neil resigned from the FBI in disgust, stating that he was ordered not to investigate Saudi-Al Qaida connections because of the Enron pipeline deal. Loftus has confirmed that it was O’Neill who originally discovered the AL Qaida pipeline memo after the Embassy bombings in Africa.

O’Neill gave an overview of the Enron block to two French authors who will soon be publishing in the United States. The FBI is currently investigating Loftus’ links to John O’Neill, and is also refusing FBI agent Robert Wright permission to publish his own findings about the Enron block.

Loftus asserts that the Enron block, which remained in force from January 2001 until August 2001 when the pipeline deal collapsed, is the reason that none of FBI agent Rowley’s requests for investigations were ever approved. As numerous British and French authors have concluded, the information provided by European intelligence sources prior to 9/11 was so extensive, that it is no longer possible for either CIA or the FBI to assert a defense of incompetence.

It is time for Congress to face the truth: In order to give Enron one last desperate chance to complete the Taliban pipeline and save itself from bankruptcy, senior levels of US intelligence were ordered to keep their eyes shut and their subordinates ignorant.

The Enron cover-up confirms that 9/11 was not an intelligence failure or a law enforcement failure (at least not entirely). Instead, it was a foreign policy failure of the highest order. If Congress ever combines its Enron investigation with 9/11, Cheney’s whole house of cards will collapse.


- * About the author: As a former federal prosecutor, John Loftus had an insider’s knowledge of high level intelligence operations, including obstruction of Congressional investigations. Loftus resigned from the Justice Department in 1981 to expose how the intelligence community had recruited Nazi war criminals and then concealed the files from Congressional subpoena. After appearing on an Emmy Award winning segment of 60 Minutes, Loftus has spent the next two decades writing histories of intelligence cover-ups, and serving as an unpaid lawyer helping other whistleblowers inside US intelligence.

[evolvenow]

53. PTECH, 9/11,USA-SAUDI TERROR-PROMIS Connections to Cheney Control of 9/11

PTECH, 9/11,USA-SAUDI TERROR-PROMIS Connections to Cheney Control of 9/11 Attacks Confirmed

   Category: News & Opinion (General)  Topic: News & Current Events
   Synopsis: PROMIS & 9-11: Old BCCI CIA-Bin Mahfouz-Al Qadi -Bin Laden Network Was Never "Shut Down"
   Source: From the Wilderness via 911citizenswatch.org
   Published: January 21, 2005  Author: Jamey Hecht, Michael Kane, Michael C. Ruppert
   For Education and Discussion Only.  Not for Commercial Use.

PROMIS Connections to Cheney Control of 9/11 Attacks Confirmed

by Jamey Hecht

With research assistance by Michael Kane
and editorial comment by Michael C. Ruppert

FTW: You said at the 9/11 Citizens' Commission hearings, you mentioned - it's on page 139 of transcript - that Ptech was with Mitre Corporation in the basement of the FAA for 2 years prior to 9/11 and their specific job was to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force, in case of an emergency.

Indira Singh: Yes, I have a good diagram for that.

FTW: And that relationship had been going on mediated by Ptech for 2 years prior to 9/11. You elsewhere say that the Secret Service is among the government entities that had a contract with Ptech. Mike Ruppert's thesis in Crossing the Rubicon, as you know, is that the software that was running information between FAA & NORAD was superseded by a parallel, subsuming, version of itself that was being run by the Secret Service on state of the art parallel equipment in the PEOC with a nucleus of Secret Service personnel around Cheney. In your view, might it have been the case that Cheney was using Ptech to surveil the function of the people in FAA & NORAD who wanted to do their jobs on 9/11, and then intervene to turn off the legitimate response?

(much more)

kick!

[Al-CIAda]

65. Info-

Audio from the NYC "9/11 Omissions Hearings"

PART I- Vital Questions NOT ANSWERED, Comission comprimised, 'Failure' rewarded
http://www.septembereleventh.org/documents/911conPartI-26.rm

PART II-
http://www.septembereleventh.org/documents/911conPartII-33.rm

PART III-
http://www.septembereleventh.org/documents/911conPartIII-28.rm

PART IV-PTEC Indira Singh -Stock Monitoring and Terrorism Financing (JP MORGAN & CHASE)
http://www.septembereleventh.org/documents/911conPartIV-32.rm


To site-
http://www.911Truth.org/

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The Final Fraud
9/11 Commission closes its doors to the public;
Cover-Up Complete
By
Michael Kane


When asked who was responsible for coordinating the multiple war games running on the morning of September 11, 2001, General Ralph E Eberhart, the man in charge of NORAD on the morning in question replied,

"No Comment."

It is extremely suspect that Eberhart was unable to comment when we look at his sworn testimony just moments before this question was posed to him on June 17, 2004, in response to Commissioner Roemer's line of questioning.

Tim Roemer was the only Commissioner to pose a question about military exercises running on the morning of 9/11. He opened by making reference to an 8:38 FAA communication to NEADS regarding a hijacked aircraft headed to New York. The response from NEADS was, "Is this real world or an exercise?" FAA response was, "No, this is not an exercise, not a test."
Roemer then asked General Eberhart:

My question is, you were postured for an exercise against the former Soviet Union. Did that help or hurt? Did that help in terms of were more people prepared? Did you have more people ready? Were more fighters fueled with more fuel? Or did this hurt in terms of people thinking, "No, there's no possibility that this is real world; we're engaged in an exercise," and delay things?

Eberhart's response:

Sir, my belief is that it helped because of the manning, because of the focus, because the crews - they have to be airborne in 15 minutes and that morning, because of the exercise, they were airborne in six or eight minutes. And so I believe that focus helped.

If the war games helped "because of the focus," why would General Eberhart be reluctant to go on record regarding the issue of just who was the central person coordinating that focus? Was the General himself, the man who headed NORAD that very morning, in charge of coordinating the multiple war games on 9/11?

No Comment.

cont-
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KAN403A.html

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Furthermore, not one of the Commissioners brought up the 67 Air Force interceptions successfully executed during the year prior to 9/11 (AP, 8/13/02). After the hearing Commissioner John Thompson was asked if there had been any discussion by the commissioners regarding the speed at which the fighter jets responded on 9/11. He said that there had not been, but that there would be.

When?

Such concerns were addressed very briefly during the commission's first hearings focusing on NORAD, back in May 2003, but nothing of importance was explored at that time.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

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Pentagon "Phantom Flight"
One of the most shocking claims coming out of the final public hearing was what the Commission called the "phantom flight." This referred to the plane alleged to have struck the Pentagon. An FAA communication to NORAD stated it was Flight 11 - which had already struck WTC 1 - that was off-course and headed to Washington DC, not Flight 77. The report states it was "unable to identify the source of this mistaken FAA information."

At 8:54, Flight 77 began deviating from its flight plan, first with a slight turn toward the south. It then "disappeared completely" at 8:56, according to the 9/11 Commission staff report.

The report continues:

Shortly after 9:00, Indianapolis Center started notifying other agencies that American 77 was missing and had possibly crashed … At 9:09, they reported the loss of contact to the FAA regional center, which passed this information to FAA headquarters at 9:24 … Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56 a.m. But for eight minutes and thirteen seconds, between 8:56 a.m. and 9:05 a.m., this primary radar information on American 77 was not displayed to controllers at Indianapolis Center. The reasons are technical, arising from the way the software processed radar information, as well as from poor primary radar coverage where American 77 was flying.

In sum, Indianapolis Center never saw Flight 77 turn around… American 77 traveled undetected for 36 minutes on a course heading due east for Washington, DC.

Benedict Sliney, the FAA's National Operations Manager on 9/11 (it was his first day in that position) was questioned by Chairman Kean about the radar & transponder issues of Flight 77. Even after the plane's transponder signal had stopped, Sliney stated, "There are radars that would have seen the target regardless. Would they have known what to be looking for? I do not know."1

Orders were issued from the Mission Crew Commander at NEADS at 9:23:

"Okay … scramble Langley. Head them towards the Washington area."

The order to scramble was given to fighters out of Langley Air Force base in Virginia, leaving the fighters scrambled from Otis over New York. However, the Langley fighters were headed east, not north, because they followed a "generic" scramble order. This sent them over the ocean, out of local airspace, because the lead pilot and local FAA controller incorrectly assumed the flight plan instruction to go east was newer guidance that superseded the original scramble order.

Why didn't they follow the scramble order as issued from the Mission Crew Commander at NEADS? A direct order from a Commander most certainly supercedes any "generic" plan.

It is claimed the Langley pilots were never briefed about the reason they were scrambled. As the lead pilot explained, "I reverted to the Russian threat… I'm thinking cruise missile threat from the sea. You know, you look down and see the Pentagon burning and I thought the bastards snuck one by us."

Seeing how the Langley jets were scrambled out to sea, this "generic" scramble plan must have been assuming an external attack coming from across the Atlantic. But how is it conceivable that well after both Twin Towers are struck, fighter pilots were still thinking of a generic "Russian threat"?

It is claimed the pilots were never made aware that the threat was from hijacked airliners. Wouldn't that information have been included in the NEADS scramble order at 9:23 or shortly thereafter? Two towers are burning and no one tells the fighter jocks?

The Otis jets were scrambled at 8:46 in response to the hijacking of Flight 11. Because the plane's transponder signal had disappeared, NEADS spent the next several minutes searching their radar for the "elusive primary radar return." The Otis jets were airborne by 8:53, well after Flight 11 hit the World Trade Center. But were sent out off the coast of Long Island because, it is claimed, NEADS did not know where to send the alert fighter aircraft. This allowed Flight 175 to crash into the second World Trade Tower. This is almost exactly what happened to the jets scrambled from Langley, allowing the Pentagon to be struck.

This information is all based on the commission staff report.

=====

[JohnOneillsMemory]

2. Damn! Now she's citing FAA tapes destroyed and Sen Mark Dayton

calling out NORAD for a bogus 9/11 timeline leading to him leaving the Senate due to Repub pressure and a security alert on his office!

THIS IS HEATING UP, FOLKS!! THE TRUTH IS COMING IN TO VIEW!!

[BlueEyedSon]

4. The tape-chopping episode is well documented.

Go get 'em Randi!!!

[bunny planet]

16. Randi talked about those tapes being destroyed last year. She was the

only one mentioning it. I was glad to hear today that she is bringing it up again. I'm so upset she is going to be out for a month starting next week. This lady just might be the one to bring this crew down singlehandedly. She is awesome today.

[spooked911]

22. About damn frigging time. But I sense we are coming closer to blowing

the lid off the 9/11 cover-up. They are clearly hiding important info that implicates people inpower in the plot.

It is outrageous that justice hasn't been done for this treason.

[AuntiBush]

66. Enthawing...

How can any of us ignore this very simple oddity!?! What are the odds? Certainly I'm not an expert in this area, but it's over-obvious that our intelligence "should - have - know!"

Quoting from the first poster: "NORAD/CIA 'LIVE FLY' EXERCISES SIMULATING MULTIPLE HIJACKED PLANES CRASHED INTO BUILDINGS ON THE MORNING OF 9/11 WHILE THE 'REAL THING' WAS GOING ON CAUSED AIRCOVER TO BE UNAVAILABLE AND FAA SCREENS TO HAVE A MIX OF EXERCISE PLANES AND REAL PLANES."

:scared:

What does this mean for us, now? Do you believe "it" will ever come out??? Please tell me it will. That some news station will have the GUTS to TELL US THE TRUTH!

What happened to all of those one-time heroic "investigative reporters?!?!!"

[SnoopDog]

3. It has been suggested that...

A cargo plane or some other plane with a 'pod' on the bottom of the plane (not an 757 airliner) hit the WTC. (An eye witness reporter described the plane as a cargo plane)

And, the evidence suggests that a missile hit the pentagon.

And, the the Pentagon was running exercises - to simulate airplane attacks?

It all fits....

[BlueEyedSon]

7. There is enough footage of the WTC planes.

They were commercial airliners

[SnoopDog]

9. I would believe eye witnesses and evidence before I would

believe 'footage' With todays technologies, 'film' can be 'manipulated'.

Why has the gas station film never been released?

[sendero]

14. The only problem is..

... I saw the "footage" within minutes of it happening.

My new big screen TV had been delivered and setup, damn near the first thing I saw on it was the planes hitting the towers. They sure looked like airliners to me - I'm no aviation expert tho.

[BlueEyedSon]

15. Hey ya switched gears on me (to the Pentagon)

I watched the second WTC plane on live TV. Not much time to fake a tape.....

[SnoopDog]

18. With so many inconsistencies now showing up...

It is hard to know the truth.

With the news of the faa 52 warnings and nothing being done, the appearance of the towers falling like they do by demolition experts, the complete bookshelf of lies by this bush administration, the almost impossibility that a 757 hit the Pentagon, the lies about Iraq's WMD, the lies about Social Security being bankrupt....well what exactly can any citizen believe.

My personal belief is that this sonuvabitch - George W Bush and his cronies - planned and executed the attack on the WTC on 911.

[itzamirakul]

62. A cargo plane would not have had commercial passengers

How do you account for all the civilian pasengers who died in both planes that hit the WTC?

[SnoopDog]

69. I don't know...

How do we know they did died in the planes... Or were they executed by * and company..

[loritooker]

49. Photos I've seen show the planes had no windows. (?) nt

[BlueEyedSon]

50. Link? thx! nt

[FreedomAngel82]

8. I remember hearing about that

And why was Cheney taken to a basement room in the White House when it happened? :shrug: I also remember a local gas station near the Pentagan had it video taped from their security cameras (it was pointing in the direction) and when the FBI found out about the tape(s) they immediately got the tape(s). :shrug:

[spooked911]

23. I don't buy the pod theory-- but believe it or not, there were witnesses

who said missiles were shot into the WTC.

You can find it in the 9/11 police transcripts at www.memoryhole.org

But in general, it is better to avoid "physical evidence" which can be very difficult to convince people of. On the other hand, there are plenty of hard news stories that added up show that the official 9/11 story is BS.

The 9/11 wargames, for instance.

[Duer 157099]

5. I wondered why she didn't mention this

This news has been around quite awhile, how could she not have known about it?

[bunny planet]

35. Randi won't talk about anything she doesn't have proof in hand of.

When she has it though, she is tenacious about screaming it out loud. It is really too bad she will be out for a month right now. Nobody else can get a story out there quite like Randi can. She's got a set (she's from Brooklyn after all).
Brooklyn rocks!

[Old and In the Way]

10. All kinds of exercises and simulations going on that day.

Yes, what a bizarre coincidence. Talk about being lucky in your choice of days....I wonder what the odds were of having a hijacking happen on the same day as these exercises? Probability in the realm of hitting a trifecta, I'll bet.

This statement from Rumsfield is news to me: "with respect to international flights heading to this country that were squawking "hijack."

Why were international flights squawking "hijack"? Why would that be occurring, were there other terrorists on flights that we didn't know about? Were the pilots just exercising their transponders? Were the pilots just kidding?

Or was that a Rumsfield lie? Anyone know anything about this? I'd be quite interested in reading more about it.

[spooked911]

24. There were at least SIX different aircraft drills on 9/11!

1) Northern Vigilance
2) Northern Guardian
3) Vigilant Guardian
4) Vigilant Warrior
5) Northern Denial
6) NRO plane crash drill

Vigilant Warrior is the live-fly hijacking exercise.

[Old and In the Way]

28. Yeah, a bizarre coincidence, no doubt.

I wonder if they were also testing Globalhawk technology that day?

Anyay, I sure want to find out about those international flights....were they part of the exercises? If so, why was there any confusion about their squawking their transponders? If they weren't, why did these events occur...were there terrorists on board or did Rumsfield lie?

And I want to know if 77, 175, 93, and 11 were part of the exercise. (I know you've seen this question from me, but I just want to add it again to this thread).

[JohnOneillsMemory]

30. Oil wars are at the center of the 9/11 disaster. Caspian Sea oil and gas.

http://www.atimes.com/c-asia/DA25Ag01.html
(Pipelineistan: The Rules of the Game by Pepe Escobar)

>snip<
"War against terrorism? Not really. Reminder: it's all about oil.

A quick look at the map is all it takes. It's no coincidence that the map of terror in the Middle East and Central Asia is practically interchangeable with the map of oil. There's Infinite Justice, Enduring Freedom - and Everlasting Profits to be made: not only by the American industrial-military complex, but especially by American and European oil giants.

Where is the realm these days of former US secretary of state James Baker, former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft, former White House chief of staff John Sununu and former defense secretary and current Invisible Man Dick Cheney? They are all happily dreaming of, and working for, the establishment of Pipelineistan.

Pipelineistan is the golden future: a paradise of opportunity in the form of US$5 trillion of oil and gas in the Caspian basin and the former Soviet republics of Central Asia. In Washington's global petrostrategy, this is supposed to be the end of America's oil dependence on the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). This is of course the heart of the matter in the New Great Game - compared to which the original 19th-century Great Game between czarist Russia and the British Empire was a childish tin soldier's diversion.

Afghanistan itself has some natural gas in the north of the country, near Turkmenistan. But above all it is ultra-strategic: positioned between the Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia, between Turkmenistan and the avid markets of the Indian subcontinent, China and Japan. Afghanistan is at the core of Pipelineistan.

The Caspian states hold at least 200 billion barrels of oil, and Central Asia has 6.6 trillion cubic meters of natural gas just begging to be exploited. Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are two major producers: Turkmenistan is nothing less than a "gas republic". Apart from oil and gas there's copper, coal, tungsten, zinc, iron, uranium, gold.

The only export routes, for the moment, are through Russia. So most of the game consists of building alternative pipelines to Turkey and Western Europe, and to the east toward the Asian markets. India will be a key player. India, Iran, Russia and Israel are all planning to supply oil and gas to South and Southeast Asia through India.

It's enlightening to note that all countries or regions which happen to be an impediment to Pipelineistan routes towards the West have been subjected either to a direct interference or to all-out war: Chechnya, Georgia, Kurdistan, Yugoslavia and Macedonia. To the east, the key problems are the Uighurs of China's far-western Xinjiang and, until recently, Afghanistan.

More, much more than Afghanistan is involved. What's at stake is Eurasia. Zbigniew Brzezinski, stellar hawk and Jimmy Carter's former national security adviser, used to wax lyrical on Eurasia: "Seventy-five percent of the world population, most of its material riches, 60 percent of the world's GNP, 75 percent of sources of energy, and behind the US, the six most prosperous economies and the six largest military budgets." Brzezinski is on record stressing that the US would have to make sure "no other power would take possession of this geopolitical space".
>snip<


http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm
(The New US-British Oil Imperialism, 100 Year War for Oil)

>snip<

The huge oil and gas reserves in the Caspian Sea must either be moved west to European markets or south to Asian markets. The western route is to move oil from Chechnya, across the Black Sea and through the Bosporus to the Mediterranean, but the narrow Bosporus channel is already clogged with oil tankers from the Black Sea oil fields. An alternate route would be to move the tankers from the Black Sea, bypassing the Bosporus, up the Danube River and then through a very short pipeline across Kosovo to the Mediterranean at Tirana, Albania. However, that process was stopped by the Chinese who have supplied and armed the Albanians, as a client state, since 1949.

The other difficulty with the western route is that Western Europe is a tough market, characterized by high prices for oil products, an aging population, and increasing competition from natural gas. Furthermore, the region is fiercely competitive, now being serviced by oil from the Middle East, the North Sea, Scandinavia, and Russia. Western Europe is not a very attractive market, because substantial infrastructure would have to be developed to bring that oil from the Caspian to an already overly-competitive European market.

The only other ways to get Caspian Sea oil and gas to Asian markets is through China, which is too long a route, or through Iran, which is politically and economically inimical to U.S.-Standard Oil objectives.

As soon as the Soviets discovered the vast Caspian Sea oil fields in the late 1970's, they attempted to take control of Afghanistan to build a massive north-south pipeline system to allow the Soviets to send their oil directly through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Indian Ocean seaport. The result was the decades long Soviet-Afghan war. The Standard Oil-influenced U.S. government saw the danger of a Russian north-south pipeline and the CIA trained and funded armed terrorist groups, including Osama bin Laden, who defeated the Soviets in the late 1980's.

The Russians then tried to control the flow of oil and gas through its monopoly on pipelines. The Southern Asian Republics of the former Soviet Union--Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan--saw through this Russian monopolistic ploy and began to consult with Western companies.

The Standard Oil-influenced U.S. government now plans to thrust further along the 40th parallel from the Balkans through these Southern Asian Republics of the former Soviet Union. The U.S. military has already set up a permanent operations base in Uzbekistan. The so-called anti-terrorist strategy is clearly designed to simultaneously consolidate control over Middle Eastern and South Asian oil, and contain and neutralize the former Soviet Union. With that strategy, Afghanistan is exactly where they need to be.

[spooked911]

44. Looks like we're going to Iran, then. Right?

Nice maps, btw!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

47. Reporter Seymour Hersh says Iran is a definite, working on it. HANE/LEOpdf

The US and Iran have been at war since 1979 when the US's dictator, the Shah, was thrown out by Great Britain's ayatollah-in-the-wings Khomeini.

The US has been hemming in Iran to protect Saudi oilfields by arming Saddam Hussein but those days are gone and the US is moving in to take direct control of the Caspian Sea deposits.

Iran will be neutralized by Israel and US air supremacy but boots on the ground will only be Special Forces reconnaissance squads for the foreseeable future.

The biggest fear of the Dept. of 'Defense' is that a High Altitude Nuclear Explosion (HANE) in the ionosphere will kill all their Low Earth Orbit Satellites (LEOS) which would blind the Pentagon's electronic eyes and ears.

They accidentally did this to themselves in 1962 when they killed seven of their own satellites and it was about ten years before the Van Allen Belts around the Earth stabilized again.

That's why the DOD is adamant about preventing any nuclear capability in unfriendly countries. It would take just one nuke to cripple the US military capability.

Here is a University of Maryland Eisenhower Institute pdf showing the whole science of what would happen if a nuke went off over North Korea. It shows the intended use of HAARP and ELF technology to electronically vacuum the charged particles out of the ionosphere so the DOD could put up new satellites.
http://www.eisenhowerinstitute.org/programs/globalpartnerships/fos/newfrontier/Papadopoulos-presentation.pdf

[JohnOneillsMemory]

13. Hell, Randi goes into the hospital tomorrow. We need her now!

Mike Malloy will be a great sub. Sam Seder? Eh...no.

[ElectroPrincess]

59. I hope she booked Thom Hartmann ...

IMO he's the best! :-)

http://www.thomhartmann.com/

[Just Me]

19. Excellent compilation!!!

If the American people ever came around to believing that the neoCONspirators had any role whatsoever in the events on 9/11, I simply cannot imagine their reaction.

I remember my own series of reactions: denial, shock, disgust then outrage.

[fooj]

64. Me, too. I go back and forth from rage to profound sadness...

Those bastards betrayed their own...Damn them all!

[seemslikeadream]

20. is it just me, or has opinion on 911 lihop/mihop changed?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x32905

9-11: Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble-new article by C. Schwarz
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x32211

9/11 was an inside job
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=29793&mesg_id=29793

anyone seen this pentagon 911 stuff?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=31405&mesg_id=31405

Strange seismic activity and molten steel at Ground Zero on 9/11/01
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=29277&mesg_id=29277

9/11 Commission: There Must Be 93 Ways To Blow Your Cover
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=20744&mesg_id=20744

Can I ask a tinfoil hat question re: 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=7924&mesg_id=7924

[AZCat]

21. All your links except the last one are dead

It might be easier just to provide a link to the September 11 Forum since the threads (and many more) are there now.

[seemslikeadream]

25. I fixed the links thanks

n/t

[spooked911]

26. Yes-- the ugly truth is finally oozing out.

Seems to me, a lot more people are seeing the truth and doubting the official story -- it is a natural process and more natural than people just STARTING to believe the official story.

[seemslikeadream]

32. Here are some older 9/11 threads

OK people, what's your HOP level? (poll)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=17

9/11 Commission transcripts finally ready
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=47

Why was the order to shoot the planes down so wrong on 9/11?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=359

Enlightening old DU thread on massive explosions in WTC 1 basements
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=589

The Pentagon Thread: Part 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=1167

Did Neo-Cons Gone Wild Make a Propaganda Spectacle of the WTC?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=978

Who put all those bombs in the WTC?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=1312

The Pentagon Thread Part 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=708

The Pentagon Thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=405

[Trish1168]

33. I've been believing this for maybe a year or two

Since the Iraq war. The run up to the Iraq war was a wake up call for me. I kept thinking "They can't think we're all this stupid". The other big wake up call was the main stream media (MSM). They were no where during the war.

I'm no intelligence specialist or government person or news analyst....but, even an ordinary person like me can understand that there wasn't a link between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. I understood they were lying....and NO ONE in the media said anything. That's when I knew the media was being controlled in some way (I don't get quite how).

In the time since....with all the civil liberties disappearing...all the lies and deceit....all the background coming out about the neocons and their philosophy and the PNAC etc. and all the stonewalling about 9/11....not to mention the election thefts.

It all adds up and it seems to me that LIHOP or MIHOP is more than possible.

I hope Randi keeps talking about this. Its important to get to the heart of this.

[Geek_Girl]

40. This may sound stupid

but what is LIHOP and MIHOP?

[seemslikeadream]

41. Hi Geek_Girl

LET IT HAPPEN ON PURPOSE

MADE IT HAPPEN ON PURPOSE

September 11

:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

36. I agree

I remember when I first found out about everything. I was shocked and then I was both angry and upset. How my own government could betray me. *Sigh* How they could steal elections, do this horrible deed and lie about it. *sigh* I just think it's just slowly starting to come out and I'm still expecting something big to come out. I just don't think this is the end of the information.

[evolvenow]

52. MIHOP will be revealed! How about WTC 7 anomalies?Unmistakable Demolition:

"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." George Orwell


Nails In The Coffin of Trade Seven - WTC-7 Collapse Footage Shows Unmistakable Demolition Charges

Nails In The Coffin of Trade Seven

Close-Up of WTC-7 Collapse Footage Shows Unmistakable Demolition Charges

The above clip is taken from this longer video of the WTC-7 collapse, which itself is a small segment of the Naudet brothers' documentary "9/11" (snip)

Looking at the upper right-hand corner of the building we see a rapid series of small explosions travelling upward just as the building itself begins to fall. The size, placement and timing of these "puffs" is very consistent with squibs from cutting charges of the type used in professional controlled demolitions, and in fact nothing but small explosive charges could create such an appearance. The decreasing volume of the building from the collapse itself could not create enough pressure to cause such localized high-velocity effects, and this early in the collapse would have only created a modest overpressure.

http://www.libertyforum.org/printthread.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&main=293140235&type=thread

kick!!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

27. Finally a caller mentioning FBI John O'Neill vs Barbara Bodine in Yemen.

Mentioning FBI Coleen Rowley now and the Phoenix memos.
Every supervisor who impeded national security was promoted!

Call in to NPR, AAR, etc. Keep this story on the air!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

48. 11/15/01 'Bin Laden:The Forbidden Truth' reveal Enron's cnxn to bin Laden

(I think this is what led William Pitt to write 'Hell to Pay' which led me to Democratic Underground and my choice of user-name.
These French investigative journalists now advise the French government on the financial web linking the Bush**s, Saudis, and bin Laden.-JOM)

http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/11.17A.Oil.Taliban.htm
Thursday November 15 2001 01:21 PM EST

U.S. Policy Towards Taliban Influenced by Oil - Say Authors

By Julio Godoy, Inter Press Service

PARIS, Nov 15 (IPS) - Under the influence of U.S. oil companies, the government of George W. Bush initially blocked U.S. secret service investigations on terrorism, while it bargained with the Taliban the delivery of Osama bin Laden in exchange for political recognition and economic aid, two French intelligence analysts claim.

In the book "Bin Laden, la verite interdite" ("Bin Laden, the forbidden truth"), that appeared in Paris on Wednesday, the authors, Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie, reveal that the Federal Bureau of Investigation's deputy director John O'Neill resigned in July in protest over the obstruction.

Brisard claim O'Neill told them that "the main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it".

>snip<

Brisard and Dasquie have long experience in intelligence analysis. Brisard was until the late 1990s director of economic analysis and strategy for Vivendi, a French company. He also worked for French secret services, and wrote for them in 1997 a report on the now famous Al Qaeda network, headed by bin Laden.

Dasquie is an investigative journalist and publisher of Intelligence Online, a respected newsletter on diplomacy, economic analysis and strategy, available through the Internet.

Brisard and Dasquie draw a portrait of closest aides to President Bush, linking them to oil business.

Bush's family has a strong oil background. So are some of his top aides. From the U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, through the director of the National Security Council Condoleeza Rice, to the Ministers of Commerce and Energy, Donald Evans and Stanley Abraham, all have for long worked for U.S. oil companies.

Cheney was until the end of last year president of Halliburton, a company that provides services for oil industry; Rice was between 1991 and 2000 manager for Chevron; Evans and Abraham worked for Tom Brown, another oil giant.

Besides the secret negotiations held between Washington and Kabul and the importance of the oil industry, the book takes issue with the role played by Saudi Arabia in fostering Islamic fundamentalism, in the personality of bin Laden, and with the networks that the Saudi dissident built to finance his activities.

[bush_is_wacko]

29. Thank god I wasn't hallucinating that I REMEMBERED this!

How the hell do they manage to erase this shit from public knowledge? I remember hearing about this why don't other people?

As for how bin Laden knew about it...bushitler hasn't gone after him, he is connected to the bin Laden family, AND he flew their asses out of the country within 48 hours of the attacks!

I have ALWAYS believed 911 was an INSIDE job. The reason no one is talking about this is that the administration is threatening them. The anthrax incident targeted MSM and congress. I think they ALL suspect their lives are on the line. They (the Repubs) all KNOW their jobs are on the line if they speak out or in any way try to block this administrations efforts!

I swear some of them have looked positively terrified to answer a question that paints the REAL picture of this administration!

[Just Me]

31. The Bush-Saudi connection is rather astounding.

When one absorbs the whole picture, how can LIHOP be anything other than a rational conclusion.

MIHOP is just too terrible for me to embrace,...even after all this time. :scared:

[bush_is_wacko]

38. It may be terrible, but I think we are EVENTUALLY going to find out

things far more terrifying than that. I do believe there is a coup going on in America! I just hope we can stop it before it's too late! Unfortunately, WE don't have the prospect of another country bailing us out! We are going to have to do it ourselves and HOPE for the best! I'm a mother, so the HOPING part is easy for me. I can't help but find hope in kids faces I work with them every day and come home to them every night. Kids BELIEVE they have a future! We must make sure they do!

[spooked911]

45. Two reasons for hope--

1) the country is about 50% against Bush-- they can't get rid of us very easily without a mass uprising, and more and more Democrats are catching on
2) young people today are fairly skeptical about Bush and 9/11-- much more willing to disbelieve the official line.

[me b zola]

54. Sadly

The recent documents released to the media sway me more to the side of MIHOP.:scared:

Someone in another thread wrote, " more tears in a sea of saddness...who would notice?"

Just when I thought I could not cry any more, I did.

[bush_is_wacko]

58. Yep, and I think there are more tears to come.

This IS the battle of the century. bush is NOT alone in this. There are MANY current leaders trying to create this "New World Order" and I'm not sure we know all the players.

It is scary and it is sad but our children MUST be told WHY we are fighting this. I think this battle is going to go on for a LONG time. It took many years fro them to accomplish this takeover and it will take MANY more to dismantle it.

I don't think American's realize just how long this has been going on and I also don't think some of us want to admit there are members of our own party that have been willing participants in this mess.

The picture has just begun to unfold.

[itzamirakul]

63. Take a good look at the PNACers...

then add the Neocons and Neodems who are on the same ideological team though they supposedly belong to different parties and you will see the Israel-firsters, who want complete domination over the Middle East and its natural resources.

It is about global domination and using the United States to get it by making it appear that both countries are fighting terrorism.

[bush_is_wacko]

70. Yep. But they didn't figure Americans and MOST other countries

everywhere going to stop letting their children to enlist in their "war on terror." the big flaw of their plans is it requires live bodies to shoot at and throw bombs at the imaginary terrorists. I don't see any scenario at the moment that will increase their board game soldiers. Draft is going to piss allot of people off and I don't see how they can avoid it. On top of that I can't foresee a situation where some of the "coalition members" that have pulled out of Iraq would EVER trust bushCo enough to "come back to the fold." I think they are scrambling to adjust the plan because of the lack of participation among all of us "dissenters!" I am starting to accept that as a good term. Is that a good thing or bad thing?

[FreedomAngel82]

37. I know I've mentioned before

But I watched "The Carlyle Group" and in the movie it talks about Bush senior sitting with the BinLadin family and they're WATCHING the attacks HAPPEN! They were all in on it! :grr:

[Duer 157099]

34. Kick for the west coast gang

Listening to this now...

[me b zola]

42. kick

For another excelent post. Thank you.

[BrklynLiberal]

46. Looks like those tinfoil hats are looking more and more like fedoras

:tinfoilhat: every day..
I knew in my heart that the BFEE were in on it from day one.
While I was watching the second plane hit the WTC, I said to myself,
"Bush did this!"

[evolvenow]

51. Bright White/Orange Flashes just prior to 2nd Impact / not standard equipm

Bright White/Orange Flashes just prior to 2nd Impact -

As the 2nd plane, alleged to have been Flight 175, approaches the South Tower, a bright white flash lights up the entire side of the aircraft. As you can see, this occurs forward of the 'pod' and behind it. This bright white flash takes place a minimum of 500 feet away from the World Trade Center, and continues till it reaches its zenith, then starts to fade as the plane impacts the south tower...


(More )

Newsday Magazine September 12th, 2001 Cover - The Odyssey of Flight 175

This story was originally published on April 15, 2004, after researching it and compiling it for almost a year. To date it has been viewed over 2.5 million times.


The South Tower Impact with Alleged Flight 175

What happens when one goes and finds the news medias own footage which they themsleves released after 911, and then, simply slows it down? If you have an eye for detail, the first thing that will occur is your heart will sink. For on the 2nd plane which hit the 2nd World Trade Center, there is a very large extra piece of equipment that has been attached to the planes fuselage, off centered on the right side of the fuselage, just forward of the gear well doors. And it doesn't belong. It is not standard equipment for a Boeing 767 200 ER, or any other passenger aircraft. Boeing was asked to identify this equipment, obvious in almost all the news photos from 911. They refused to identify it, and instead suggested that these questions be answered by the 911 Commission.

(more)

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/

[spooked911]

55. the "pod" isn't going to convince anyone who doesn't want to believe it.

IMO--it's better not to focus on dubious physical evidence such as "pods" or what hit the Pentagon-- there is plenty of real indisputable evidence suggesting government complicity.

[robbedvoter]

56. in our local paper yesterday:

http://www.nynewsday.com/other/special/amny/

[Al-CIAda]

57. Kick

[JohnOneillsMemory]

60. Folks, stay with the OIL WARS aspect of this story. This is the center.

The Bush**-Saudi-bin Laden-Saddam-Taliban-Iran through line to this story is what Americans need to learn.

Let It Happen On Purpose (LIHOP)is much easier to illustrate to newbies than
Make It Happen On Purpose(MIHOP).

Just a recommendation for the future so that threads like this can be put on the front page without the smearing curse of the 'X-Files wing of the Democratic Party' that Tom Delay whipped Barbara Boxer with on 1/6/05.

[AuntiBush]

67. Oil. Hailiburton. Enron, Lockhead. Bu** & $$ Co.

So, center on the O-I-L connection... Haliburton. Enron. Lockhead. Bin Laden/Bu&H/Che**Y connections. Is that it? Was there "that much" to make in this or a black=mail thing?

I'm sorry. Its over my head and have been desperately trying to figure this out for sometime and certainly want to.

Do you think the public will know before it's too late???? I'm worried.

[NVMojo]

61. "No way!! where the fuck is NORAD!!!"

that's what I said that morning as I looked at the tv when the second one hit. My SO had just come upstairs and said, "a plane just flew into one of the WTC towers!"

[evolvenow]

68. "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act."

George Orwell said this...smart man.

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