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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:26 PM
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Fascist, liberal = bad frames.
Check out this article for a good discussion of how we need to be subtle in our use of language - a quality that comes easy to Progressives:

In all these ways we are, in short, losing the battle for America's heart and soul, often before we've even begun to engage it. What is to be done? The obvious answer is that progressives will never win as long as we continue to play on the right's home field, according to rules devised by them. We must start doing what they have done so successfully these last decades, and reframe everything in sight in the most advantageous way possible.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0208-21.htm

NGU.




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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 02:57 PM
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1. I agree, actually Christo-fascists would be more appropriate
I have however been using 'corporatism' in the place of 'fascism'. I can live with 'regressives' though, and I actually prefer to be referred to as 'progressive'.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:06 PM
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2. "Corporatocracy" is a good one, too. eom
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 04:53 PM
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7. Lou Dobbs on 'corporatism' (video clip)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:22 PM
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8. Thanks. Bookmarking to watch later.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:03 PM
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13. Wow, Lou never fails to amaze me.
If only all of our business people had his scruples.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:10 PM
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3. I prefer "Radical Rightwing," but this article has convinced me that...
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 03:15 PM by ClassWarrior
..."regressives" is an excellent alternative. I also like "corporatists," "RepubliCONs" or "Republicants" when I have to refer to the organized party, and the "Corporate Media Whores."

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:27 PM
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4. You're a Hartman listener no doubt. I think he fantastic for this.
Edited on Sun Feb-13-05 03:27 PM by Al-CIAda
The Dems should contract his services.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 04:17 PM
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5. I call them Nazis.
Nazis=Bad
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:23 PM
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9. Okay, so maybe subtlety only comes easy to most Progressives.
<LOL>

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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:24 PM
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10. -_-
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 04:48 PM
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6. Calling them regressives is accurate...
Regressive President George W. Bush
Regressive Majority Leader Bill Frist
Regressive talk show host Rush Limbaugh
Regressive tabloid newscaster Bill O'Reilly

All of these have a nice sound to them...
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jdots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 07:42 PM
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11. Most of us agree but we aren't the ones with the problem
If someone starts an anti liberal anti dem or anti progressive rant around me they better be ready to learn some manners.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:23 AM
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12. Who said anything about ranting? All I said was we need to choose...
...our language carefully. No matter at what volume we're using it.

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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:16 PM
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14. YES!
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 12:19 PM by Democrat Dragon
how about "Regressive Elite"?

"Corporate Elite"
"Fundamentalist Elite"
"American Pharasies"
"Evildoers"
"Corporate Crooks"
"They want to make you poor, fat, sick, and stupid"
"Their goal is world domination"
"Barbaric, selfish Republican elite"
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:29 PM
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15. Yes, 'elite' works well for the blue collar crowd.
'corporatist elite'

'retro-robberbarrons'
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