Kerry: Way Ahead of the Curve

[kerrygoddess]

Way Ahead of the Curve
15 February 2005

Speaking with defense reporters today, John Kerry put the Bush administration on notice. Referencing his speech yesterday, in Worcester, MA, Kerry discussed the legislation he will introducing to permanently increase the size of the military and boost benefits for military families.

“I think my security proposals for the country were smack on, dead on,” Kerry said. “I think that had they started to do the things I proposed on Iraq when I proposed them, we would be far better off today. And they are in fact now trying to do some of the things that I proposed.

Reflecting on the presidential campaign, Kerry said he had proposed “a far more effective way to make America safer.” And, he said, he was “way ahead of the curve” on several areas — like the position of an intelligence chief, the creation of the commission to investigate the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and an increase in the military death gratuity — while “the president dragged his feet.”

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=378

[DenverDem]

1. Kerry also WON THE FREAKING ELECTION.

amerikkka is synonymous with FRAUD.

[FreedomAngel82]

2. Is anything going on with the election fraud still?

Anything new going on?

[flpoljunkie]

6. Christopher Hitchens to write about suspect Ohio results in Vanity Fair's

March issue. Anyone know if it is on sale yet?

[CottonBear]

8. I just got it in the mail on Monday.

It's a pretty good article. Hitchens has his moments of sanity.

[flpoljunkie]

16. Thanks.

[Adelante]

31. It would be best if he stayed off television

But his articles are usually good. Not to agree with everything he says, but I enjoy reading what he writes.

[SharonRB]

19. Yes -- it's been out since last week, I believe.

Daily Kos posted most of the article last week sometime.

[merh]

43. It is on sale and a great article.

Let me find the link here that has some snippets.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=325728

[merh]

45. The Vanity Fair article is very good on the election fraud in Ohio.

(see link below to thread with snippets). Also the federal case in Ohio is still pending. It was filed by Glibs & K/E campaign joined in. They are trying to get the court to order and inspection of the voting equipment and depositions of vendors.

Also, outgoing DNC chair committed monies of the DNC to investigate the "irregularities" in Ohio. Supposedly they were to hire experts in elections and computers to review the noted irregularites.

Also, FBI is supposedly investigating the County in Ohio that had the stickers on the ballots.

Things are still happening, the corporate media whores just don't like to cover it. If quiet helps the investigation, then why should I complain.

[FreedomAngel82]

52. I'm glad it's quiet personally

That way when there's all the proof and filings and stuff done it can come blasted out and a "shock and awe" type of thing. I also think it means the people on this can do a lot of work with voting fraud without any of those "riots" like in 2000 and nobody can throw around the "sore loser" title on Kerry.

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[Selatius]

10. Even if Kerry won Ohio, he still lost the pop. vote by 3,500,000 nationwid

[ginnyinWI]

12. but you don't need to win the popular vote to be president! n/t

[flpoljunkie]

13. One might be able to dispute that figure, too. As goes Ohio, so goes FL

and other crucial states to a Bush victory. I put nothing past these people. Proving it is another story with all votes--be they punch card, opti-scan or touchscreen--fed into hackable central tabulating computers--and apparently leaving not a trace.

This must be fixed for 2006!

[DELUSIONAL]

17. Due to Election FRAUD

Check out Truth IS ALL threads on the exit polls.

There is a whole lot of research to support the fact that the election was hacked by the bush gang.

When ALL the glitches and errors are for bush -- this is a clue that something is WRONG. This is the sort of crap one finds in third world voting -- along with only one candidate standing for election. There was only going to ONE outcome to the 2004 election.

see the following: Exit polls were right -- Kerry WON
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x327326


Amazing -- I get to use my ignore button twice in the same thread.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. actually only a 3 million pop. vote margin

a little over 3 million.... http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/national.php?f=0

[saracat]

14. And some believe that Repuke controlled voting machines weren't

tampered with in a closely contested battleground state! Some believe it was normal for voters to wait ten hours in the cold and rain. Some even believe that all Democrats vote in the morning and only republicans vote at night! And the most amazing thing of all, some of them believe that Bush won an honest election!
Thank god more and more people are realizing that isn't true.Maybe then there is some hope to fix the system. No one did anything about election reform before 2004 because these same people thought Bush won in 2000 because these kind of things don't happen in America!

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[thebigidea]

28. considering that you've posted here thousands of times...

... shouldn't "DUers" also include you? Or are you not actually a DUer, just someone who despises them to the tune of nearly 9k posts?

[merh]

44. Apparently you are ignorant of the facts!

:shrug:

ps - I saw the superbowl halftime show and that mccartney thing may not be too far off! <<sarcasm>>

[ginnyinWI]

3. Preach it, John! Make them rue the day they voted for Bush. n/t

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[politicasista]

7. If Kerry did vote for that

I smell some Kerry bashers, Clarkies and Deaniacs comming in here. :shrug: :scared:

[ginnyinWI]

9. or worse. n/t

[Laurab]

56. I think it was worse - whoever it was was tombstoned n/t

[flpoljunkie]

11. Bill Nelson said earlier on CNN that he expected everyone would vote yes.

We are at $300 billion and counting in the "War on Terror"--way too much of it blown up in Iraq in ill-conceived Neocon dreams. I fervently hope the Iraqis can claim their country and have some kind of future without Saddam and without U.S. occupation and permanent military bases.

The Iraqis and our troops have suffered too much for this to come to civil war. Let's hope it does not.

[Adelante]

32. Why do you say that so often?

You're gratuitously insulting people who worked damned hard for Kerry.

If I hadn't seen this so many times, I wouldn't think anything of it, but Jeez, why make enemies? Seriously, I don't get it.

I have great respect for Senator Kerry. That won't change.

[Skwmom]

59. This has nothing to do with Clark or Dean.

And everything to do with the fact that Kerry is nothing more than a political opportunist who would do and say anything to get elected.

[sadiesworld]

20. "Permanently increase the size of the military..."?!

When the PNAC crowd calls for this DUers are outraged, but it is a GOOD THING when Kerry calls for it?! :eyes:

[sandnsea]

21. For different purposes

A NEW military, which is totally being missed. His speech wasn't primarily about Iraq, it was about ALL the challenges we face, including in places like Darfur. Funny how some people get angry at Bush for mixing up Iraq and terrorism, but turn around and do the same thing when they want to bash Kerry.


http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=375

[sadiesworld]

23. Yeah, I get it....

terra, terra, terra.

[sandnsea]

25. Yeah, I get it too

It's all a CIA conspiracy plot.

"Whaaaa! Why don't they vote for me mommy!!!!" :eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Gotta keep the "defense" industry lobbyists happy.

And, all that money flowing into the DNC coffers so that they can run "liberal" militarists.

[sandnsea]

27. How would that be?

He isn't calling for any money to go into the defense industry. He's calling for peacekeeping troops and assistance to the troops we've got. If anybody read what the man said, they'd know that. Easier to sit on the sidelines, make hysterical accusations, and wonder why nobody listens to you.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Uhhh...unless those troops are going to do their "peacekeeping"

in the nude and unarmed, and buy their own meals, pay for their own tickets to whereever the "peacekeeping" is going to take place, and do it without the support of artillery or aircraft, or, unless the defense industry that supplies all those things start to "patriotically" do it for free, they'll make their usual outlandish sums of money.

I did read what the man said. Same old "look at me, I'm strong on defense" blather so beloved by ambitious politicans with few ethics.

"Sitting on the sidelines"? What branch of the military are you in?

[sandnsea]

35. And what's your solution?

It obviously isn't anything to do with the military, so what the hell difference does my branch of service make?

What's your plan for Darfur? East Timor? Liberia? Myanmar?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. How about UN peacekeepers under UN control?

The USA could supply their share of the troops that are needed as peacekeepers from the ones that are brought back from Iraq after the Democrats refuse to vote for more funding for them.

As for the "branch of the military", you're the one talking about "sitting on the sidelines". Since you infer that you're not doing so, I'm enquiring as to your position inside the sidelines.

[sandnsea]

41. Here we go again

The magical UN peacekeepers who don't exist in the numbers necessary, and who would also need every single thing you listed previously. That is exactly what John Kerry is talking about anyway, or did you miss how many times he got slammed during the campaign for saying we had to work with the UN and the international community.

I do plenty, thank you very much. I have since the day I volunteered to help kids in my class learn to read when I was in 3rd grade.

[iwantmycountryback]

49. Yes, because god forbids Dems should convince voters

that they are strong on defense, and therefore ya know, win elections. We wouldn't to actually win, it's better to be powerless and just bitch and moan about everything.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. What about your vote for the war John?

Pathetic.

[leftofthedial]

26. way ahead of the curve

in concession speeches too!

W-A-Y ahead

[LittleClarkie]

38. Despite what "conventional wisdom" says, I don't think it was so damn fast

It was kind of slow, actually. Came in second slowest of the concession speeches of my lifetime.

I wish someone could specifically explain to me what he could have done instead, rather than the vague "fight!" Fight how, to what end. Did we want a revolution? A civil war? Did we think our "work within the system" candidate was suddenly going to turn into a radical?

[leftofthedial]

42. we already have a civil war--we're getting our asses kicked

and hell yes. many of us do want a revolution.

[LittleClarkie]

46. I don't people who want a revolution or a civil war

have any idea what that would look like.

Are we talking all-out bloody war? Or are we talking civil disobedience? Are we talking violence, is what I'm asking?

[leftofthedial]

47. Refusal to accept vote fraud would be a good start

Refusal to become an accomplice to an illegal occupation would be another

Refusal to abet treason by our "leaders" would be yet another

Refusal to throw good money after bad, in the light of blatant corruption and "lost" billions from the last big check we wrote them would probably be in order

Acting like opposition to a fascist cabal wouldn't be too much to ask, would it?

Instead we get acquiescence and cooperation and appeasement and even support.

[JHBowden]

29. I'm not thrilled about this.

We need a strong military, but "being ahead of the curve" entails recovering the billions lost in the DOD due to fraud, waste, and abuse.

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[LittleClarkie]

34. It's sort of a big "ppppppfffffffffftttttttttttthhhhhhhht" at Bush innit

"We wouldn't be in this mess if they have elected me. Hey Bush (poke, poke, poke) ya think they have buyer's remorse yet"

I hope he keeps running his mouth like this. He annoyed Rush today. I figure if Rush bothers to talk about you, you're being annoying enough to the Right to at least be noticed. And that, as Martha would say, is a good thing.

[ginnyinWI]

36. yup

:) :toast:

[lojasmo]

39. Sort of a big "pffffft" in general....not much else. N/T

[LittleClarkie]

40. Nah, I'm sure it's annoying the hell out of the Bushbots

At least I hope so.

[lojasmo]

48. I sure as hell doubt that they give a fuck

If kerry thinks he's way ahead of the curve.

[LittleClarkie]

51. If Rush was blathering on about it on his show

they give a fuck, or he wouldn't have bothered, trust me.

[lojasmo]

54. Or maybe they realize just how stupid it is

For kerry to be blathering about how far "ahead of the curve" he is when he lost so miserably in the election.

[LittleClarkie]

55. How does truth change to a lie because of a loss

Rather like some RW pundits claiming that the loss made the SBVT correct in thier assertions.

In both cases, the loss to Bush (which may or may not have been a loss, and was only miserable when one thinks of the countless people who were disenfranchised so that Bush COULD "win") does not validate Bush's view of the world. In defeat, Kerry could indeed be correct about what Bush should be doing in Iraq.

Or are you saying that the win makes Bush correct in Iraq, considering he has that "mandate" and all.

[lojasmo]

58. I don't think that Bush's win invalidates the REALITY of Kerry's claim....

Simply the legitimacy of Bush's PERCEPTION of Kerry's relevancy.

Kerry's crowing about how "ahead of the curve" he is APPEARS foolish.

It's like the loser of the superbowl claiming that their defense was superior.....it's just seems quite silly.....in fact, I believe it IS silly.

[Laurab]

57. Exactly

much as some people like to think no one "gives a fuck" what Kerry says or does, they do. The fact that the pundits bash him means THEY care. THEY care because there are a whole lot of people who still do listen to John Kerry, and respect his opinion. There are a whole lot of people who would be surprised by the notion that he "betrayed us", "conceded too fast", "didn't fight the fraud", "ate the wrong thing for breakfast", et al, because they don't hang out on DU and aren't privy to all the information people here have. I have a huge family, all of whom voted for Kerry, none of who feel he did any of the things he's accused of daily on here. They are pretty much just in the mainstream, as are most voters. While I share a lot of things I learn on here with them, they're just not as interested in much of it. They're smart enough to hate *, and to know Kerry would have made a good president, and I'm sure there are many people just like them, who just don't realize how badly Kerry behaves daily...or is it hourly?

edited for spelling.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

50. "...today...John Kerry put the Bush Administration on notice."

15 February 2005

[marcologico]

53. Meanwhile Rummy sets up a clandestine op to assassinate the guys they just

elected because they're too close to Iran, DOH. Not only are the NeoClowns criminals they're getting to be downright embarrassing.