These idiots are going to get us all killed! Will someone stop them!!!

[givemebackmycountry]

I am LIVID!

I'm literally ready to punch my fist THROUGH A WALL!

I've been up since 9:00 last night working.
I get home at about 9:15 this morning, and I lug my dry cleaning upstairs.

I turn on the boob tube and man, is that term NOT FREAKING MORE APPROPRIATE NOW THAN EVER!!

I stumble across CNN.

They are doing a story on... who cares, it wasn't important anyway.

Then I hit MSNBC and the first thing I hear is some Breck shampoo asshole talking to what's her name from the Washington Post.
Robin whoever the hell she is.

Breck boy is saying...

"So, it looks like Syria and Iran are in deep trouble with the United States" and I think.

My God, the drum beat has started!

They ARE serious.
They ARE going to take us to WAR with Syria and Iran and we are going to GET OUR ASSES KICKED!
Then we are probably going to drop a NUKE or two and PLEASE will someone out there convince me that THE MONKEY won't nuke these two countries!!

Will the coward kill hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of innocent people to get at a handful of fanatics!

I am SICK and FILLED with RAGE at what our country has become!

AND IT SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME!!

EVERY OTHER STORY is about MICHAEL JACKSON who means NOTHING!

My name says it all and I am ready to SNAP!!!!

GIVE ME BACK MY COUNTRY!!!!!!

[Deja Q]

1. If there is any 'compassionate conservatism', it is in the form of

utter thermonuclear Armageddon.

* peak oil
* corporate greed
* out of control expenses
* selfishness
* the failure of the 60s counterculture attempt
* off shoring and devaluation of existing jobs

There is no future. We all need to make peace with out God(s) and be ready. Peacefully. Those who want violence are doing it for us. Right 43x2? (32 times 2 equals 86, BTW)


On edit: Yeah, I'm a pessimist, but Reagan sowed the seeds of our destruction in terms of ditching alternative energy using a claim of "obsolescence", amongst other obvious signs of dementia)

[Guaranteed]

2. They think attacking Iran and Syria is going to be just like

Iraq. Boy, are they ever wrong about that.

I don't know much about Syria, but I hear that Iran is a HELLUVA lot stronger than Iraq was, as far as their military is concerned. Not to mention that we are weaker, what with all of our troops tied up in Iraq.

This is pretty stupid. YOu're right, we could lose.

[ArkDem]

3. Iran and Iraq fought to a standstill in an 8 year war.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. Yeah, but Iraq has fought two wars with us since.

Iran has not

[knight_of_the_star]

10. That was in the 80s

More than enough time to recover from that.

[Phoebe_in_Sydney]

54. And Vietnam

...had been at war with France for many years before the US decided it would be a straightforward proposition to kick their asses too.

[Guaranteed]

11. That was before the sanctions, too. nt

[Ladyhawk]

44. Right, the sanctions essentially defanged Iraq. n/t

[DrWeird]

67. The United States is losing a two year war

against Iraq right now.

[givemebackmycountry]

7. I'm scared, I'm really scared.

Since the Chimps inauguration, I have seen a decidedly noticeable drop in "hard" news coverage on the MSM networks.

Every 10 minutes on MSNBC and CNN it's a Michael Jackson update.
Reporters in front of the hospital that this freak is hiding in.

WHY IS HE IMPORTANT!

Why are they not crawling all over the crimes that the MONKEY has committed in the name of "freedom and liberty"???

I mean it.

I'm scared. And I think I need a stiff drink and some sleep.

Sadly, when I wake up I know things will still be the same.

Maybe we need to destroy this great country so we can start anew.

I hate these bastards.

[ladjf]

14. M. Jackson either is a pervert or he isn't.

Who in the Hell gives a damn?

[txaslftist]

12. Naw...conventionally, 2nd gen. warfare we beat Iran...

It's not "we could lose". It's "we cannot possibly reap any benefit from a victory" against Iran.

Once the 2nd generation warfare is over, Iran's response is fourth generation warfare, and we cannot possibly secure or profit from victory under such circumstances.

As for Syria, didn't they just enter some kind of "mutual defense pact" with Iran?

In other words, isn't war with one war with both?

[Ariana Celeste]

24. Yes, they did exactly that. (Check LBN) eom.

So you are right. It would be war with both.

We would most likely need to draft if we went to war with them. My little brother is turning 18 soon, and my man is 21. I'm freaking out, for real. :scared:

[Skittles]

23. it's not just that

Iraq is smaller with a relatively FLAT terrain, and a pretty much non-existent military. NONE OF THIS IS TRUE WITH IRAN.

[zann725]

51. Where are they going to get all the soldiers?

Maybe that's why they don't care if our economy 'tanks.' They plan on making us a "Soldier Nation." Hungry and jobless enough to all enlist...regardless of age.

[Guaranteed]

52. LOL that's pretty stupid of them.

The last thing they want to do is destroy the middle class. They forgot their Marx.

[andyhappy]

4. dont worry bro!

the rapture is gonna hook us up!

[sinkingfeeling]

5. I feel the same way every day. Doctor says it's depression!

I want my country back. I want something to take the power away from these completely insane idiots. If they insist on being 'raptured', let them hang themselves, but leave the rest of us alone to establish peace and decency in the world!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. my wish for ALL republicans and ALL those that voted for bush*........

MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!
AND LET ME REITERATE
MAY YOU ALL DIE FROM YOUR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT KILLS US ALL!

[ladjf]

15. I thought that it was interesting that here in Georgia,

a hotbed of W lovers, the new budget will decimate the aviation
business at Lockheed in Marietta, GA, and seriously damage the farmers
by the reduced subsidies. I wonder if any of them are sorry about their support of Bush now. Probably not. They will have another fantasy explanation. "It's the turest fault".

[txaslftist]

8. We can't stop them.

Res. 1441 authorizes the use of force for basically anthing Iraq related.

GWB has been claiming that Syria has been permitting their terrorists to cross into Iraq as 'insurgents' and attack US troops. We've been saying the same thing about Iran.

Res. 1441 gives Shrub the congressional OK to attack either one of the two countries on that basis alone. Combine that with the assassination and our response to it, the continuous overflights of our drones over Iran to spy on their nuke facilities and our continued insistence that Iran is trying to build a nuke...

So no...that isn't the sound of the drums of war being beaten in the distance. It is the sound of marching boots. War is already in the works.

See you in the next life, my friend.

[Riding this Donkey]

20. Are you sure that Res 1441 is still in effect?

How long is that for? Does anyone know if it was just about Iraq?
First term only? What is the truth on 1441?

[flyarm]

21. wait ..i thought res 1441 was with the un not our congress

and our congress only gave * permission to go to war with a time line...it was like come back in 60 or 90 days..of which * did not do..he did it after the fact of starting this war with iraq..after the bombs flew he met with congress...
1441..i do not belive had anything to do with our congress but with the u.n.

correct me please if i am wrong!

fly

[Emboldened Chimp]

39. We violated Res 1441 because there are no WMDs...

Not that anyone will stop us or anything, but the only reason 1441 existed was for the elimination of WMDs. Since there are none, the Res., I would think, becomes null and void.

[ladjf]

13. Anyone who can get their hands on a small nuke warhead

can mount it into a short range, deck launched missile is able to
target any coastal American city. If and when that happens, we won't have the foggiest idea of who did it. (Iran has submarines and have successfully launched intermediate from the deck. But, they are by no means the only ones capable of such an attack.)


Now if one of our coastal cities is obliterated and we have no idea as to who did it, what then? We totally lost our sh.. over 3,000 in New York. What about a few million deaths?

Our Government isn't being realistic about the jeopardy in which they are putting us. For all of their talk about being strong on defense, they are the worst disaster we've ever had in that regard. They are
causing numerous Countries to have retaliatory ideas about us where there were none before. For instance, certain political processes are occurring in South America as a result of our continued bellicosity.
Brazil and Venezuela , for example. All over the world, people are developing plans for how to stop the brutal madness being exported by Bushco.

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[ladjf]

18. It requires no military knowledge

to understand that thousands of ship ply the waters off our coast
outside the U.S. territorial waters. There are dozens of Countries that have short and intermediate range missiles. How much knowledge does it require to understand that one of those missiles with a nuke
head could be lob 50 miles to our cities in just a few minutes.
We weren't able to even overtake the 9-11 hijacked planes. How could we protect every coastal city 24-7 every day of the year forever?

You ignorance of our vulnerability bothers me.

[Bridget Burke]

29. Hey, a small nuke or dirty bomb could fit into a cargo container easily...

And most containers coming into our ports are NOT inspected.

Too expensive, you know!

[MHalblaub]

61. I thought that as the most possible way for an attack before 9-11

It is impossible to control a containers before they are in an US port.

Yes, I know that there are now new and stricter regulations for cargo controls even in foreign ports which trade with the US. But no system is perfect. How do you think all that stuff like cocaine, grass or heroin comes to the US? I think a great part goes via TEU. Some money here some money there... Quite easier if you just need some money there because your freight doesn't need to go through customs.

[MountainLaurel]

69. Don't even need a dirty bomb

All sorts of ships carrying vast amounts of deadly chemicals can be found in any U.S. port any day of the week. A small amount of conventional explosives on a ship carrying chlorine gas in Miami and within a couple hours you've got a few million dead. I've heard terrorism experts raise such possibilities over and over, but the Bushistas weren't listening to them before 9-11, so why would the administration start now?

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[Guaranteed]

53. We fit one in the Enola Gay.

A fairly small plane could do the job.

[Cats Against Frist]

19. But we're completely expendable -- 3,000 or 3 million

And even if 3 mil were wiped out, that still leaves - what -- about 277 million to scaremonger, dominate, imprison, lead by their delusions...

They don't care about "one coastal city." That only helps them.

[txaslftist]

26. Betcha its a blue city...

[txaslftist]

28. Actually nukes are supposed to be forensically traceable...

...to the uranium used to make them. Ergo, I don't think Bush will actually use an American nuke.

I wouldn't put selling an old Russian one to the terra-ists past them, though. Not if it can be timed to extend the length of the Bush Reich.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Don't forget also

our boarders are still unprotected and not being protected enough. Especially in these times when BushCo are going around bullying everybody. :scared:

[earth mom]

17. I'm scared too. It feels uneasily like the calm before the storm...

:scared:

[candy331]

22. Does he need permission from congress to declare war on Syria

or Iran? If not can Congress still say no way, if so how will the Democrats stand on this, this time?

[txaslftist]

27. He won't need permission if we provoke them into starting it...

...or pony up bogus intel saying they already have.

Suppose Iran takes to shooting down our unmanned drones and hits a piloted plane instead? Do you think we'd ever admit it was in their airspace?

Oh no. We'd say it was in Iraq's (our) airspace and take it as an act of war.

So many ways to spin this into war if he wants to, and I'm convinced he wants to...

[bush_is_wacko]

25. I wish I could tell you you are wrong. I would sure make me feel

better if I could believe that bushitler would not do EXACTLY as you have suggested.

I don't think we will actually even have to send troops over there to start a battle. The posturing of this administration is enough to make them try and strike us preemptively.

I'm sorry I don't have a better position to take. Prayers are in order. I don't know how much more this situation can take before bombs start flying everywhere.

We are in trouble!

:scared:

[dandrhesse]

30. its all coming together, the shit is going to hit the fan any time now...

big time. Coincidence that the Gannon/Guckert story broke, Hannity is critcizing Kerry for never being in combat (hello the election was in Nov and bush supposedly got his mandate) Russia is letting only russian companies buy into the pipeline going through russia, australia is getting ready to sell arms to the chinese, bill frist of all people said he doesn't think the american people are going to go for the soc sec overhaul deal.

Get ready because it is all gonna blow. Things are starting to happen fast and furious we haven't begun to see the show. If there is one thing you can count on it is this: if thinks bush is going down they are gonna start jumping ship faster than you can blink an eye. They may have finally hung themselves and, no one wants to be associated with a loser, much less go to jail. The nukes are not gonna happen. Kerry and other Senators have been visiting the regions and reading the situation. The whole foreign relations committee could know what's going down for all we know.

[bush_is_wacko]

32. I agree the shit is hitting the fan. It makes me even MORE worried!

bushhitler is NOT going to go EASILY. That man is DELUSIONAL and he scares the hell out of me. I said this before the election and I'll say it again.

In order to remove this man from office it is going to take a bulldozer to knock down the locked doors inside the White House and he will have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the White House by armed guards. He has NO dignity. He will not quietly step off into oblivion like Nixon did. This man PLANNED to invade Iraq BEFORE he ever even ran for office and he has virtually locked himself and his administration behind closed doors for the entire duration of his first term and now his second term. He speaks to no one. He has TOTAL control of our White House. Having said all that I'm not so sure he won't escalate things in retaliation for the beating he is about to take.

Sounds far fetched. I don't think so anymore. Think of what Saddam Hussein has done for the past 20 years. Think of what Hitler did and how long it took to get him.

Our government may literally have to operate from another location until they can get bush to remove himself from his delusional fantasies.

[dandrhesse]

41. a little bit of hope

has it crossed your mind that he is small potatoes in the big picture to the backers behind him? He has brought them more than a little limelight and generally speaking that is a grave error in those circles, maybe they have cut him loose? If that is the case, it won't matter whether or not he wants to go, he may have been "elected" to be the fall guy.

[bush_is_wacko]

45. That's what eventually happened with Nixon and I'm sure that will be what

happens here too, but let me just say the Bush's aren't really small potato's in this mess. They truly do represent the unknowns at play. They have ties to all the right banks, terrorists and oil.

They also can name a whole lot of names and I think that is what is stalling this process.

I'll never forget the email I got from a Republican that said he didn't want to have to support Kerry's mansion. All I could think to say was OMG do you have a clue how many bush mansions we are supporting/guarding for all eternity, not to mention the presidential libraries (plural)full of hogwash?!

[dandrhesse]

64. agreed lots of connections but what has been done and how it has

been handled was just plain stupid. I don't think "they" are going to go down with the ship, I bet there is a whole lot of pleading going on somewhere.

[bush_is_wacko]

65. You are right I don't think the unspoken, unseen, unheard of are

going to take the heat. "They" will have to force an end to the situation so "they" don't get exposed. I still think bush isn't going to go as easily as Nixon did and Nixon was most certainly on the edge of insanity when "they" told him to get out.

Russia is basically saying bush is a liar and Iran does not have the nuclear capacity he says they do. Putin is giving them help with their nuclear reactor so he may just be saying that to be able to continue to make money, but I don't think so. I think he KNOWS Iran isn't pursuing them. I think leaders are going to start calling bush out. I can't remember what Putin said about Iraq, but he isn't backing down on Iran for sure. If leaders start making an effort to tell EVERYONE that bush is lying in order to go to war "they" are going to have to get him the heck out of the White House.

Russia has more to fear from Iran than we do IMO, so why would Putin be willing to lie if Iran was developing nuclear weapons?

[FreedomAngel82]

48. Is that true about Frist?

He's going against something Bush wants to do? :crazy:

[dandrhesse]

70. not verified

given to me by my mom who humors my dad watching tv alllllll the time since his stroke 6 years ago. Mom said she about fell out of her chair when she heard Frist say something like "the american people don't want this(meaning change in soc sec) and it has a long way to go" or something to that effect. The point was he wasn't cheerleading as usual for bush.

Then she said that O'Reilly(sp?) has been just funky the last few days saying stuff that is real out of character. She thinks they are all jerks but she was shocked at their comments and said something is afoot.

[oecher3]

31. so, now what?

Well unfortunately the IRAN talks have been thick for weeks. But Syria now, too. Seriously, who does Bush think he is that he can invade two more countries without anybody else starting to call it non-defensive aggression.
Would there be a way to protest this out loud early enough before they start calling the shots?

[txaslftist]

34. He doesn't care.

If anyone calls it naked aggression.

He sees this as his legacy, creating pro-US democracies throughout the middle east.

This is an idealogical crusade.

[oecher3]

35. BUT HE IS NO NATION-BUILDER LIKE AL GORE, THAT mr. bush!

He is a region builder? religion builder? US empire builder?
But if it helps, I think the plans that have leaked through on Iran indicate that the administrations plan is to take out the Iranian leaders by assissination rather than through invasion, or maybe start a coupe. So no need for big troups there. Wow, too bad they installed the wrong guy in Iraq, because their first choice leaked too much info to Iran about this plan. But I guess we'll have to see how they actually take Iran, maybe brute force method isn't out of the question after all!

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[Carolab]

50. C'mon you guys--get that little gold star by your screen names! n/t

[SoCalifer]

36. Givemebackmycountry

My concern is right there where yours is. I am very concerned about what these Fascists have up their sleeve next. It appears to me that they ARE laying the foundation of ratcheting up the conflict in the middle east.

It is my opinion that they tend to cut a swath through all the middle east, and if it takes using the "nuclear option" to do it. I believe they will not hesitate doing just that.

We HAVE to organize. We can't just sit here and watch, we have to at least try and do something..


http://www.ericblumrich.com/nuke.html << (Flash Video)

[jbnow]

38. I put nothing beyond them.

I knew Iran was in their sites...they are in the way between Iraq and our oil lines in Afghanistan.

I'd look at map and think how Syria would be handy with that coast line too, but I wasn't hearing much about them.

That assassination came in handy for us. It's so ironic to hear how Syria needs to withdraw immediately since their presence is obviously not bringing peace or security. Like we bring Iraq?

Do they know we don't have soldiers for their made up wars?

[PassingFair]

42. The PNAC "exit strategy" has ever been...

escalation.

Don't worry, I'm sure that Daddy knows what he's doing.

:nuke: :scared:

[jbnow]

43. The problem is

our sarcasm is a lot of people's truth.

They'll worry some but know daddy cowboy godling bush will protect america.

[CrispyQ]

40. I think the Dim-son & his cronies are just itchin' to:

1. Declare martial law

2. Institute the draft

3. Nuke someone

[IronLionZion]

47. If they really want to attack Iran and Syria

they'll just do it and let the consequences be damned. That's why we need a Democratic takeover hella soon. The "big tent 50 state party" is gonna whip some elephant ass and take our country back.

We could go even further, but that's wishful thinking. Death is too good for Bush and his cronies. I want them to be poor and powerless and humiliated.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

49. Aaron Brown of CNN had a Dog on.

A real dog.

really.

[Phoebe_in_Sydney]

55. If telling people bad news doesn't rate

.. then who in the corporate media wants to tell 'em?

Scandalous news, like Jacko, yeah. That rates.

Worrying-you-sick kind of news like the threat of a war that doesn't seem easy to win (like we were convinced the last one would be)... well, the folks don't want to hear stuff like that. Just mention it quickly and move on.

[Disturbed]

56. War with Syria and Iran not gonna happen.

China and Russia do biz. with Iran. Russia does biz. with Syria. Iran has missles aimed at the U.S. bases in Iraq and subs and sunburn missles to destroy carriers and other ships. Iran has a huge army poised to pur into Iraq. Anyone think that the Shi'ites in Iraq will aid the U.S? A 4 front war is a pipedream. Aint gonna happen.

[Donailin]

57. yesterday on c-span

they were taking impromptu calls during the vote for the bill to raise penalties on media who violate the decency law. Out of the 30 or so callers, over half of them said the same thing: I want my country back!

[shesemsmom]

58. Unfortunately it will not end

until the whole middle east is ablaze

[GOPBasher]

59. We can't possibly do this right now.

Our military is way too overstreched.

[Al-CIAda]

60. Um, they already have....9/11= Inside Job. eom

[TexasLawyer]

62. kick n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

63. You could see this one coming years ago, most sat back watching

During one of the first two Democratic Presidential Candidate Debates he attended Wesley Clark made this statement:

"...This administration's preemptive doctrine is CAUSING North Korea and Iran to ACCELERATE their nuclear weapons development. Now there are some of us who aren't in Washington right now, but I'd like to ask all those who are...lets see some leadership in the United States Congress. Let's see you take apart that doctrine of preemption NOW. I don't think we can wait until November 2004 to change the administration on this threat. We're marching into another military campaign in the Middle East. We need to stop it." --Wesley Clark

[MountainLaurel]

66. Meanwhile the Russians

Are selling missiles to Syria. Wonder who the Syrians are going to use them against?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1242351

[beyurslf]

68. I think the next 4 years are going to be very frightening for any thinking

person in this country... (ie those who voted against GWB)