Hmmm--Ari Was Rumored To Be Gay, Too

[DemocracyInaction]

Just thinking along those old "where there's smoke..." lines. A couple things over the last few years:

1. There was a lot of rumor and talk that Ari Fletcher was gay. Many posts alone on this board along with discussions all over the internet. It was said that his marriage was of the "beard" category. And, rather suddenly this guy who strived to get to this top position, decides to leave.

2. David Brock in "Blinded by the Right" talks about a whole sub-culture of gay Congressmen and officials who are married, have gay lovers in D.C. and a wife and kids in the burbs.

3. I know that several months ago talk began of a gay prositution ring with clients in the White House----and the talk was very abruptly stopped.

4. And now Gannon who is a gay prostitute.

Seems like there are little whiffs a smoke here and little whiffs there. So one begins to wonder if there are people within this White House who are gay and using prostitutes (many a government has fallen because top guy was doing prostitutes and thus could be seen as putting high secrets of the country at risk, etc.). And if such a person or persons existed in this White House of course, the security people would know and thus, Bush. Bush would have flushed them in a nano second because of fear the Christian Right would freak if it was ever found out. That would mean that it was aokay with the Commander and Chief------. Wonder if there's anyone in Texas that knows what the Ari, Rove, Chimp and man Karen used to do for fun and entertainment. Interesting.

[KoKo]

1. I think it goes to the "Military" though. The fact that Chimp

fired so many and put in place "his own crew" to Invade Iraq. The "Gay Military Escort" story goes back to Reagan/Poppy days...and it never got cleaned out. Washington Times (Moonies) were the ones who "broke the story" and then it died with Spence's suicide. I was around then and don't remember hearing anything about it until I came to DU and found the "Washington Times" story linked from fellow DU'ers so I know for sure it never got out there to average Americans. And I lived in NJ at the time...so I wasn't cloistered away in an area that wouldn't have talked about it.

I think it goes into the military and the similarities with what went on in AbuGraib which seemed "Sado-Masochistic" but with a "gay bent." But, it would seem to show there is and has been a "culture" in the military for male sex or male humiliation. Don't want to sound like I'm trashing Gays who are out there, but just like us "hetero's" they have their own perverse people like we have ours...the wife beaters, the multiple wives and husbands with a lack of commitment and murders and rapes and everything else. Whether one is gay or hetero or bi-sexual...there are always fringes and "cults of behavior."

I think this goes back to Poppy... and I've posted the original articles on DU about this so many times..I won't repeat it here. If you didn't see it, I will post again...but that's where my gut tells me it goes...Gay Military...chosen by Chimp/Cheney/Rummy. Who knows what the truth of their appetites are or whether they just used "sexual orientation" to further their own ambitions and none of them are gay.

But...yes...there was alot of speculation about Ari when he was Press Secretary from our own DU gays who thought he raised their "Gaydar."

Scott is rumored to have recently married but do we know that for a fact? And, do we even know if Ari is still married? It could have been a "marriage of convenience." But, that he left was shocking to us who were here on DU at the time. The guy was masterful at his job but he suddenl quits? Did they have something ON HIM, though? Instead of the "other way around?" :shrug:

[FreedomAngel82]

2. It seems like

everything big that happens in this country someway goes back to Poppy. :eyes: I think they had something on him personally. I wonder if all these rumors were true. I remember reading that Poppy sent Bush to the National Guard because he was causing problems for Poppy (coming home late partying etc) so I wonder if there's something else there. :shrug:

[truth2power]

4. What about this from TBRNews?

This is from Oct.,'04. Posted here a few days ago.

Voice of the White House

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1143.htm

"Seems a former White House aide, (Reagan White House) was caught running a male prostitution service and got fired from the Monkey Palace, and later from the RNC for supplying muscular boy toys to some top Beltway gays. Well, after being fired, our bozo got together with a Muslim druggie and set up operations at the Kennedy-Warren, a landmark DC apartment/business complex. They ran a male escort service supplying young studs to older Beltway citizens. Among these citizens were: Federal judges, top political figures, mostly Republican, very senior military people and certainly members of Congress. The head of this service, that utilized credit cards for payment, supplied young men, mostly young servicemen, between 18 to 25 for sex. They kept very complete records, including names and address of the johns as well as credit card receipts. And later there was blackmail and now, I have learned from the inside, this joker has sold the lists to: Iranians( through his partner’s Arab connections) and a gay group in DC. Sold the lists twice and got twice the money. I have seen a partial list and it reads like the DC social register, believe me! This enterprising young man is very liable to end up at the bottom of the Potomac River just like ex-CIA chief Bill Colby who was terminated by his former employees because he just couldn’t keep his mouth shut about certain things. I won’t have old Bill’s problem because I am not a Princeton man and even you don’t know who I am. You had the intestinal fortitude to print the material about the planned Iranian attack and maybe you will do the same with this one. I know a number of people inside the Beltway read your site…and loathe you…and if they read this and are closet queens, the sale of dignity pants will soar in the next few weeks. My, my, such lovely names! The Washington Times did a front page story on this joker some time back, by the way, but no one dared to touch him because of what, and whom, he knew…and serviced…”

Anywhere this fits in?

[geek tragedy]

11. TBR news is run by real life Nazis. I wouldn't pay their 'sources' any

attention whatsoever.

[zann725]

9. How soon did Ari quit after he briefly stopped calling on Gannon

and questioned his partisanship? Seems like once he agreed (per Texas contacts) to start calling on Gannon again...he quit shortly after. Maybe behind the scenes he refused to continue under those circumstances? And so had to go.

Does anyone know the time-line before Scotty came aboard?

[BigBearJohn]

3. Makes me wonder who was behind what happened at Abu Garab prison

and all the homosexual acts orchestrated there. Gee, what a
"coincidence"

[truth2power]

5. Maybe Rumsfeld...

I know his name hasn't come up in the context of this particular scandal, but I've felt right along that he got his jollies from what was going on at Abu Ghraib. Sadistic (clinically speaking) bastard!!!

[Roland99]

6. Well, seems Ashcroft picked some real bastards to setup shop there

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3133068&mesg_id=3133068

[hector459]

7. All we need is for one of these inside gay-hookers to get a conscience

and come clean about what is going on behind closed doors...even closed church doors.

[zann725]

10. Gannon's already out there...already publicly embarrassed.

And he knows he can NEVER go back to his D.C. contacts, and safely live. And he'll have to earn money somehow. My guess is he agrees to squeal (plus a book deal), in exchange for a safe-house somewhere outside the U.S.

[blue4barb]

8. Article in today's Editor and Publisher with Ari interview

is very interesting. Ari claims he had suspicions about Gannon/Guckert and called his boss at Talon.

The partial article by Joe Strupp is over on the 2004 Election Results and Discussion forum-- still on the front page there. The thread was started by demo dutch. There is also a link to the full article found in today's Editor and Publisher online. (Sorry I'm having trouble posting the link.)

Very interesting spin from Ari.

[MNAZ]

12. Is that a bad thing?

Why do we need to spread rumors about gay people?

[bunny planet]

14. Welcome newbie

:hi:

I know what you are saying. We tread on thin ice here, and can be misconstrued deliberately by those who would like to make us look bad and portray us as gay-bashing ourselves. It is simply not true. It's not that Gannon/Guckert is gay, or that Ari or Scottie might be that is the problem, it's the hypocrisy of this administration. They attempt to legislate gays into being second class citizens, and mess with their civil rights, all along they're covering up the fact that powerful (yet self-hating) people within their own ranks might be gay themselves. I ordinarily frown upon outing people who don't choose to be outed, they have a right to their privacy, but when they infringe upon the rights of others, and are hypocrites about it, then they are fair game in my opinion.

[Bridget Burke]

16. It's the hypocrisy

Bush used homophobia to win votes.

[mattclearing]

13. I have a hard time believing they could be that arrogant AND stupid.

That's the kind of thing that could destroy their party if it came out. They'd have to be crazier than I gave them credit for.

[CWebster]

15. Reminds me of those scenes in"JFK" with Joe Pesche

JEdgar Hoover knew all about it. So did Roy Cohn.