Boy! Ed just had a bee under his collar. S.S. vs privatization.

[MissMarple]

"What don't you people understand!"

So, private retirement accounts are one issue, changing the essential structure and purpose of social security is another. And doing anything at this point of fiscal crisis that George has gotten us into is just plain stupid.

I think that's what he meant. I was busy and didn't catch it all. But, I just love it when he doesn't molly coddle idiots who listen mostly to Faux, right wing talk, and drink lots of koolaid.

[LSparkle]

1. I was screaming at my radio

Clinton wanted to FIX Social Security NOT PRIVATIZE IT! He wanted to make it SOLVENT for the "out" years, not turn the surplus over to Wall Street or raid the Trust Fund to pay for tax cuts. All the guy seemed to have heard was that at one time Clinton wanted to "reform" Social Security ... "So why are the Democrats objecting when * pushes for the 'same thing' now?" He was a Koolaid drinker parroting talking points ...

[rodeodance]

2. so, did Ed set him straight??

[dweller]

7. he's got a flat spot on his head now

:spank: :spank: :spank:


lol, it's days like this it pays to listen to Big Eddie.

dp

[rodeodance]

4. the goal of Repugs is exactly as you said above. I hear it all the time.

[BigBearJohn]

3. Yeah, I heard him too. He was definitely "ON"

the puke that called was an idiot. It still amazes me
how utterly stupid people can be... totally dumbfounds me.

[rodeodance]

5. they listen to Fox et all and internalize the lies--it is not a lie to

them.

[rodeodance]

6. the Repugs are making the link between Bush plan and Clinton plan like

they made the link between Iraq and al-quida. It worked then and they hope to make it work again. Expect to hear it again and again and again

[MissMarple]

8. Neither Clinton or Moynihan would support George's fiasco.

I googled and found this. I think it clears things up a bit for when we talk with kool aid drinkers. We should keep this information out and about in the threads.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31333-2005Jan23.html

"But neither Mankiw nor Bolten cited another passage from the same address: "Before we spend a penny on new programs or tax cuts, we should save Social Security first. I think it should be the driving principle . . . Do not have a tax cut. Do not have a spending program that deals with that surplus. Save Social Security first."
...
"President Clinton did believe it was better for the country to act early on Social Security by increasing savings and protecting Social Security's guaranteed benefit structure," said Gene B. Sperling, who directed Clinton's National Economic Council during the Social Security push. "Clinton never suggested that the Social Security solvency challenge required radical restructuring."
...
An Oct. 22, 2001, memo from Treasury economic policy aide Kent Smetters to O'Neill said Moynihan backed a Social Security restructuring plan that would layer small personal investment accounts on top of the existing Social Security system rather than diverting taxes from the system. Under the Moynihan approach, individuals could contribute an additional 1 percent of their earnings into an investment account, which would then be matched by the federal government from general tax revenue.

That "add-on" approach has become mainstream policy for the Democratic Party, but it is a major departure from the approach Bush has embraced."