Why aren't we seeing the anti-war protest music like we had in the 60s?

[quaoar]

Yes, I know there are some anti-war songs out there today -- but not many -- and certainly not like there were during Vietnam.

Are musicians just too afraid of being blackballed and banned from Clear Channel.

[Peak_Oil]

1. You're looking in the wrong places.

Try Slayer.

[ragin_acadian]

10. i haven't heard any slayer since divine intervention

what am i missing?

[Peak_Oil]

12. Every single album they ever did.

n/t

[ragin_acadian]

15. well, i still listen to everything from show no mercy to

divine intervention, i just haven't bought anything since then, did they go anti-bush/anti-war?

[leftofthedial]

2. the mainstream media is now part of the corporate bloc

in the 60s and 70s, the music industry was mostly a bunch of essentially indy companies.

media is propaganda now

[Melodybe]

6. they aren't mainstream they are corporations

seriously we should refer to them as the Corporate Media Cartel or CMC. MSM is so 2004.

However I am in 100% agreement with your post.

Cheers

[firebee]

40. Actually... the Anti War types aren't commercialized

That's why you don't really hear from them or know where to look for them. Here's some anti-war musicians for you.

Jack Johnson
Ben Harper
Eddie Vetter of Pearl Jam
G. Love and Special Sauce
Toots and the Maytals
Julian Marley
Bunny Wailer
Coldplay

Their's more I can come up with if I look around a little more, but bottom line... anti war singers got axed from the mainstream media, so anti war musicians seem pretty hard to come by.

[Maple]

3. It's not the 60s

and there isn't any appetite for 'anti-war protesters'

[98geoduck]

4. We are still living in the 50's. McCarthyism is in full swing.

Give it a few years...and hopefully we won't have another war to protest .

[FrenchieCat]

5. Because things don't happen cause you plan them...

The 60s peace movement was the 60s peace movement. We can't recapture what happened in the past....we are in the present and looking at the future. I'm sure you've heard all of the great slam poetry about the war, Non? If you haven't, you should.

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. Because 5 corporations control the record industry.

And the largest of them, Time-Warner (a.k.a. AOL, CNN, etc) have their heads so far up Junior's ass they can taste what he had for breakfast.

The radio monopolies are another reason. Even if indie artists make an anti-war/Anti-chimp album, it's not likely to get airplay.

There are exceptions, of course. Hell, Green Day just performed "American Idiot" at the Grammys, and that song is blatantly anti Chimp and anti corporate media.

I was actually hoping the one good thing that would come out of Our Long National Nightmare would be the type of music that came out against Nixon during Vietnam, or against Reagan in the 80's. - now that's the shit that got me through high school.

[NV Whino]

8. Because "Rap" does't quite do it?

[MAlibdem]

9. I would refer you to Eninem's "Mosh"

A powerful song.

[NV Whino]

14. Mea Culpa

Haven't heard it. Have to admit I'm an old stick in the mud. I will make an effort to find it and listen. Thanks for the nudge.

[Zhade]

26. Listen to Immortal Technique. you may change your mind.

Listen here: http://www.viperrecords.com/imtech/revolutionary2samples/revolutionary2samples.html

[SoCalDemGrrl]

11. There are plenty of anit-war songs but Clear Channel controls radio..

and we know who controls Clear Channel hence - no airplay. The tentacles of Clear Channel reach to nearly every radio market in the U.S., they literally are the main gatekeeper for music over the airwaves. Ever since deregulation they can and DO own multiple stations in virtually every major market. For example, I believe in San Diego they have a controlling interest in all but 2 of the city's radio stations who have a substantial listening audience.

Remember the boycott of the DIXIE CHICKS for their antiwar stance??
They have bitch-slapped most major record labels into submission with respect to protest music.

[quaoar]

34. Except

I had read recently that Clear Channel had switched a few of its stations to Air America having figuring out they could make money off it.

[Clarkie1]

13. More people died in Vietnam over a longer period.

And it was also wrapped up in the civil rights movement, environmental movement, and the rest of the context of those times.


Bomb the world (armageddon version)

I don't understand the whole reason why
You tellin' us all that we need to unify
Rally round the flag
And beat the drums of war
Sing the same old songs
Ya know we heard 'em all before
You tellin' me it's unpatriotic
But i call it what i see it
When i see it's idiotic
The tears of one mother
Are the same as any other
Drop food on the kids
While you're murderin' their fathers
But don't bother to show it on cnn
Brothers and sisters don't believe them
It's not a war against evil
It's really just revenge
Engaged on the poorest by the same rich men
Fight terrorists wherever they be found
But why you not bombing tim mcveigh's hometown
You can say what you want propaganda television
But all bombing is terrorism

(chorus)

We can chase down all our enemies
Bring them to their knees
We can bomb the world to pieces
But we can't bomb it into peace
Whoa we may even find a solution
To hunger and disease
We can bomb the world to pieces
But we can't bomb it into peace

911
Fire in the skies
Many people died
And no one even really knows why
They tellin' lies of division and fear
We yelled and cried
No one listened for years
But like, "who put us here?"
And who's responsible?
Well, there's no debatin'
Cause if they ask me i say
It's big corporations
World trade organization
Tri-lateral action
International sanctions, satan
Seems like it'll be an endless price tag
Of wars tremendous
And most disturbingly
The death toll is so horrendous
So i send this to those
Who say they defend us
Send us into harm's way
We should all make a rememberence that
This is bigger than terrorism
Blood is blood is blood and um
Love is true vision
Who will listen?
How many songs it takes for you to see
You can bomb the world to pieces
You can't bomb it into peace


(chorus)
Power to the peaceful
And i say, love to the people y'all
Power to the peaceful
And i say, love to the people y'all

(chorus)

-Michael Franti/Spearhead

[SoCalifer]

16. Classic

Mother, mother
There's too many of you crying
Brother, brother, brother
There's far too many of you dying
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today - Ya

Father, father
We don't need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today

Picket lines and picket signs
Don't punish me with brutality
Talk to me, so you can see
Oh, what's going on
What's going on
Ya, what's going on
Ah, what's going on

In the mean time
Right on, baby
Right on
Right on

Father, father, everybody thinks we're wrong
Oh, but who are they to judge us
Simply because our hair is long
Oh, you know we've got to find a way
To bring some understanding here today
Oh

Picket lines and picket signs
Don't punish me with brutality
Talk to me
So you can see
What's going on
Ya, what's going on
Tell me what's going on
I'll tell you what's going on - Uh
Right on baby
Right on baby


Marvin Gaye - What's Going On

[nickgutierrez]

28. Great song.

:thumbsup:

If for no other purpose than to keep the thread on topic, A Perfect Circle released an album on election day '04, called eMotive, that was made up in no small part of reworked protest music. This song, "Imagine", and "Peace, Love, and Understanding" are among the reworked tracks.

[Dr Fate]

17. Some of the folks writing it dont have record contracts.

n/t

[cestpaspossible]

18. Tighter corporate control of radio and other mass distribution.

Sure you can distribute on the internet, but without the 'mass' part of mass media, you never umm, reach a critical mass.

[Deep13]

38. Bingo

They own the media and, therefore, the message.

[flyarm]

19. think dixie chicks..and clear channel owning the biggest block

of radio stations that play the music over clear channel networks!!

fly

[Kinkistyle]

20. Wait until they reinstate the draft.

You think 50 Cent, Ja-Rule, Good Charlotte and Maroon 5 want to go invade Iran? Think again.

EVERY song being produced (with exception to Brittany Spears, Hillary Duff and most country singers) will be anti-war anthems.

[DaveinMD]

21. because new music sucks

[GimmeDANEger]

22. Nothing beats "When the President Talks to God" by Bright Eyes

When the president talks to God
Are the conversations brief or long?
Does he ask to rape our women’s' rights
And send poor farm kids off to die?
Does God suggest an oil hike
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Are the continents all hard or soft?
Is he resolute all down the line?
Is every issue black or white?
Does what God say ever change his mind
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Does he fake that drawl or merely nod?
Agree which convicts should be killed?
Where prisons should be built and filled?
Which voter fraud must be concealed
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
I wonder which one plays the better cop
We should find some jobs. the ghetto's broke
No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't
Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends

When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

When the president talks to God
Does he ever think that maybe he's not?
That that voice is just inside his head
When he kneels next to the presidential bed
Does he ever smell his own bullshit
When the president talks to God?

[quaoar]

35. That's great

I'm going to have to go and find that one.

Never hear it on the radio though.

[DoyBoy]

23. Rock Against Bush

Don't know how many of you have heard of the Rock Against Bush CDs. 2 different CDs with accompanying DVDs. Many different artists on both albums with anti bush/war songs. Good stuff!

Check out Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001WPSM2/104-0786870-9471136?v=glance

[SoCalifer]

24. Remember The Freeper Songs Of The Time?

Here's a classic one... LOL.. :)


We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee;
We don't take no trips on LSD
We don't burn no draft cards down on Main Street;
We like livin' right, and bein' free.

I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all

We don't make a party out of lovin';
We like holdin' hands and pitchin' woo;
We don't let our hair grow long and shaggy,
Like the hippies out in San Francisco do.

And I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee,
A place where even squares can have a ball.
We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
And white lightnin's still the biggest thrill of all.

Leather boots are still in style for manly footwear;
Beads and Roman sandals won't be seen.
Football's still the roughest thing on campus,
And the kids here still respect the college dean.

We still wave Old Glory down at the courthouse,
In Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA.

[rman]

25. 60's youth peace movement made that music

there's no peace movement to speak of now, certainly not comparable to the 60's movement.

[thebigidea]

27. its still here, just more out of tune:

follow the link below for trauma beyond imagining. well, not really.

[La Femme]

29. Green Day

Just a portion of the Green Day - American Idiot lyrics. Very fitting!!!

Don't want to be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new mania.
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mindfuck America.

Well maybe I'm the faggot America.
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.

Don't want to be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's going out to idiot America.

[sendero]

30. Because there's no draft...

... yet.

[Donailin]

31. Because the music industry is corporate controlled

it hasn't been about the art or the message for years now.

[Bridget Burke]

32. Another vote for "There's no DRAFT" (yet)

Opposition to the war in Vietnam was not just opposition to an unjust war. It was opposition to getting your ass shot off in an unjust war. Our fathers fought against fascism--but many young men of my generation realized that Vietnam was different. Even if self-preservation got many involved in the movement, many studied US foreign policy & injustice here & were radicalized.

And, yes, there's more corporate control of music. Radio stations just wanted to play the hits--or make them. A few bucks or a bit of blow might get the record spun a few times--but if they kids didn't start buying it, nothing more.

Topical songs had also been part of "folk music" since the movement's Commie/Pinko beginning. The Kingston Trio & such were quite popular, but the more subversive stuff was still heard. Topical tunes are being written nowadays, but they don't fit any commercial programming format.

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36. Because its not profitable

I work in the corperate office of a CD/DVD retailer in the country and I can tell you for sure that the only reason that their isn't more anti-war material is because there is very little money to be made there.

It used to be that the music determined which artists sold. Now it is that the artists/MTV determine which music sells. Unless more of the main stream acts (like Eminem, Perfect Circle, and Green Day did) decide to become politically conscience no more politically charged music will be made available to those who aren't willing to go look for it.

Remember just after 9/11 artist wanted to make songs about it. So they did and the songs sold. Now they don't want to make anti-war songs for whatever reason...

[SoCalifer]

37. Here's a couple

Anti-War protest videos about Bush.. The first one's a little hard for my taste, but it looks like it's well done, and I am sure the younger crowd will enjoy..


http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/capi001/otep/warhead/video/otep_warhead_300.asx

http://www.chohomio.com/

[Skidmore]

39. Is there an anthology of

protest songs from the 60s & early 70s produced by anyone?

[Zen Democrat]

41. Just start playing Dylan's "Masters of War"