I am absolutely FURIOUS!!! How could Dems vote

[ailsagirl]

for *'s plan to curb class-action lawsuits???

The fact of the matter is, we have a bunch of effing phonies sitting in Congress who are Dems in name only. Had they stuck together and voted NO on this outrageous legislation, it would have lost.

Those people (those who voted for it, I mean) don't represent us-- they're effing Repugs!!!!

It's easy enough to find out who voted YES...

I hope those of you who have reps who went along with this draconian legislation give them bloody hell.

GRRRRRRRRRRR

[MSgt213]

1. 18 of them did. They are who we need to vote out NOW!!!

[ailsagirl]

5. Hmmm... eighteen isn't as many as I thought... but still!!

That's one way to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak-- find out who voted for it and why.

But, really, unless our people in Congress and the Senate stick together and vote these outrageous proposals down, we don't stand a chance.

I'm praying they're a tiny minority...

[ailsagirl]

34. Oh-- I thought you meant 18 members of Congress

You mean some FIFTY Dems in Congress voted yes????

[DemDogs]

72. Where are Hollings and Edwards when we needed them?

The JUSTICE block, they would have had a chance of mustering a block, but hard when votes like Cantwell's were probably motivated by pressure from hi-tech who fear class actions more than anything else.

[LisaM]

2. Who are they , do you have a list handy?

Thanks.

[ailsagirl]

9. I don't know yet-- but I will find out and post it in this thread

...when I do

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. Yup.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00009



Note these folks:

Bayh, Feinstein, Cantwell, Dodd, Landrieu, Lieberman, Rockefeller, Schumer and a few others.

[LSparkle]

11. DiFi will NEVER get my vote again -- this is last straw

Between her support of Condoskeezza and now this, she's over in my book. And Joementum ought to just change his "D" to an "R" -- spineless DINO!

[ailsagirl]

58. I know-- pretty damned infuriating

I emailed Feinstein about the Rice thing and got one of those form emails, "...sorry you are disappointed..." crap

[LisaM]

12. Cantwell. Sigh.

It figures.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

18. The 2006 Dem primary will frown upon her.

[Freddie Stubbs]

63. Only if someone runs against her

Is there anyone who is challenging her? :shrug:

[DELUSIONAL]

20. Cantwell is up for election

WA has got to find someone better than this bitch.

She has been completely unresponsive to the people who voted for her.

She is a DINO.

Out damned bitch -- OUT of office. Go back to work for the crap company REAL PLAYER.

[LisaM]

23. Yeah, but if she makes it through the primary, it will be vs. ROSSI

I can't do anything to risk his getting a Senate seat. I don't care if it turns out she was dating Jeff Gannon. Rossi is really really terrible.

[Spirochete]

56. I'll vote against her

in the primaries next year. She's been every bit as useless as Feinstein, et al. The only good thing she ever did was rid us of Slade Gorton, and she just barely did that.

[nonconformist]

27. Landrieu?

Sigh. Disappointing.

[yankeeinlouisiana]

55. She's always disappointing.

n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

29. Christ! Forgot

Obama- YEA

[Carolab]

44. What a disappointment Obama is! He's only trying to advance himself!

He doesn't give a rat's butt about us.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

45. You never know.

It's not a good start.

[Telly Savalas]

19. Here's a list of the roll call votes in the House and Senate

For the House

and

the Senate

I'm not sure where one would find a list that just had the Democrats.

[OneTwentyoNine]

30. Lets see..Obama,Fienstien,of course LIEberman all voted YEA...

Not one fucking Republican had the guts to stand up to corporate America. Hope someone REAL close to them gets FUCKED OVER by this legislation.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. So according to the list

Clinton and Kerry voted no right? *prays*

[zulchzulu]

64. Democrats with a spine who voted against it

Nays
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting
Santorum (R-PA)
Sununu (R-NH)

[still_one]

3. now you know the reason we lost

most of the so-called democrats representing have no principle

hopefully howard will clean this up, but it is more important for us to vote them out. It does not matter if we lose short term, it is long term that counts, and we must vote the bastards out who do not represent democratic interests

[ailsagirl]

6. ABSOLUTELY-- DRUM THEM OUT!!!

It's outrageous. I'm going to find out who voted for it and send some emails.

Or, better yet, call their offices.

I'd love it if hundreds of furious calls poured into these bastards' offices...

[Telly Savalas]

22. Well, the 18 Senators and 50 House members who voted for this..

actually did win. If they didn't, they wouldn't be voting on the damn thing.

My guy in the Kansas 3rd district, Dennis Moore, voted for this trainwreck. I'm somewhat disappointed in him for this and other votes, but I recognize that the alternative is far worse. By swaying to the right on some issues, he's able to keep his seat in a very red state in our hands. If he sided with Rep. Kucinich on every issue, he'd get booted and KS-3 would be held by a far right theocrat knuckledragger.

I'm not saying I want our national party leadership to pander to the ex-urbs of Kansas City, because that would really piss me off too. I just firmly believe that we need to allow for regionally diversity within the party.

[ailsagirl]

59. Where can I find out which members of Congress voted yes??

Does anyone know?

They're pretty reprehensible as well.

Cowards. Hypocrites

[cestpaspossible]

60. Here

Baird, Bean, Berry, Boren, Boucher, Boyd, Case, Chandler, Cooper, Costa, Costello, Cramer, Cuellar, Davis (AL), Davis (IL), Davis (TN), Edwards, Emanuel, Ford, Gonzalez, Gordon, Harman, Higgins, Hinojosa, Holden, Kanjorski, Kind, Larsen (WA), Larson (CT), Lipinski, Marshall, Matheson, Meeks (NY), Melancon, Michaud, Moore (KS), Moran (VA), Murtha, Peterson (MN), Pomeroy, Rahall, Reyes, Ruppersberger, Scott (GA), Smith (WA), Snyder, Tanner, Tauscher, Taylor (MS), Wu

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll038.xml

[ailsagirl]

67. Thank you, cestpaspossible

It's important to know whom to trust...

[TrustingDog]

24. there is no long term. :(

not anymore. everything changed since 911.

edit: actually since 2000, which bred 911.
This is Not the normal game at all so save yourselves some grief by realising this - you are under siege, the internal type.

[Goldeneye]

4. For the next two years at least they're all we've got.

So, I will support them for now. It does seem like they've been standing up for us more lately, but I can't figure out why they supported that bill.

[ailsagirl]

7. Me either. And I thought things were looking more hopeful

[independentchristian]

8. I can't even think about that bill passing, it makes me so angry...nm

[Ivote]

15. Lets get together

We can start by supporting companies that contribute to Democratic causes.
Put our money where it will benefit us the most
http://buyblue.org

[Gabi Hayes]

13. thanks for reminding me.....I meant to bring this up yesterday

nobody talked about it then, during the voting

this is really as bad, or WORSE than all the other crap...even the appointments to Negroponte and Chertoff, cause it affects millions of people, maybe all of us, indirectly, by going after the last recourse we have against the corpirates

you KNOW there's no more regulatory oversight anymore, so all we have left is the courts

putting these suits into the federal courts makes accessibilty/judgment much more slanted towards the rich fux

also, check this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3133491

[Merrick]

14. I'd do it, but my Rep. is a Nazi lunatic (Dana Rohrbacher)

which is odd considering I live in Long Beach, Ca. (some curious bit of gerrymandering lumps my neighborhood in with some of the most fascist areas of Orange COunty). Any letter or petition I send that guy merely elicits a form letter kindly explaining why drilling for oil in Alaska's Wildlife Preserve is a good thing, why regulations on corporate media ownership is bad, etc. damn rich white people and their precious stocks and bullshit.

edit: oh yeah, this was the senate's vote today. I see Feinstein voted yes and boxer no. not surprised. I'll send a quick email to that old hag.

[Binka]

35. I Was Having A Pity Party This Morning

Feeling sad and blue for myself....then I read your post....Dana is your rep.....Oy....so sorry....that is a shite situation....that is one fuckin sorry ass dumb shit. Feelin blue for ya in the great blue state.

[David Dunham]

16. Lots of good Dems work for companies sued by bogus plaintiffs' lawyers

Get real guys. People can still bring individual suits and securities class actions. It's just the state court plaintiffs bar that now loses their big fees.

[Merrick]

21. So...

if you were crippled, poisoned etc. at a young age due to some gross negligence on the part of an HMO or other corporation and couldn't work for the rest of your life you'd be content with what would amount to $10 a day?

[Sgent]

25. This bill

has no effect on an individual suit at all -- just class actions, so your example isn't valid.

A valid example would be the Vioxx claims -- or a future claim similar.

[OneTwentyoNine]

37. Yeah,and it has to file as a Federal suit instead of a State suit....

My guess unless its a horrendous suit a Federal judge will tell everyone to get lost and quit wasting valuable Federal time.

Not all class action suits are the "big news" stuff like drug companies and exploding Pinto's. Many can be as simple as getting screwed over on a $2,000.00 computer that never worked as advertised. It could be a defective riding mower or many other things. None possibly caused you bodily harm,just caused harm to your check book.

Think a Federal Judge will let those "frivilous" suits come to fuition?? My guess is most likely HELL NO.

[Czolgosz]

61. You don't know what you're talking about. First, the new class action law

has little if any effect on lawyers. It has affect on companies who have committed systemic wrongs that rip-off people in an amount that is too small to be sufficiently remedied one suit at a time. Second, if you think "good companies" are being victimized by "bogus plaintiffs' lawyers," Karl Rove can sleep well tonight knowing he's done a good job.

[cestpaspossible]

17. What's Obama's excuse?

How did he justify this vote?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00009

[Benhurst]

26. For this native of The Land of Lincoln and Obama supporter,

the junior senator from Illinois is fast becoming a major disappointment.

[OneTwentyoNine]

32. Yep,he's turning out to be a real piece of work.....

I'll be watching him closer than ever from this point on....

[Eric J in MN]

41. Barack Obama discussed his vote on "The Al Franken" radio show

From my blog at:
http://MOVELEFT.COM

Feb. 14, 2005

Bararck Obama's Yes Vote

Barack Obama (D-Illinois), a new US Senator, was interviewed by phone on "The Al Franken Show" radio broadcast today.

Radio co-host Katherine Lanpher asked Obama about his vote in favor of this bill.

Obama replied that he supported it because he doesn't want plaintiffs going to whatever state has the most sympathetic state judges.

(My response: Instead, injured people are now likely to face unsympathetic Bush-appointed federal judges.)

Obama also said that he doesn't want people suing the the Starbucks restaurant chain over lukewarm coffee and getting coupons.

(My response: The bill restricts attorney fees when the plaintiffs are awarded in coupons.
Whether or not the coupons aspect of the bill has merit, it certainly doesn't justify voting for the bill as a whole.

I assume the reference to Starbucks was hypothetical. If there was an actual lawsuit against Starbucks, please post in the comments about it.)

Al Franken and Katherine Lanpher didn't say whether they agree or disagree with Obama's vote during the interview.

Near the end of the interview, Al Franken implied that Barack Obama should be the Democratic nominee for president in 2008. Al Franken said, "Obama/Sptizer 2008" (referring to Eliot Spitzer.)

I don't want Barack Obama to be the Democratic Party's presidential nominee.

A person's position on "tort reform" says a lot about whether he's on the side of corporations or the people.

For 2008, I'd prefer John Edwards, who is on the side of the people.

[cestpaspossible]

48. Wow, incredibly lame.

[Eloriel]

28. I couldn't agree more -- in fact, I was thinking to myself this afternoon

that Bush has been so incredibly destructive to everything we hold dear that it is totally unconscionable for ANY Dem to vote aye for ANYthing he proposes. It is a betrayal of everything, absolutely everything. I think many of them are in denial, and not quite getting it. Hell, many of us are in denial either a lot of a little, frequently or occasionally.

But the raw truth of the matter is BUSH IS DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY ON EVERY LEVEL, and too many Dems are going blithely along with it. This has to stop.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

47. You have stated my views so completely and thoroughly:

Bush is so incredibly destructive! I remember, before the election, thinking of what might happen if he got back in, and being completely overcome with horror and loss! And now, I'm having to live with those feelings EVERY DAY until 2008. I'm not just living with those feelings, but with the actual degradation of our way of life. Too horrible for words, but we keep trying to say it.

[ailsagirl]

31. Here's the list, folks-- the TRAITORS in our party

These so-called Dem senators voted FOR *'s legislation on class-action lawsuits.

Thanks, guys!!!!!!!!

:mad: :puke: :spank:

Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)

[Armstead]

36. I'm surprised Schumer's on that list

What the hell was he thinking?

[Eric J in MN]

43. Charles Schumer has mostly been better than I expected, but

not this time.

[union_maid]

54. I'm very disappointed in him

I am, however, very pleased with Steve Israel and proud to call him my congressman. I sent him thanks. I'm going to send a different message to Schumer.

[ailsagirl]

57. Good for you... I'm going to send Feinstein an email

I'm ashamed to have her as senator-- in fact, 99% of the time, I forget she even exists (because Boxer is so awesome!!)

[Eric J in MN]

42. Let's NOT nominate any of the above for president in 2008 or another year

nt

[MNAZ]

46. 5 of those guys have white house hopes and they

know this vote plays well in the red states.

[sendero]

65. Exactly...

.... and that is why we need to get a message to them.

"With the election of Howard Dean to the DNC chairmanship, we finally have made a real start on the hard work of rebuilding our party.

The grass roots Democrats who made this happen are going to make some other things happen as well. We are going to demand that support be withdrawn from Congresspersons who continue to vote for the Bush agenda.

If you think that voting for something that hurts America and Americans is going to improve your chances of winning the White House some day, or even remaining in Congress, think again. If you are going to vote Republican, we don't need you. And we are not going to support you or your campaign."

Oh well, I can dream can't I? :)

[FreedomAngel82]

52. Thank you for the list

I'm glad Boxer, Clinton and Kerry didn't vote for this. So far Kerry hasn't been a disappointment. :toast:

[otohara]

53. Ugh - Salazar....Huge Huge Disappointment Right Off The Bat

Can't believe I stood out on street corners waving signs, calling voters - why did I do this for a guy I knew would vote republican all the way?

I was a Miles delegate - thought Salazar would be better than beer baron...not much

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38. Grouped By Vote Position

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---72

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)

Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)



NAYs ---26

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)

Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)



Not Voting - 2

Santorum (R-PA)
Sununu (R-NH)

[no name no slogan]

66. This is juvenile, but seriously....

Does Idaho actually have a Sen. Crapo?

Thank Allah for truth in advertising. :headbang:

[ckramer]

39. Advice to democratic lawmakers:

Read DU before you vote!

[DancingBear]

40. How do you eat a donkey? - one bite at a time

It is so stunningly simple, yet it works every time.

In order to destroy plaintiffs rights, start with something simple, "non-threatening", easy to vote for.

You know, say things like "this has no effect on REAL people with REAL problems - we're just trying to get rid of frivolous lawsuits."

This will get many spineless Dems on board, fearing of course they will be painted by the Limbaugh brush if they don't play nice.

But don't worry, I say, this has nothing in common with a similar tactic currently being used with great effectiveness in the halls of Congress as we speak.

"Partial birth" abortion, I believe it's called. This, as you know, has NOTHING to do with eliminating a woman's right to choose - "we're just trying to get rid of a very bad and dangerous practice."

Get it, moderates?????

[Erika]

50. All my DC reps & senators are GOP

They could care less what I think.

However, I am contacting DNC and letting them know I will not donate to the party if the Democrats in power go along with Bush's radical proposals.

[2diagnosis]

49. I hope this isn't

the way they plan on beating the * agenda- not only did it sail through, there was no effort to argue or fight this in the media or at the grassroots.

[Erika]

62. I contacted the DNC tonight

and told them if they couldn't hold the party together against Bush's radical policies, that I would no longer contribute to them. I have already given to the DNC for electing Dr. Dean.

[ailsagirl]

68. Good for you, Erika... I think I'll do likewise

[fujiyama]

69. Obama's been a hell of a disappointment

So far, I'm not impressed. Looks like the corporate crowd got to him quick. Didn't he have a real liberal record in the Illinois legislature?

I love my senators though. Both voted against it (Levin and Stabenaw).

I'm also pleasantly surprised by Hillary. Reid's been doing better than Daschle as well - nice to see him vote against this crap legislation.

[DARE to HOPE]

70. YES, he has!

I wrote our new senator a note--reminded him how Senator (Please everybody in both parties and hang with the big guys) Dixon was BOOTED out of office, and Carol Moseley Braun put in his place, when prevailing wisdom was that Dixon was "immovable." I also referred to my other big campaign, electing Paul Simon to the Senate in a four way primary, and against Repub money in the Reagan years.

I warned him that if he loses his Democratic base, he will find a ferocious battle on his hands.

Jesse Jr voted with the good guys anyway.

[KissMeKate]

71. what the hell was barack obama thinking?

damn.