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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:20 PM
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It will come down to Clark and Edwards
Several of us were talking and this is what we think will happen. Kerry will win New Hampshire by a hair, Clark will take second as the undecided voters will fall toward Clark and not Dean. Edwards will take just enough votes away from Dean, Clark and Kerry to take a close third. It will be touted as a three-man race at that point. On February third Clark will win Arizona, New Mexico and Oklahoma where he is ahead and Kerry and Edwards are way behind. Kerry will win Delaware and Edwards will win Missouri and South Carolina. Edwards will take Missouri because it is right next to Iowa and I truly believe Edwards will have more appeal than Kerry once he is considered one of the last three standing. Then it will be a two-man race between Clark and Edwards. May the best man win. I like them both.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:23 PM
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1. I like all three.,..
My support for Clark just barely edges out my support for Edwards and Kerry.

Any way it goes, I am a happy voter.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:25 PM
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2. It's Going To Be Fun. Good Candidates All Around
except for LIEberman.... of course :)
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:26 PM
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3. I like this scenario.
:)

I hope Clark can take hold of second in NH, but it's no easy feat to accomplish.

Also, you left out the part where they team up at the end. Clark/Edwards..Edwards/Clark. ;)
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leftist_rebel1569 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:26 PM
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4. I could easily see that happening
Edited on Wed Jan-21-04 10:26 PM by leftist_rebel1569
although I'd rather have it be Edwards and Kerry, you won't hear a single complaint from me if it's Edwards and Clark. I don't mind Clark at all :)
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:31 PM
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5. then god help us I hope the Green Party...
...nominates an alternative. Clark is a career militarist up to his eyeballs in the military industrial complex, and Edwards helped give Bush* the authority to invade Iraq, helped Congress to dodge its constitutional responsibility to declare war, and helped Bush/Ashcroft to enact one of the most damaging legislative attacks on the Bill of Rights in U.S. history.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:34 PM
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8. I could live with Edwards but not Clark.
All a person has to do is look at Clarks history to know what he is. To know that he's not the man he pretends to be.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:33 PM
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6. Nice post, Quixote
Edited on Wed Jan-21-04 10:33 PM by jmaier
Your analysis accords pretty much with my own. If Dean is 3rd in NH then you'll see his poll numbers in the Feb 3rd states collapse because at this point they are front-runner recognition numbers. Clark is already pre-positioned well in a good number of those states. SC should fall to Edwards, possibly Missouri.

The wildcard for Kerry is later as NY and CA particularly come into play. At this point, he should win MA, DE and most of New England as well. Plus, I think Dean will stay in the race and continue to grab some double digit votes in a number of states including Michigan where early voting has already been underway.

I think that we are looking at a very REAL possibility of proportional delegate allocations all the way to the convention. Pretty interesting.

There is NO frontrunner and I don't see any of the candidates able to deliver a decisive knockout blow at this point. Here is the one long shot exception: if Clark (or Edwards) were to win NH, he starts to pile up wins and delegates.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:33 PM
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7. I think you're wrong.
It will come down to Edwards and Kerry. Clark doesn't have a chance. His numbers are poor and dropping. I predict a 4th place finish for Clark in NH.

People see right through Clark. They see him for what he is and more importantly ,for what he isn't and that's a Democrat. Here on DU he has supporters but out there in the real world, I don't know a single person who will voting for Clark in the primaries. Not one.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:34 PM
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9. Funny,
I know far more Clark supporters offline than online.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:40 PM
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10. Clark getting 1,000 + crouds
I think you are dead wrong. Newspapers are dumfounded by the amount of people who are coming to hear Clark speak. They are saying he is getting bigger crowds than John McCain. Clark has a superstar appeal and is seen as someone who could beat Bush. Clark has only droped two points in the last two days. I am sure that support went to Kerry.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:45 PM
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13. And ARG Tracking Poll

said that his numbers on the last day went up a point - so I don't see that he is going down.

We will see.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:24 PM
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30. went up a point, while Zogby had them heading down
The Boston Herald poll done over the last two days showed Clark slipping as well. I think he will be lucky to finish in the top three.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:43 PM
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12. Where Do You Live?

I saw a crowded room full of people in Rochester NH tonight cheering on Clark.

People seemed to like what they saw.

I know lots of supporters who will vote for him next week, and in other primaries.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:49 PM
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17. I live in New Mexico
We called absentee ballot voters and right now the tally out of 800 people we talked to is over 400 for Clark with just under 200 undecided. That means Clark is getting well over 50% of the absentee ballot vote here.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:02 PM
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21. Interesting but not very informative
Who can be an absentee voter in the New Mexico Primary? That would help us figure out if there is a potential systematic bias, or other things which could confound an generalization of an interpretation.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:05 PM
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24. Fairly Informative

to a Clark Supporter - thanks!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:54 PM
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18. Sorry I thought you were talking to me
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:06 PM
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25. Yes,
I am interested to know if people's perspectives are based on where they live.

So Bowen43 may live in - I don't know - where?
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:47 PM
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15. yes, Kerry and Edwards will be left standing
with DK still in the race to keep them honest
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:04 PM
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23. Bowens43 - Where Do You Live?


I am wondering if the perspective people have about Clark is based on the state in which they live.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:20 PM
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28. Ignore the drive-bys
There are a few posters who do nothing but take pot shots at various candidates. This one shoots at Clark, others target other candidates. It serves no useful purpose to engage with them.
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thalerd Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:07 PM
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27. What are you basng that on?
You say his numbers are "poor," but he polls no lower than third in any of the upcoming states, and is currently in either first or second place in most of them.

Perhaps, just maybe, there are folks out there who believe in him ... even if you don't know them personally?

You are free to make your predictions and support whatever candidate you wish. But might I ask what you're basing these "poor and dropping" comments on?
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:58 PM
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31. Kerry has no organization in many states and is behind him in all of
the polls except in a few states. What do you base this on?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:43 PM
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11. WOW
We could see a return to the 50's. Brokered conventions. Backroom wheeling and dealing.

This may not be decided until August. Don't know it that is a good thing since whoever wins will be bloodied beyond belief but it will be intgeresting political theater.

MzPip
:dem:
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:46 PM
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14. not August, July in Boston
but your right it may well be a brokered convention, which is a good thing!
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:07 PM
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26. Very End of July
so not so far off.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:48 PM
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16. Interesting analysis. I can see the logic of your argument.
But I still find it a little hard to believe that Edwards would beat out Kerry. Also, Clark has an excellent chance of taking South Carolina and Missouri, IMO.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:59 PM
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19. Clark will stay whear he is strong
On February third everyone will go to where they are best positioned to win. Clark will go west where he is ahead. Kerry will go to Missouri and Delaware and Edwards will go to Missouri and South Carolina. Kerry won't even try to compete with Clark and Edwards in South Carolina so he will stay with states like Missouri and Delaware and probably spend a day or two in the western states. Clark will protect the west and take a stab at South Carolina.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:01 PM
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20. Clark/Edwards Is A Dream Ticket
Yeah I know I'm dreaming but that is one unbeatable ticket and setting up Edwards as future Prez....
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:03 PM
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22. Yeah a southern sweep, that makes me comfortable...not
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:23 PM
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29. One problem with your scenario
I seriosuly doubt Kerry wins NH by a hair - he wins it by a landslide. Edwards is not really competing there but will get a bounce - I assume enough to get a strong third. I think Clark takes second and Dean 4th which means Dean has to drop out or face ridicule and/or constant questions about when he'll drop out. Clark and Edwards are wild cards here but I've read today that Gephardt aides are going to Kerry in droves in NH and he is actively courting them for Missouri. I also think labor naturally gravitates towards Kerry as they did in Iowa and he uses his substantial backing from Firefighters and Veterans to parlay strong working class support. If Kerry wins NH, he's got a real shot at MO which is wide open after all and a good shot at AZ, ND, and Delaware. Clark and Edwards are going to blow their respective loads on SC and will emerge somewhat weaker after that. Kerry takes MI/WA on Feb.7 no problem and this thing is then over.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 05:18 PM
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32. Clark, yes. Edwards and IWR, No.
As a Dean supporter I could vote for Clark. Not so for Edwards.
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