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shunt Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:27 AM
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If you love chomsky....plesae please check out
Norman Finkelstein!!!!

He is the greatest!!!!!

Chomsky's "fate of an honest intellectual" is a fine intro to Finkelstein, but have a look at his page first.

It has tons of fantastic stuff!

www.normanfinkelstein.com


His debate with Dershowitz on DemocracyNow! was priceless...speaking of

I get to meet Amy friday in Dallas!!!!!!!! yaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!

(fun side note: Im going to do some talk shows hopefully next week about sneaking in the super bowl for the 2nd straight year, I emailed prof finkelstein the fox clips and their stories and he lol'd and sent me a 'GO FOR IT!!!!' about messing with their heads in the interviews!!!)
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 04:14 AM
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1. Wow!
Interesting stuff. I'm going to read up on it in the morning.

It may be off topic, but this caught my eye as well: coins the term "turnspeak" to signal the inversion of reality
What an interesting word. Does it remind anybody of anything? ;)
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 04:27 AM
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2. Can you define 'turnspeak' in a nutshell?
in how he uses it(as opposed to 'doublespeak').
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 04:37 AM
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3. i suppose it's more like "newspeak"
(from Orwell's "1984")

i guess turnspeak would be for instance when the economy is going to hell, the government will say the economy is getting stronger, polute the environemnt, call it "clear skies", conquer the world and call it freedom and democracy.
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 09:22 PM
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9. I guess
that I would say that it is a more vivid, descriptive way to put the same thing.

I'd say turnspeak would equal No child left behind, the clear skies initiative, or any other phony baloney, bumper sticker, catch phrase that the repugs have been coming up with lately.

How would you define doublespeak?
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 05:39 AM
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4. Thanks for that! I'll bookmark that page.
I particularly liked his article on Christopher Hitchens.

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......... One might also decide that youthful ideals, especially when the responsibilities of family kick in and the prospects for radical change dim while the certainty of one's finitude sharpens, are too heavy a burden to bear; although it might be hoped that this accommodation, however understandable (if disappointing), were accomplished with candor and an appropriate degree of humility rather than, what's usually the case, scorn for those who keep plugging away. It is when the phenomenon of political apostasy is accompanied by fanfare and fireworks that it becomes truly repellent.

Depending on where along the political spectrum power is situated, apostates almost always make their corrective leap in that direction, discovering the virtues of the status quo. "The last thing you can be accused of is having turned your coat," Thomas Mann wrote a convert to National Socialism right after Hitler's seizure of power. "You always wore it the `right' way around." If apostasy weren't conditioned by power considerations, one would anticipate roughly equal movements in both directions. But that's never been the case. The would-be apostate almost always pulls towards power's magnetic field, rarely away. However elaborate the testimonials on how one came to "see the light," the impetus behind political apostasy is - pardon my cynicism - a fairly straightforward, uncomplicated affair: to cash in, or keep cashing in, on earthly pleasures.
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http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=4&ar=6

Although pretty much a committed ideologue myself, I could never be a raging Stalinist regarding "defectors & apostates". But I always had strong but ill-defined feeling of mistrust. That essay expresses clearly what I'd been clumsily groping for.

pnorman



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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 05:51 AM
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5. he sure doesn't like Alan Dershowitz ('the Dershowitz Hoax")
i have this bookmarked also. I have heard the name but know nothing about him.
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shunt Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 10:18 AM
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6. help!!!!
If you like him, please help however you can. His site shows the book coming soon, but I just got an email from him....remmeber the book focuses on Alan Dershowitz and all the lies he tells...


"The book is still a long way from being published. Dershowitz is pulling all the stoppers to block publication - of course, he's a civil libertarian and believes in free speech."

-Norman F
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 10:23 AM
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7. agreed
on all counts.

Prof Finklestein is the stuff! and you're correct; his debate with Dershowitz was "priceless"!

I had the pleasure of hearing/meeting Amy last April. She's a treasure.
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shunt Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 10:30 AM
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8. good call!
treasure indeed. I cant wait to give her a big hug!
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