What the hell happened to Pat Buchanan???????

[CatWoman]

I just watched his appearance on this morning's "Meet the Press".

He makes more sense than some democrats.

See for yourself: http://www.crooksandliars.com/

[beyurslf]

1. While I just about always disagree with everything he says, I have always

at leas admired that he is a truly intellectual conservative. He is intelligent and know what he believes and why. Most conservatives repeat what Limbaugh tells them to.

[CindyDale]

2. Same ole, same ole

The Jews are still leading sweet innocent Boy George.

Halliburton, Gulf Oil, et al. are all still the innocent beneficiaries.

On another thread, they've posted quotes from Buchanan indicating his admiration of Hitler's genius. Here you see evidence of his attempts to imitate it.

[paineinthearse]

3. Same observation as an earlier post

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1592580

Buchanan is a traditional conservative.

[Pachamama]

10. You mean what the GOP actually once was?

Seems so long ago I can barely remember....

Yeah, its the same ole Buchanan - some things he says make sense and I agree with and then he goes way into Right Field....I would also say that he is almost more a "Libertarian" than a Republican....

[Cats Against Frist]

55. But he's actually not

Someone corrected me on this a couple of months ago. I thought the same thing, because of the Justin Raimondo connection and the fact that Buchanan has been bumming around with the Libertarian set.

Pat's really a limited-government, social fascist and federalist and hard-right devotee, and he's in for that "strict constitutionalism."

In other words, part of the "Libertarian" set are stateless fascist conservatives that don't want to rely on the power of the state to keep "Adam and Steve" from marrying -- they want to run them out of town and shoot them. Trust me -- I'm a libertarian, and I have to deal with these kinds of people all the time.

That said, I do agree with Buchanan on several things -- because if you're a libertarian of any moderate stripe, you share commonalities with many political perspectives.

[napi21]

4. Pat's always been like he was on MTP today.

Like someone else said on another thread here at Du...He sounded like a RW nut when he ran against Poppy and drove all the real Pubs to Perot and Clinton. When you hear him today, it shows you just how bad today's crowd really is!

Pat hasn't changed. He's still the real Republican he was for many years.

[heidiho]

5. Before Bush invaded Iraq, he said "This may be the

biggest mistake ever made in American history" (not a direct quote but nearly). I started to appreciate him at that point.

I don't agree with everything he says, but he is a small voice of reason in a sea of disgusting right-wingers.

[surfermaw]

16. right, he was against the war

So was Novak, I couldn't believe him and what he was saying, I though my goodness he is thinking a good bit like me.... It might be also that George Two is about ready to come out of Iraq ,he is in so much debt, and Buc., could be setting things up for him, but he and Bob Novak was also, I will have to admit as much as I dislike either one of them.

[robbedvoter]

25. Pat hates wars because it may give us furriners cooties

As long as we understand that we have this very narrow agenda in common (hating the war), all is right. But good ol' Pat is a right winger - and old fashioned one.

[Kinkistyle]

56. I think Buchanan would have been against war on Nazi's.

Buchanan's an isolationist. He probably would've been against going to war against Nazi aggression. In addition I bet he even would've been apathetic about the Holocaust.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Is This The Fella Ya Talkin About

ON GAYS:

In a 1972 memo to Richard Nixon, Buchanan referred to one of George
McGovern's leading financial contributors as a "screaming fairy." (Newsday,
2/8/89) Buchanan has repeatedly used the term "sodomites," and has
referred to gays as "the pederast proletariat." (Washington Post, 2/9/92)

"Homosexuality involves sexual acts most men consider not only
immoral, but filthy. The reason public men rarely say aloud what
most say privately is they are fearful of being branded 'bigots' by
an intolerant liberal orthodoxy that holds, against all evidence
and experience, that homosexuality is a normal, healthy lifestyle."
(syndicated column, 9/3/89)

In a 1977 column urging a "thrashing" of gay groups, Buchanan wrote:
"Homosexuality is not a civil right. Its rise almost always is
accompanied, as in the Weimar Republic, with a decay of society and a
collapse of its basic cinder block, the family." (New Republic, 3/30/92)

"Gay rights activists seek to substitute, for laws rooted in Judeo-
Christian morality, laws rooted in the secular humanist belief that all
consensual sexual acts are morally equal. That belief is anti-biblical
and amoral; to codify it into law is to codify a lie." (Buchanan column
in Wall Street Journal, 1/21/93)

On AIDS, Buchanan wrote in 1983: "The poor homosexuals -- they have
declared war upon nature, and now nature is extracting an awful retribution
(AIDS)." (Los Angeles Times, 11/28/86) Later that year, he demanded that
New York City Ed Koch and New York Gov. Mario Cuomo cancel the Gay Pride
Parade or else "be held personally responsible for the spread of the AIDS
plague." "With 80,000 dead of AIDS, our promiscuous homosexuals appear
literally hell-bent on Satanism and suicide," Buchanan wrote in 1990
(syndicated column, 10/17/90). In the 1992 campaign, he declared: "AIDS is
nature's retribution for violating the laws of nature." (Seattle Times,
7/31/93)

[rodeodance]

11. Buch has always had a thing against gays--but today I agreed with him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. You Forgot Blacks

ON AFRICAN-AMERICANS

After Sen. Carol Moseley Braun blocked a federal patent for a
Confederate flag insignia, Buchanan wrote that she was "putting on an act"
by associating the Confederacy with slavery: "The War Between the States
was about independence, about self-determination, about the right of a
people to break free of a government to which they could no longer give
allegiance," Buchanan asserted. "How long is this endless groveling
before every cry of'racism' going to continue before the whole country
collectively throws up?" (syndicated column, 7/28/93)

On race relations in the late 1940s and early 1950s: "There were no
politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The 'negroes' of
Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses,
playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." (Right from the Beginning,
Buchanan's 1988 autobiography, p. 131)

Buchanan, who opposed virtually every civil rights law and court
decision of the last 30 years, published FBI smears of Martin Luther King
Jr. as his own editorials in the St. Louis Globe Democrat in the mid-1960s.
"We were among Hoover's conduits to the American people," he boasted (Right
from the Beginning, p. 283).

White House advisor Buchanan urged President Nixon in an April 1969
memo not to visit "the Widow King" on the first anniversary of Martin
Luther King's assassination, warning that a visit would "outrage many, many
people who believe Dr. King was a fraud and a demagogue and perhaps
worse.... Others consider him the Devil incarnate. Dr. King is one of the
most divisive men in contemporary history." (New York Daily News, 10/1/90)

In a memo to President Nixon, Buchanan suggested that "integration of
blacks and whites -- but even more so, poor and well-to-do -- is less
likely to result in accommodation than it is in perpetual friction, as the
incapable are placed consciously by government side by side with the
capable." (Washington Post, 1/5/92)

In another memo from Buchanan to Nixon: "There is a legitimate
grievance in my view of white working-class people that every time, on
every issue, that the black militants loud-mouth it, we come up with more
money.... If we can give 50 Phantoms to the Jews, and a
multi-billion dollar welfare program for the blacks...why not help the
Catholics save their collapsing school system." (Boston Globe, 1/4/92)


Buchanan has repeatedly insisted that President Reagan did so much
for African-Americans that civil rights groups have no reason to exist:
"George Bush should have told the that black America
has grown up; that the NAACP should close up shop, that its members should
go home and reflect on JFK's admonition: 'Ask not what your country can do
for you, but rather ask what you can do for your country.'" (syndicated
column, 7/26/88)

In a column sympathetic to ex-Klansman David Duke, Buchanan chided
the Republican Party for overreacting to Duke and his Nazi "costume": "Take
a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not
in conflict with GOP principles, reverse discrimination against
white folks." (syndicated column, 2/25/89)

Trying to justify apartheid in South Africa, he denounced the notion
that "white rule of a black majority is inherently wrong. Where did we get
that idea? The Founding Fathers did not believe this." (syndicated column,
2/7/90) He referred admiringly to the apartheid regime as the "Boer
Republic": "Why are Americans collaborating in a U.N. conspiracy to ruin
her with sanctions?"
(syndicated column, 9/17/89)

ON IMMIGRANTS AND PEOPLE OF COLOR:

"There is nothing wrong with us sitting down and arguing that issue
that we are a European country." (Newsday, 11/15/92)

Buchanan on affirmative action: "How, then, can the feds justify

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. You Forgot Women

ON WOMEN:

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not
endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and
the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western
capitalism." (syndicated column, 11/22/83)

"The real liberators of American women were not the feminist
noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping
center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer." (Right from the
Beginning, p. 149)

"If a woman has come to believe that divorce is the answer to every
difficult marriage, that career comes before children .. no democratic
government can impose another set of values upon her." (Right from the
Beginning, p. 341)

[elshiva]

52. Please no more pro-Buchanan threads.

As a bisexual half-Jewish woman I protest any such statement as he makes "more sense then Democrats."

[CatWoman]

12. I 'm not about to defend Buchanan

however, those quotes are over 10 years old, and have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. The Subject At Hand

He voted for Bush*

[CatWoman]

22. The subject at hand

is Bush's ineffectual, disastrous approach to terrorism. There's plenty of space and bandwidth to start your own thread addressing your concerns.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. There Are Many Credible Voices Thar Oppose The Neo-Cons...

We don't need a jew , gay, black, and feminist basher to make our case...

[welshTerrier2]

38. agree or disagree ??

i was very impressed with Buchanan's comments ... i don't like Buchanan's politics or his bigotry and i certainly have no respect for his voting for bush ... but you haven't addressed the comments he made re: 9/11 and the war in Iraq ...

so i'll ask you these simple questions:

1. do you agree or disagree with the comments he made about the bush administration's PNAC objectives to spread democracy all over the world?

and

2. do you agree with him that we were attacked on 9/11 because of the U.S. military and political presence in the Middle East and not because "the terrorists" disapprove of our "freedoms"?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I Agree With Mr. Buchanan On Those Issues...

I also agree with Charley Manson that the Beatles and the Beach Boys were two of the greatest musical groups of all time...

I see nothing profound or original in Pat Buchanan's critique of Bush's foreign policy...

And for all Pat's hyperventilating he voted for Bush* and pimped the Swift Boat Liars calumny against John Kerry...

[welshTerrier2]

42. the courage of conviction

OK ... your response was nice and clear ... i appreciate that ...

you pointed out that you saw nothing profound or original in his critique of bush's foreign policy ... well, that's fine ...

still, i would point out that very few Democrats, at least to my knowledge, have clearly stated that the U.S. was attacked because many Muslims object to the U.S. military and political presence in the Middle East ... i don't know your thoughts on this but i find that fact very disturbing ...

it seems to me that Democrats are too scared they'll be labeled as condoning the 9/11 attacks if they dared show any understanding of its real causes ... it's a pretty sad day when Democrats can't tell the truth to the American people because they fear the political consequences ...

so, perhaps i agree that Mr. Buchanan's comments on these specific issues were not original, but i also agree with the theme of the base poster that the comments may well have gone further in telling the truth than many Democrats have gone ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. "the courage of conviction"

Pat Buchanan voted for Bush*....

One could infer that his hatred of the groups we discussed trumped his hatred for empire....

[welshTerrier2]

46. conflating message and messenger, deed and motivation

the point i was making, and hoped you would respond to, was that on this specific issue and on Buchanan's specific comments, he stated what very few Democrats have stated ...

the observation i made was that Democrats, at least most elected Democrats, have not had the courage to speak out on why they believed 9/11 occurred ... it's easy to just label al Qaeda as a bunch of deranged terrorists ... it takes a little more courage to separate their actions from their motivations ...

in an honest world where courageous people stand up and speak truth to power, we could have our Democratic leaders citing the horrific nature of the 9/11 terrorist act without being fearful to express the truth about why the "terrorists" did what they did ... just as it's important to differentiate between the actions of 9/11 and the source of hatred for the U.S. throughout much of the Middle East, it is also important to separate Mr. Buchanan as a badly flawed messenger from his very enlightened comments today ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Let Me Quote Kris Kristofferson

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."


Pat Buchanan can be brutally honest because he burned his bridges to the Republican party when he challenged the Boy King In 00 and the Boy King's father in 92...


The terrorist have grievances of which some of them are legitimate...
Those that are legitimate we should try to redress....

[welshTerrier2]

49. Democrats need to lead on foreign policy

btw, i'm a fan of Kristofferson's music ... he recently did a great anti-war song ... i saw him perform it on the "ex-MacEnroe show" ... truly haunting ...

anyway, in response to your comments:

The terrorist have grievances of which some of them are legitimate...
Those that are legitimate we should try to redress....

I agree with you that there are some legitimate grievances held by "the terrorists" and those who support their cause ... and the fact that many in the Middle East, and many Muslims all over the world, hold this perspective makes the U.S. much less safe ... and elected Democrats have badly dropped the ball on this issue ...

many of them, while critical of bush, continue to support the ousting of Saddam even though he never attacked the U.S. and posed no threat to us ... i'm not talking here about the IWR; i'm talking about continued support for "regime change" and the building of a democracy in Iraq ... our entire policy in the region is wrong and Democrats, i.e. most elected Democrats, have remained far too silent ...

Democrats need to take the lead on this issue ... they cannot be so fearful that it will cost them politically that they won't speak out and tell the American people the truth ... our foreign policy has for too long been for the benefit of multi-national corporations, especially those in the oil industry ... for too long, America has propped up evil regimes in the Middle East to create a more stable climate for oil ... stability may be an admirable goal; the horrors we've imposed on people in the region is not ... the U.S. policy there has always been self-serving and the common people easily know when they are being exploited ... and still, Democrats say nothing ...

that's the bottom line here, we have a corrupt foreign policy and Democrats are stuck "tweaking" the details rather than clearly speaking out against it ... perhaps you're right that Pat Buchanan has nothing to lose; that's not the case for the American people though ...

Democrats need to take a leadership role on foreign policy instead of cowering in the corner and worrying about the political backlash ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I Rather Talk About Kris Kristofferson

He is an amazing man...

He was a Rhodes Scholar and was to be an instructor at West Point before he embarked on his musical career..


Since I have semi-anonymity here I can even see I liked his performance in A Star Is Born...


Did you know Elvis was offered that role?


He might have saw himself as the burned out rock singer and sought the help he needed...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Would You Like Quotes Of A Fresher Vintage?

From 2000

http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Pat_Buchanan_Civil_Rights.htm

[stevedeshazer]

7. Buchanan can be infuriating and right at the same time

Right now, for example, I'm infuriated that I AGREE with him.

:hi:

[stopbush]

8. He hasn't changed. He just seems more moderate when

compared to the neo-cons and morons.

Pat's an isolationist. He's a class warrior. That hasn't changed. He may be blaming the neo-cons, or Israel or whoever, but you'll notice that he never lays the blame directly at bush's feet. He talks around it. He props up the puppet.

At the end of the day, he goes into the voting booth and votes a straight repug party line, no matter what he says on TV or thinks in private.

And that -my friends - is the definition of a whore.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Cuz He Hates Jews, Gays, Blacks, Hispanics And Feminists

More Than He Can Ever Hate Empire...

[Zeke]

14. Yea, Verily...

Buchs still a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Just a different kind
of wolf from a neo-con wolf.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. Pat Blaming Israel?

Seriously? I thought they all were pro-Israel. :shrug:

[sellitman]

24. Pat's hatred of Jews is well documented.

As another poster already said he doesn't stop there. He is an equal opportunity hater. Not all Repukes support Israel just as not all Israeli supporters support bush the lesser. I am Jewish and I see past the BS of bush the lesser. He is catering to his Religious zealots on the right and their apocalyptic mumbo-jumbo. bush's granddad was a Nazis sponsor. I doubt the fruit has fallen far past the tree.

:smoke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. He also hates blacks, gays, feminists, foreign nations, etcetera...

Simply put he hates the other...


He's David Duke sans the Aryan looks...

[whistle]

15. Let's see if Buchanan says the same thing tomorrow and the...

...next day and the next! Maybe he has seen the light. Perhaps he has finally gagged on all of the Bush lies and neo-conservative propaganda and has in fact finally understood the truth about what has happened to our country. If it was the 9-11 memo that came out last week, then we know the damage that has been created by this administration in withholding evidence and lying to the American people and the world has been immense. I only hope that the truth has not come forth too late. Let us pray and hope that the damage can be undone, that the administration can be removed from power through our impeachment process and stability and democracy restored in our country.

I just want to hear and see Pat Buchanan come forth again and again with these knew insights and begin to back sanity. It sounded like he also has come out in support of Howard Dean.

[stopbush]

51. Never happen. A leopard can't change his spots and a bigot can't

change his tune.

Pat is a rw plant, like Orrin Hatch or Arlen Specter. Their job is to act like the "moderate" R who questions the wisdom/policy/vision of the other Rs. They take that line until word comes down from Karl to put down the hammer. Then, they get out there with the "I was a doubter (run the tape!), but bush has convinced me that he knows all...Dems should get on board."

Yep, Pat questioned the war, then dutifully went on TV and savaged Kerry at every opportunity, and got more savage the closer we got to the election, even as the body count increased, the tortures came to light and the WMDs went officially missing. Pat will get on TV and split hairs over our policy toward Israel, but make fun of any Dem who takes an equally nuanced view if it makes bush look bad.

The same thing will happen on this one. Trust me.

[KaryninMiami]

17. I watched the show as well and agreed with much of what he said-

which made me a bit nervous to tell you the truth. The thing is that since we invaded Iraq, he's made a lot of sense and his writings pre-election were right on target- at least regarding his feelings about the war and now about the direction we are taking on an international level.

I sure would love to know whether he has seen the light in other areas because as we all know, this is not exactly a progressive thinker. Quite the opposite. Guess we'll have to see how this plays out in the weeks and months ahead...

[moggie12]

18. I e-mailed MTP and thanked them for having him on!

He may be a right-wing nut on many issues, but he's 100% right on neocons and how dangerous they are. I wrote a quick e-mail thanking them for letting him speak his piece and asked them to have him on NBC/MSNBC more often.

The conservatives in this country need to hear from "one of their own" how insane Bush and the neocons are. Maybe this country will start to WAKE UP if they hear this message from Buchanan -- who is clearly not a "left winger"!!!!!

Here's the link in case anybody also wants to e-mail them:
[e-mail] (I copied it to [e-mail] since they rebroadcast MTP later at night)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Can He Come On MTP And Say If You Have Butt Sex You Should Die

On AIDS, Buchanan wrote in 1983: "The poor homosexuals -- they have
declared war. upon nature, and now nature is extracting an awful retribution"

[CatWoman]

26. please refer to my comments above. thank you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. why settle for buchanan when you can have the full monte...

www.davidduke.com


He also opposes empire


I'll bet I could find things Charey Manson and I agree upon


Like love of the Beatles and the Beach Boys...

[moggie12]

35. No, he can't -- MTP wouldn't let him

But I'm glad they had him on to talk about the neocons since they are dangerous. Somebody posted this article he wrote in "American Conservative" magazine on DU within the past week or so. On this particular issue, his is a voice that needs to be heard.
http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. You Do Realize For All His Blowviating He Voted For Bush...

And if he didn't like Kerry and was really anti-empire he could have voted Nader or Green...


Also, he was a major Swift Boat liar devotee....

[moggie12]

40. Yes, he's a moron, racist, RW nut & all those other things

But still, the conservative types will listen to him but WON"T listen to Democrats who speak out about the lunacy of Bush's foreign policy -- and we need to get these people to WAKE UP and see beyond all Bush's patriotic flag-waving and the all the propaganda they have used to stir support for the Iraq invasion. My view on this come from a pragmatic perspective: We have to break through the wall of propaganda and Buchanan plays a useful role.

When I e-mailed MTP I said I don't agree with Buchanan on the vast majority of issues but that he is 100% right about the dangers of the neocon philosophy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. But He Has No Following...

His little paper has no following and he got less than one half percent of the vote when he ran in 00...


I'd suggest David Duke has a larger following... He actually held elective office and almost unseated a sitting governor...

And I sure as hell ain't listening to him either....


He is evil...

When you get in bed with a dog you wake up with fleas...

[CindyDale]

31. Buchanan only mentions Jewish neocons

that I've ever heard and doesn't say a word about corporate interests that have put us in the Middle East.

Why did Russert have him on with a Jew? Why not have him debate the management of Gulf Oil on our presence in the Middle East?

It's all phony scapegoating.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. It's Too Easy To Make This A Battle Of Buchanan Against The Jews

He's an across the board bigot...

[CindyDale]

34. An equal opportunity hater?

I don't know. He seemed pretty focused when I was watching (which hasn't been in a while).

I, too, agreed with much of what he was saying when I watched him. I don't believe that we should put Israeli interests before our own and I sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians.

However, I don't think that's why we've been doing what we've been doing. I think we've been pursuing corporate interests, and Israel/Jewish neocons are just scapegoats.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. There Are More Credible Conservative Opponents Of Empire

My Soviet Studies professor back in the early 80's called him an intellectual thug...


That's an apt description

[leftofthedial]

33. not too many Democrats are making any sense at all these days

so the odds are in his favor

[CatWoman]

44. along with some on this thread

present company excepted :D

[DearAbby]

45. Point being said over and over is that there are 0 Democrats that are

standing up and saying outright that Iraq was a mistake...It is sad that a near neo-nut has to make it for us...they should be shouting from the rafters about the 52 FAA warnings prior to 9/11...they should be shouting from the rafters the lies that were told to gain support for this war...they should be shouting from the rafters...where are they?

[No Exit]

48. Buchanan is a REPUBLICAN PARTY SHILL, nothing more...

Sometimes he says something a little different... he does this ONLY to get attention... his "career" depends on attention, as do his book sales.

Do not be fooled! Buchanan is a republican, and always will be!

----From one who was formerly fooled by Buchanan

[TheDonkey]

53. because he can. Remember though he was 100% behind *

the guy is a crook and no better than garbage.

Even though he doesn't agree with bush he still sold out to whore for him.

If Democrats tried to say the things Buchanan says (and they do) they are called left-wing radicals, insults are hurled at them, or just not even covered by the MSM.

[RealDems]

54. The reason I don't hate Buchanan...

is not because he agrees with me on some issues (such as the war), but because I believe that he at least stands on conviction. That is something all to rare (even in the Democratic Party) and probably something to be admired.

[Tinoire]

57. I would ally with conservatives and non neo-con Republicans before

I would ally with conservatives and non neo-con Republicans before I ally with neo-liberal Dems.

And no I don't personally like Buchanan, his sister Bay is one of the scariest people I have ever had the misfortune of being around but he is 100% categorically correct on this issue and none of the people so wanting to crucfy him have been very vocal at all about the dangers of PNAC and the catastrophic death dance we're leading with people like Sharansky.

There's a damn fire burning down this country. I don't have time to care about what Buchanan personally thinks about Blacks or Gays. Things are so bad that those issues are secondary to me right now. After the fire is out, I'll go back to quibbling with Pat over things but right now, I have a big enemy and it ain't Pat.

And after the fire is out, when I have the luxury of being able to worry about what a man's personal convictions are, I'm going to dig into Buchanan and see just what kind of a hatchet job was done on him because I've been seeing some horrible hatchet jobs on people who weren't in line with the empire building these last 16 years.

Pat Buchanan can come sit at my Black table anyday as can several Republicans who are aware of the danger this country is in. I will not however, under any circumstances, break bread with those who are enabling the crimes of our generation either through their support or their complicit silence no matter where in the political spectrum they stand.

What is all this concern about Pat's racism? It's NOT LIKE REPARATIONS for Blacks are on the table or anything. It's not like Democrats haven't been complicitly signing over our civil liberties and standing up with the CBC when we're disenfranchised.

So what the heck is this sudden hypocritical fuss about Buchanan's possible, probable racism?

The damn country is burning. The damn world is blowing up as a result of the vicious US/UK/Israel axis of evil so I don't care who is holding the hose up with me anymore as long as their intention is to put that neo-fire out.

((And no M, rant not directed at you, I know you're Black too and not keener re racism than I am but it's posted in general after reading this thread))

[DemBones DemBones]

58. Well said, ma cher amie. nt

[CindyDale]

59. You sound like you've been brainwashed

Which can happen easily enough nowadays. It happens to me sometimes, too.

The problem was the oil companies wanting to take Saddam out and corporate interests like Halliburton, not the liberals or the Jewish neocons.

No one goes to war over ideology. Ever.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. That's Nice..

but Dr. King said "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"...

Pat Buchanan is a unreconstructed bigot who would if he had his way send black folks back to Africa, gay folks to Hell, non-white immigrants back to the country of their birth, feminists back to the kitchen and leftists god knows where...


Oh by the way Pat Buchanan voted for Bush* and pimped the calumny peddled by the Swift Boat liars

Why did Pat Buchanan vote for Bush?

Because he hates Jews, gays, blacks, Mexicans, and feminists more than he can ever hate empire...

If Pat speaks the truth our two hundred plus year experiment in self government is over... Find the tree where they hanged John Brown and hang me there too because I don't want to live in such a place...

[Carni]

61. Bay is his SISTER?

I thought all this time that she was his wife?

I had no idea she was PB's sister.

My opinion...when push comes to shove I don't think the man is as stupid, or EVIL as Bush.

[CindyDale]

62. We'd prefer a bigot who is INTELLIGENT in office?

*screams a screamy scream that puts Dean to shame*

So he can do worse stuff and get away with it?

God help this country.

[Carni]

65. "Worse stuff"

Nixon's admin couldn't hold a candle to bush's.

WTF does Dean's scream have to do with this BTW?

[CindyDale]

66. Nixon's dead

Nothing, just thought I would throw it in. I like to show off my scream. I was actually hired to scream somewhere once.

[Tinoire]

67. Yeah... Sister and campaign manager

Do not ever get in an argument with Angela "Bay" Buchanan. Guaranteed to be unpleasant ;)

[CatWoman]

63. hey, chick -- I'm loving this post

rant on sister, rant on!!!!

:hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. Well

"Pat Buchanan can come sit at my Black table anyday as can several Republicans who are aware of the danger this country is in. I will not however, under any circumstances, break bread with those who are enabling the crimes of our generation either through their support or their complicit silence no matter where in the political spectrum they stand."


I can assure you that if there's a white table and a black table Pat Buchanan will sit at the white table unless there happens to be some gay Spanish Jews sitting at it...

In that case he would sit by himself...