Steele Asks For Apology From Howard Dean

[candy331]

This has me sort of frustrated, I don't want to seem insensitive to AA nor to condemn Dean, but I just wish that Steele would have handled this with Dean and if an apology was needed that he allowed Dean to explain what he meant and issue an apology if one was needed.. I just think Democrats will never get it, what repub would go out and ask another repub to apologize unless it was just a farce scripted for public consumption. Did the Black Caucus call for an apology?
Come on somebody help me because I am just about to give it up, seems the harder we fight the farther back we slide.





Steele Asks For Apology From Howard Dean
Lt. Gov. Takes Issue With New DNC Chair's 'Racist' Joke


ANNAPOLIS, Md. -- Lt. Gov. Michael Steele is calling for an apology from Howard Dean, the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee.



Steele took issue with Dean for telling what Steele described as a "racist" joke to the Democratic black caucus.

During a meeting Friday with the black caucus in New York, Dean praised black Democrats for their work for the party, then questioned Republicans' ability to rally support from minorities.

"You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room? " Dean asked to laughter. "Only if they had the hotel staff in here."

Steele, Maryland's first black lieutenant governor, called the remarks "racially insensitive and intolerable."

He said Democrats wonder why they are losing ground among African-Americans and other minorities, and they need look no further than Dean's remark.

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[yurbud]

1. sounds like Steele missed the point

although I can see why he might be offended

[punpirate]

7. Offended as a Republican...

... not an African-American. That's the point of demanding an apology--he'd very much like to confuse the point of the joke in the public mind. Dean, in essence, is saying that the Republicans see all people of color as stepandfetchits. It seems to me from the report that the black Democratic caucus members got the joke just fine.

[Eloriel]

57. Right. Steele is (R) -- and opportunistically using this for points

that's all.

[Goldeneye]

2. It was kind of a stupid thing to say.

But the black caucus laughed? I don't know what to make of it.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. If the black caucus

isn't offended then I could see why Mr. Steele would want him to apologize, but he didn't say anything offensive I think. Just the truth. Just watch the RNC conventions and that'd show you and compare them to DNC conventions. All they are worried about is image. Who cares? The whole thing is getting things done and canidates in offices.

[Tomee450]

101. This is just

another Republican attempt to score points with blacks even as they enact policies and cuts that will hurt them. I suspect this attempt will not meet with success. I am black and not offended. Dean does not need to apologize. An apology would mean he did something wrong;he didn't, IMO.

[Roland99]

3. Rather insensitive remark from Dean.

It enforces my belief that he's a "thick-neck" (your stereotypical suburban, SUV-driving, arrogant prick)

Although, I think he's generally off to a great start as head of the DNC.

[Warren Stupidity]

'splain me why its insensitive

Obviously I'm to thick to see the insult to black people that needs an apology.

Wise me up.

[Roland99]

19. Dean is implying that the hotel waitstaff is all black

A bit of an insult. Waitstaff...servants...slaves....see the history?

[Warren Stupidity]

22. uh

the service industry is vastly dominated by people of color. That is a plain fact. That was the point in what Dean said. Steele is full of shit - Dean mentioned something that exposed the class/race color line - and Steele is pretending that doing so is in itself racism. What is racism is that low paying service jobs are the 'careers' open to people of color. Observing that this is true is not racism, its reality.

[Roland99]

33. Oh, really?

I see quite a mix in the hospitality industry. I see black, hispanic, white, asian.

[Warren Stupidity]

36. ok - I guess we are having

a confusion about the meaning of the term "people of color".

I think it means 'non-white'. From your post I'm guessing you mean 'black'.

Either that or you don't realize that despite this being 40+ years since the civil-rights act passed we still live in a nation that has an informal (de facto) racial caste system. Or perhaps you haven't been in a hotel recently. Or maybe we live in two nearly separate realities which happen to share a blog.

Dean pointed out the obvious. Steele is part of the orchestrated rethuglican attack squad tasked with going after Dean at every opportunity.

[Roland99]

44. He was addressing the black caucus

WTF is "people of color" supposed to mean in that context?

[Warren Stupidity]

47. it means non white (nt)

[dsc]

52. three of those would be people of color

[XemaSab]

98. It might be a regional issue

Here in California, hotel staff are predominantly Hispanic.

[xxqqqzme]

97. no....he said people of

color.....he didn't say black....steele is yet another whiney rethug. He is trying 2 play a race card rather than a political one.

[Tomee450]

102. Dean told the truth.

In many hotels and restaurant the cleaning staff consists mainly of African Americans,Latinos and other non-whites. That is a fact.

[Kahuna]

74. See what Roland99 wrote. I'm black and I agree..

that the analogy that Dean made was insulting. I wouldn't throw a hissy fit over it. But it was very lame.

[Roland99]

86. Thanks...and that's what I meant.

I don't think it was the worst of things said in recent memory, just insensitive. A case of the mouth moving before the brain fully kicks in.

[Tomee450]

104. I'm black aslo

and I wasn't bothered by Dean's comment at all. Other blacks who've heard it just laughed. Much to do about nothing. There are more important issues to get upset about. The Republicans don't care about black people. They just want to place the race card and diminish Dean at the same time.

[candle_bright]

21. I don't think Dean is a "thick neck"

at all. But I do think he stepped in it with this comment.

[Cooley Hurd]

4. How about Mike Steele apologizing to African-Americans...

...for turning his back on them and becoming a fucking Republican???:grr::grr::grr:

"A black man voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."
-J.C.Watts Sr

[KlumHeidi652]

5. JC Watts and one other guy have joined with Steele

to ask for an apolgy. Last night on H&C they said they won't let this go until Dean apologizes.

[madfloridian]

8. He was speaking to CBC, and got a standing ovation.

Why did they do that if they were so offended? Hannity is going to blow his mind over Dean.

[LittleClarkie]

9. That's just bizarre

As bizarre as a black Lt. Governor worrying about racism and insensitivity in the other party when minority votes are being suppressed by his OWN party.

WE'RE NOT LOSING THE MINORITY VOTE, YOU ASSHAT! IF YOUR PARTY WASN'T GETTING SO DAMNED GOOD AT SUPPRESSING THE MINORITY VOTE, WE'D SEE THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING THEIR VOTE AT ALL.

Theiving m-er f-ers. If we're losing the minority vote at all, it's because people like this guy have convinced them to vote AGAINST their self-interests. The Repubs are good at that.

[tsuki]

40. We all saw how sensitive Blackwell was.

[MissWaverly]

55. good for you

I do not recall Michael Steele speaking out about the disenfranchisement of Maryland voters, especially minorities during the 2004 election. Funny how he didn't think that was a cause that he needed to stay on top of. Remember I voted in Baltimore City on the machine that kept voting for Bush, and I've talked to others who had problems voting in Baltimore County. And my precinct only had 944 votes all day after I waited in line for 2 hours. I didn't hear anything by him on that. Or what about the flush tax where his boss the republican governor is making the poor pay for the cleanup of corporate polluters of the Chesapeake Bay, by making them pay a tax for flushing their toilets.

[blm]

10. Steele is a Republican. And the only reason some blacks are voting Repub

is because BushInc and RevMoon have been spreading alot of money to black ministers who they pegged to be homophobes and who will join them in their anti-gay message.

Faith-based Initiatives at work.

[HootieMcBoob]

11. Here's what Dean should say...

African American's make up a significant percentage of America's service industry today and America's service industry is the backbone of our country, providing most of today's jobs.

My point was that the Republican party is clueless when it comes to the concerns of today's working Americans and particularly African Americans.

If my remark offended anybody I apologize but my main point still stands and I think the Democratic Black Caucus agrees with me on that.

that should do it :)

[Warren Stupidity]

13. right.

[Debi]

28. Although nicely put

I don't think he owes an apology...the CBC can come out and say they stand by the Chair of their Party and Steele can kiss their asses!

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

80. No. Here's what Dean should say...

Mike Steele belongs to the Party that opposed the Voting Rights Act in the 1960's and to this day remains militant in its attempts to disenfranchise black voters. Mr. Steele owns an apology to every African American voter for casting his lot with racists and bigots.

And by the way, Mr. Steele, go fuck yourself.

...that would do it.

[HootieMcBoob]

87. That could work too

or maybe a nice combination.

Eliminate the apology from mine and keep the go fuck yourself from yours and I think we're really on to something.

[Tomee450]

105. Exactly

[madfloridian]

12. The caucus gave him a standing ovation.

Why are you so worried about what a Republican thinks. Why didn't they act offended then.

Are you being afraid of the other side still? We have to stop that.

[candy331]

29. Mad,I don't care what the other side thinks but who basically controls

the airwaves at this time, the repubs. Dean should make a statement such as the one a poster mentioned in this thread or better yet come out or have CBC members come out with him and make a statement to kill this matter. Did we not learn from the swift boat fiasco that silence is not the answer. Why allow the repugs to spin this and ultimately to win this by silence on our side or too late with an answer. Frist and repugs had no problem trotting out Andrew Young and a couple other AA to condemn Dems in Condi's hearing did They? Well, I sure hope Dems will trot out somebody to answer this or it will remain as a stench in the air... Yes a little ant hill can become a mountain if it is builded on. Sure the CBC members understood and knew what he meant and applauded but what does Joe Blow know when he hears it, and then with no answer/explanation from the other side are left to wonder. I thought we were learning.

[Debi]

31. In two weeks

the MSM will have blown that comment so far out of proportion that all the Dems that were 'concerned' about Dean being Chair will be 'wondering' what they will do (out loud on Sunday talk shows) and how much of him the Party can handle...get a friggin grip people!

[candy331]

42. Debi said, "get a friggin grip people!" What does that mean, leave it

or respond to it?

[Cats Against Frist]

50. No shit -- and at the same time the NY GOP chairman

basically called the whole fucking state "commie terrorists," and THAT won't be as big as Dean's TRUE comment.

[Webster Green]

14. Dean's remark was right on the money...

Fuck the repukes!

[Vickers]

15. Fuck Steele. If the CBC wants an apology, let THEM ask for it.

No way I'd apologize to some turncoat Puke.

[mzmolly]

16. "Uncle Tom" demands apology from Dean.

Should be the headline.

[coloradodem2005]

17. Well. The only group the Repubs are in touch with are the wealthy...

...The wealthy WASP's.

[Debi]

18. NEWSFLASH....HOWARD DEAN OPENS MOUTH

Dentists (and the lion at the zoo) want apology

NEWSFLASH...HOWARD DEAN WEARS BLUE SHIRT

Those who prefer white or ecru want an apology

NEWSFLASH...HOWARD DEAN SLEEPS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BED

All right-side bed sleepers want an apology


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hmmm. Dean asks for an apology from NYC GOP Chair and then the GOP finds something to be 'offended' by Howard Dean and demands apology. Does anyone see a pattern here?

NEWSFLASH...GOP BEING HYPOCRITES

All genuine hypocrites (not just for political gain) want an apology

(on edit NEWS FLASH...I can't spell, all good spellers want an apology):shrug:

[JI7]

20. African Americans are voting Democratic more than ever

people point to the 2 percent difference between 2004 and 2000.

but Kerry got a bigger percentage of black voters than Clinton did in both elections.

and the only reason Republicans gained among Black voters was by exploiting the anti gay bigotry. just as the get some poor whites to vote for them by exploiting racism.

[mzmolly]

23. Further, Bush and Kerry had the same stated position on Gay Marriage.

Funny how that works.

[JI7]

25. yup, Bush has already said he wont push to get the anti gay amendment

passed.

[mzmolly]

26. Like I say, we need to support a "RW Purist" in 08 and pull a Nader on em

;)

The Constitution Party is a good start.

[Kipepeo]

69. Explotation of homophobia

Exactly.

I believe it's called "Divide and Conquer" and the Republicans are masters of it.

[TexasSissy]

24. Oh, dear. Tasteless and inappropriate joke. He should've known

better than that. Maybe some black advisors told him it would be okay.

At first I was going to say that I wish the black Dems would lighten up and stop being so sensitive about every little thing said or done that might possibly, directly or indirectly, offend any black person on the globe. But when I read the joke, I immediately could see the problem. Bad joke. He should apologize immediately and say he intended no offense, which I'm sure is the truth.

[JI7]

27. maybe, but Steele is doing this for political reasons

it's to help the Governor and himself get re-elected.

[mzmolly]

34. It's not a Black Dem, it's a Black Republican with an agenda.

I think he should ignore their antics frankly.

[Debi]

35. Two things.

Steele is not a Democrat.
The CBC gave Dean a standing ovation.

So, the only person who was offended was a Republican who MAY have a political agenda and speaking out against Dean? Hmmm

[madfloridian]

38. Steele is a Republican.

Dean was speaking to the black caucus, and they gave him a standing ovation. They laughed. They did not have to laugh. If they were offended they should not have laughed and given an ovation.

[tsuki]

41. Wring hands, hopelessly PC, don't want to offend, stammer,

apologize, beg forgiveness, bow head, plead, ask forgiveness. What do you want next? Slit wrists. Oh, no, that's Kervorkian. Wring hands, hopelessly PC, don't want to offend, stammer, apologize, beg forgiveness, bow head, plead, ask forgiveness.

My advice to you. Learn to live with it. It's not going to get better. And I for one am not taking any Tom's Bait.

[Warren Stupidity]

49. get out the pink tutus

Dems we are our own worst enemies.

[TexasSissy]

99. Apologizing for genuinely offending someone is not being a wuss.

It is not begging or pleading. It is the right thing to do. IF he gave genuine offense to blacks. But if it was only the one Republican, then there doesn't seem to be any genuine offending going on.

It takes a person with character to apologize after unintentionally but genuinely offending someone. You're not implying that Dean doesn't have character, I hope.

[many a good man]

30. fyi: Steele is Mike Tyson's former brother-in-law

True. Iron Mike married Steele's sister, a Washingon lawyer residing in Potomac, Maryland. They divorced a few years ago, following Mike's recent jail time for a roadway incident in Maryland.

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[stillcool]

37. This is bullsh*t....not worthy of further comment.....n/t

[sonicx]

39. I'm black and I think it's funny...

I can't believe people are still using the "democrats are losing blacks" talking point. TWO fucking percentage point difference and it's all over for us!!!!

This is coming from the same exits polls that said Kerry won and that everyone says are faulty. hmmm. :eyes:

[tsuki]

43. OMG. You don't mean, it can't possibly mean, that blacks might

have a sense of humor. UNREAL. Except of course, for Bill Cosby, Chris Rock, Steve Harvey, Russell Simmons, all the Wayan brothers, Whoopi Goldberg, Oprah Winfrey, Lady Roz G, Jamie Foxx, Sinbad, Sister Betty, Nipsey Russell, Arsenio Hall, Preacher Moss.

[dhinojosa]

91. Nipsey Russell is NOT Funny.

Just kidding, I just felt like saying that.

[Tomee450]

106. I couldn't agree more.

People are panicking over a joke? I don't think most blacks are that thin skinned. I am black and not offended and I really doubt if very many African Americans are upset over Dean's comment. I hope he does not apologize. I see nothing for which an apology should be given.

[RetroLounge]

45. RetroLounge tells Steele to fuck off...

So there...

RL

[Cats Against Frist]

46. Steele needs to fuck off

Sorry -- but if he has any sense at all, he'd let this drop, NOW. Unless, of course, he's a GOP plant. Other than that, people get offended wayyyyy to easily, and with the GOP propaganda campaign in full swing that tries to scaremonger that blacks are leaving the dem party, for this guy to speak up about this might trade his poor "identity politics" for full-fleged fascism.

* on edit: ahhhhh -- now I see, he IS a Republican. In that case, he's part of the propaganda campaign. No wonder he doesn't want to drop it. Clearly orchestrated "faux outrage."

[Q]

48. Notice how every little comment by Dean is being exploited...

...by his enemies on both the right and the 'center'?

Democrats seem to fall for the RWing baiting every time. You'll even see Dems calling Dean's remarks 'insensitive' and worse.

Dems need to understand that this is exactly how the Right divides our party and gets us to fight with each other. They spread suspicion and doubt to weaken our progressive leadership and put them in a defensive mode where they're always having to explain their comments instead of working to unite the party.

Democrats lose because of GOP election fraud and a lying corporate media...not because Dean is getting tough on Republicans.

[mzmolly]

51. Excellent point.

Democrats seem to fall for the RWing baiting every time. You'll even see Dems calling Dean's remarks 'insensitive' and worse.

:hi:

[greenohio]

53. Oh boy.

Well, we knew when we chose him that he was a marked man by the media. I can see where some could take offense from the joke...and it wasn't even funny. Maybe it was in the delivery. Anyway, he is going to receive unfair coverage...we'll have to do our best to cry foul as they beat on him. They are going to pick at his every step.

[Kipepeo]

71. Why are people calling it a joke?

It's true. Even Republican legislators have complained that at party functions they've been asked to take someone's coat or fetch a drink, mistaken as waitstaff by the small-minded fucks that populate their party.

Of course, we have to laugh at the horrible inequalities in our society or we'd all go mad. The best comedy is rooted in social inequalities and horrors.

[MaineDem]

76. There you go!

It wasn't a joke! You're absolutely right.

[LevelB]

54. If the republicans know anything

it is how and when to drive a wedge.

Don't be distracted by this horseshit.

B.

[nickshepDEM]

58. edit... messed up

[elshiva]

56. Hmm...methinks Steele is trying to distract

attention from his boss's (Gov. Ehrlich) recent idiocy with O'Malley, by taking up this non-issue.
I frikkin' hated Steele's use of the race card to get elected in Lt. Gov. Those stupid signs with full length pictures of Steele saying "Make History: Vote for Maryland's First Black Lt. Gov." Big frikkin' deal! Just distractions to take us our minds off Ehrlich's neocon evil agenda. They are both posers.

[nickshepDEM]

59. Booo Hoooo Hooooo....

He should have been "insulted" when Bob Ehrlich selected him as his Lt Governor. Theres only one reason Ehrlich slected him. Guess why?

[elshiva]

61. Oh, all Marylanders know why...

just so he could use the race card. Steele is bunk. WTF does a Lt. Gov. do anyway?

[nickshepDEM]

63. Lt Gov's cut a couple opening day ribbons here and there.

Steele is part of the Ehrlich adminstration for one reason and one reason only. They think he helps to pick up a couple extra votes here and there in Baltimore City and Prince Georges county.

[elshiva]

64. Yes, I know to get the black vote, but,

in least in Steele's case, it seems the Lt. Gov.'s job is to cover the Gov.'s ass.

[Dr Fate]

60. So why did the mostly black audience give him standing ovations then?

They "got it"- while the others are crying racism.

[Jade Fox]

62. Oh, please Dean.... DON'T APOLOGIZE!!

The joke was funny and......true.

God forbid we should have a politician telling the truth!

[Kipepeo]

72. God yes, please no apology

It only validates the Republicans' bullshit claim. They never apologize for shit because they know how the media works. But Democrats always seem to fall over themselves to offer an apology and an implied VALIDATION of the whole non-issue itself.

This is a non-issue. It deserves no comment, unless the comment is one of the flat-out "this is a non-issue" sort.

[Donailin]

65. Steele is a Republican, not a fellow dem.

he was the token "diversity card" to get Erlich elected. I live in Md and that's how it was reported/interpreted.

[madfloridian]

66. Chair of Democratic Black Caucus says Dean has nothing to apologize for.

Please read my post at this link. I think this says all we need to say.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1604333

[Kipepeo]

73. Thank you for posting this

end of story (should be).

[killbotfactory]

67. the truth hurts sometimes

:shrug:

[Kinkistyle]

68. What if Dean were Black?

I mean really. What if Dean were a black man? Would these sanctimonious people be insulted?

Is the content of his speech really racist or a call to attention to reality?

[mattclearing]

70. Whatever.

Dean should tell Steele when he gets that many black people in a room together, to let him know.

Then he'll apologize.

:toast:

[IndianaGreen]

75. I saw that Republican puke Steele on TV

and he is the one that should be apologizing to the American people for being a member of the Holy Nazi Party.

[John_H]

77. African American Dems need to hit back

Dean was pointing out a fact--that under the policies implemented by republicans like steele, many of the gains african americans made during the clinton administration are being reversed.

Somebody also ought to ask stele how many non-hotel employees people of color attended erlich's last event.

[izzybeans]

78. Perhaps Steele feels he's part of the hotel staff too.

What Dean said is factually accurate. Has anyone ever been to a southern or even a republican "social" function? All Steele needs to do is look up from his token table in the corner of the room and see who is serving him his dinner. But then again, all those poeple still got to stand on stage at the RN Convention didn't they? But they went right back to bussing the tables after the lights went out and the camaras were packed away. (metaphorically speaking of course)

The congressional Black Caucus wouldn't be offended in large measure becuase they are comprised of independent intellectuals and statesmen and women and serve no one but their constituencies like any politician should. The repugs can't claim that when all they do is service party leadership. It wasn't so much a joke as it was an ironical statement that pointed this out. If Steele is offended perhaps his anger would be more productively served by understanding this.

[mrgorth]

79. That was a phenomonally stupid thing to say.

[lojasmo]

81. Steele's comment was phenominally stupid.

Dean's comment was THE TRUTH, and he got a standing ovation from the CBC for saying it.

Guh.

[mrgorth]

83. It was the truth about the thugs

but how does Chairman Dean know the racial makeup of the hotel staff. It was a racially insensative thing to say. Even Dean makes mistakes.

[lojasmo]

88. Well he WAS in the hotel....

Perhaps he looked around him and SAW the staff.

[livinginphotographs]

85. The black people in the room didn't seem to think so

When the laughed and gave him a standing ovation.

In fact, the only person crying "racism" is a Republican.

I would think the Dems would be tired of being on the defense all the time, but I guess not.

Dean should not apologize. If anything, he should tell Steele, in the words of a great statesman, "Go fuck yourself."

[dpbrown]

82. Point? Missed.

Get over it, Steele.

[ClassWarrior]

84. Steele can kiss my hairy white ass.

Is that more "racially sensitive" for you Mr. Steele?

NGU.

[TheDonkey]

89. The remark was crude, If I were Dean just say sorry and move on

really isn't a big deal either way.

[RogueTrooper]

92. Yes it is a big deal

This is the Republican Party trying to punk Dean. If Dean apologises he will have give the GOP the inch they will use to take a mile. We should be turning our rehtorical guns on this partisan asshole not kowtow to his mendacity.

[fishwax]

95. they're scared of dean and want to marginalize him as quickly and

as often as possible. They'll pick little fights every chance they get. Dean won't give in and apologize here, because if he does then it'll just show the success of that strategy. I agree with you. He shoudlld stand his ground. Every time. Screw the faux-outrage of the GOP.

[tsuki]

96. Look, they have their Toms on point ready to jump on anything he says.

Look at the Cheney's. Anything a ReThug said about their daughter was okay, but when Kerry said something tolerant, they went ballistic.

If the CBC did not object, and they were there, to hell with everyone else.

If he starts apologizing for his existence, at this point, he'll be useless.

And everyone knew, Dean says what is on his mind.

[Tomee450]

107. No,

he should not say he is sorry. What he should do is get African American democrats who don't feel offended to speak in his defense. The last thing he should do is apologize. He should have the African Americans go on television immediately. What he shouldn't do is let this fester as Kerry did with the swift boaters allegations. He should get on top of it now.

[DrGonzoLives]

90. Sound and fury signifying nothing

Just a nice artificial scandal to smear Dean. Dean is the new Clinton - the GOP are happy as pigs in shit to have a brand-new target to hate.

[porphyrian]

93. Feeding infighting about racism helps the republicans.

Steele, get the fuck over it and keep your attention on what's in front of you. The republicans are laughing at you.

[porphyrian]

94. Dean should ask Steele to apologize...

...for helping the republicans keep us divided over a trivial remark.

[IronLionZion]

100. as a colored person, I think Steele can shove it

what an Uncle Tom. I have minimal respect for these token minority Republicans.

The whole point was Democrats are better at getting minority support whether it is black, hispanic, native american, asian, jewish, whatever. He was ripping on Republicans because they have to hire token black people for photo ops.

The Daily show proved this because the same handful of minorities were shown over and over again during the RNC convention. But the DNC convention was like 40% minorities and 50% women?

Republicans hate this. The only minorities they get support from are Cubanos and white-washed uncle toms.

You can always count on racist Republicans to play the race card.

[KissMeKate]

103. and republicans start off by playing the much maligned "race card"

amazing how they whined when Democrats brought up legitimate issues of interest to african americans, but now they grab at strings when the Democrats start showing a little spirit.