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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:34 PM
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Jeff Gannon-dance, monkeys, dance
The Gannon thing is a convenient distraction from the announcement that J. Negroponte, overlord of the neo-fascist death squads of Central America,longtime servant of the neocon death cult Bush Crime empire, is named as high lord overseer of ALL 15 (15!!!) intelligence agencies in the country, accountable only to W?

But the blogosphere is all atwitter over salacious details of the ongoing Gannon-Guckert scandal, and no one is looking harder at Negroponte.

Where's the blogger brigade now?

Is it Prozac in the water supply that causes everyone to just shrug at this development?
:tinfoilhat:
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:36 PM
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I guess he has just put so
many outrageous people in places of power that it isn't shocking anymore.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:39 PM
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2. And our elected officials don't have enough votes to block his nom's.
BUT the Gannon story will ultimately create the desired result... impeachment of Shrubco...and ALL appointees who perjured themselves under oath re: countless criminal activities.

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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:44 PM
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11. I, and most of the rest of the world, would be ecstatic if your
prediction were to come to pass. I don't believe that it will.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:36 PM
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1. I guess he has just put so
many outrageous people in places of power that it isn't shocking anymore.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:40 PM
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5. I really fear this latest development
I was in Central America, and the I'll never forget the underlying fear among everyone.

I really think they are using the stolen money from Iraq to fund the whole shebang right here in our country, and soon.

That's how evil this Negroponte bastard is.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:40 PM
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3. Death Squads were never pinned on Negroponte
Even though it is pretty much believed he was influential in their development. I doubt this retread is any more stoppable than Rummy, Wolfie or the other light hating NeoCon maniacs. Gannon gives us a chance to document the oozing slime back to the source (maybe).
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:40 PM
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4. We all know about Negroponte, but we also know
that with 56 Republicans and 44 Democrats, some of whom, like Lieberman, will nearly always do what the Bush Cabal wants, that there's not much we can do about his nomination.
Look what happened with Rice and Gonzoles. We had senators raise questions, but the jerks were appointed anyway.
I guess DUers feel like reforming the media by drawing attention to the whores paid by the Bush Administration is something we have a little more control over. I know I feel that way.
The only way to keep BushCo. in check and win any ground in 2006 is to reform the media. It's task No. 1 because, without it, we cannot reform elections and/or get the word out about the neo-cons.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:42 PM
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7. I agree wholeheartedly
Our loss of the media is a primary cause of our woes.
Howard Dean has stated thta he wants to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. That would be an excellent start.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:40 PM
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6. Not all the bloggers have been shrugging.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:44 PM
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10. I missed this!
A ray of light. Thanks, Will.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:43 PM
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8. So you think Rove planted Gannon to distract from Negroponte?
Personally I am on a campaign to educate my Senators about Negroponte. Google and you will find a lot of info on the blogs/net re Negroponte from when he was up for the UN position. . . for example this one:

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010727Negroponte.html


However, there are serious implications to Gannongate, Fake Reporter with apparently great access in the WH, supporteed the same tired old republican crowd who hounded Clinton and smeared Kerry.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:43 PM
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9. You are joking about the Prozac. But, sometimes I seriously
wonder if there is some sort of mind altering substance in the environment. Or, is it all, cognitive mind control? There's got to be an explanation as to why America has become so stupid.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:45 PM
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12. I know it "sounds" crazy
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 05:46 PM by Capn Sunshine
But I can't believe that it's just the media that has succeeded in dumbing people down so.

I am really disturbed by lack of outrage.

BTW what you mention I think is a primary point made by those "chemtrail" folks.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:59 PM
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14. I believe that the lack of outrage is due to psychiatric fatigue.
I've heard about the "chem trails". I rather doubt that there is any mind control going on there.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:58 PM
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13. Uncovering media corruption NEEDS to be issue #1
We will have 100 more Negroponte situations until we expose the GOP/media propaganda system.

I'm not convinced that the Negroponte thing would be a "scandal" at all, with or without this Media-gate scandal.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:02 PM
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15. What has he done that would be cause for REPUBLICANS
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 06:02 PM by bowens43
to block his nomination? The things that he has done that cause us to despise him make him a hero in the eyes of the republicans.

This isn't a battle we could win.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 07:00 PM
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22. Even republicans purport to support American ideals
The idea of roving squads of vigilantes who disappear people that speak out or openly fight their repressive government is disctinctly FASCIST, not American.

The neocons often confuse the two.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:11 PM
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16. More news on the death squad guy..
SNIPS~

President Bush's nomination of John Negroponte, the current United States Ambassador to Iraq, to be the nation's first National Director of Intelligence (DNI) is puzzling, if not troubling. The President has left a critical gap in Baghdad and settled for his fourth choice, a man who may not have the strength to do battle with Donald Rumsfeld in the upcoming struggle for control of the intelligence bureaucracy.

* The real question is not whether Negroponte lacks the management capabilities and experience in the intelligence community to succeed, but whether he is the strongest candidate to bring together 15 agencies and go toe-to-toe with Rumsfeld, who currently controls 80 percent of the estimated $40 billion intelligence budget. President Bush struck out at least three times on his way to settling on Negroponte.


More at...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1608191
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:18 PM
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19. Oh, duh. Like they are looking for someone to go toe-to-toe
with Rummie.

His nomination is "troubling"?! So what. Boxer called Condi's lies "troubling".

Face it, we get Negroponte, and that's that.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:24 PM
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20. Yeah, we "got him"..but
all this negroponte history and knowledge is worthwhile as his appointment unfolds.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:14 PM
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17. Pfffftt...
"AS IF"! the Dems had stood TOGETHER against RiceLiar or GonzalesTorturer.

Even if they'd been affirmed, it would have been meaningful if the Dem senators and reps had stood strong and together to unanimously oppose these criminal creeps. But, nah, a few bothered to stand up for what is RIGHT... just a few.

It gets tiresome to spend hours emailing, FAXing and phoning these people, just to have them roll over on the vote and then send a generic return email full of platitudes.

The dems are not going to let DeathSquadMan be affirmed? Puhleeze. Been there, done that already.

I thank and admire those senators and congress people who have opposed Rice and Gonzales. But, the bulk of the Dems have seemingly decided to be complicit with the criminals.

I am depressed, disgusted, demoralized and despondent.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:17 PM
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18. While I agree Negroponte is worthy of our disgust,
it won't matter when the vote is taken unless he's somehow offended a bunch of Republicans. So far a liar has been installed as Secretary of State and a person who views the Geneva Conventions as "quaint" has been dubbed Attorney General. The chances of stopping this nomination are nonexistent. Gannon/Guckert/Bulldog-gate has captured the media's attention and we have to pursue it as vigorously as the Republicans went after the stained blue dress. At the very least, this smarmy episode in the Bush White House will put the brakes on the notion the Republicans have the market cornered on morals. Best case scenario, it's tied directly to Bush and he takes the helicopter ride.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 06:26 PM
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21. Hello - we couldn't stop Condi's assent to a higher office, we
couldn't stop Gonzales annointment as chief law enforcement officer of our nation, we couldn't stop the certification of the votes, we couldn't stop class action reform, what makes you think we can stop Negroponte from being appointed as the intelligence warlord?

Jimmy-Jeff opens the door to stopping the admin in their tracks. If his exposure can bring shame to the admin for either its obvious efforts to control the media or its questionable association with a gay prostitute, then maybe, just maybe we can prevent the moderate repukes from constantly siding with their clown-n-chief.

It was the coverup that exposed the scandal that was Watergate. We may have found their weak link and we need to pull at it until it snaps.

This may be the way to stop the BFEE or to cripple them. How many moderate repukes want to be associated with a sex scandal? How many of their base want to know that the WH gave carte blanche access to a gay prostitute?

This may be the only way we prevent them from continuing their evil ways. Expose their manipulation of the facts, their planting of shills and their exposing out nation to all types of national security violations.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 07:02 PM
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23. I wonder what the blogosphere could uncover that would be unacceptable
if they concentrated on it.
That's the point of my somewhat paranoid post.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 07:25 PM
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24. Being afraid of uncovering something about our political
leaders, whether dem or repug, is not a concern of mine. The old saying judge not lest ye be judged applies to those that craft the laws that cover me and, as of late, threaten my nation.

As the courts have long held, those that chose to live public and political lives have opened themselves up to scrutiny and publication of their deeds. If they want privacy, stay out politics.

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 07:37 PM
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25. The problem is..
... you assume...

1) that Americans give a rat's ass what happens in Latin America and

2) that Americans would believe anyone's allegations of his role

What lazy, stupid, "please entertain me 24/7" Americans can get behind is a gay-whore-whitehouse-mole-fake-reporter-gate.

You are wasting your time worrying about Negroponte, it is a done deal with the crop of shitheads we have in the Senate.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 08:19 PM
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26. tell it to the Democrats who gave him a pass
it aint like we have a say in this abomination. However, you seem to be missing our great gift of an opportunity. Gannon is the worst thing that EVER happened to the Bush dynasty.
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