Dean/Perle on at 8:00 ET on CSPAN...

[janx]

for those of you who would like to see it.

[Rican1]

1. Will they show Perle getting hit by the shoe?

I wish I had a Tivo so I could watch that over and over again.

[janx]

3. Don't know!

:shrug: I suppose so though.

[tridim]

8. When does the shoe incident happen?

Anyone know? I don't want to miss it.

[burythehatchet]

11. during his opening..within the next 10 minutes I think

[janx]

51. That guy sounded like my brother.

It sounded as if he was saying "You fucking liar!"

Did it sound that way to you?

[burythehatchet]

54. that's what he said..cspan did a good job editing the MF out

[janx]

56. So he said "You mother fucking liar" ?

Because it sounded like "You fucking liar!" to me. My brother looks like someone with a conservative haircut (gray) who should be on the front of an L.L. Bean catalog. But he walks around that way, not afraid to wear a "fuck Bush" button on his sweater.

And he lives in the Portland area. I should call him and find out what he was doing that night...

[EFerrari]

2. Omigod! Thanks for the reminder. I really want to see this! ny

[FreedomAngel82]

57. I missed it

because I was coming home. Any repeats this weekend?

[janx]

58. Check this link for updates:

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dschedule


I can't imagine that they would not repeat this performance. It's incredible.

[DesEtoiles]

4. Shoe missed- but the protester was yelling a lot of profanity

wonder if that will be on

[burythehatchet]

5. been looking forward to this all day

hope the shoe doesn't get edited

[mzmolly]

6. Thanks Janx, Nominated!

:hi:

[janx]

39. You're welcome!

I was waiting for this one and was not disappointed.

[mzmolly]

49. Nor was I. Dean did a great job.

I wish he'd have called them on their exploitation of 911, but I expect he feels that's a given.

:hi:

[janx]

50. Yep. That's pretty obvious now. n/t

[burythehatchet]

7. the un-dead has arrived

[Skink]

12. Did I miss the shoe?

Great now I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[burythehatchet]

9. wow..I'm shocked he invoked 9/11

shocked

He said something very thought-provoking....let me see if I can quote it accurately..."Spetember 11 changed everything".. Profound...Idiot.

[mandyky]

10. I'm watching!

Waiting forthe MFL guy! LOL

[Skink]

14. I think I heard Pearl say....

He wished he could vote for a Dem.:wtf:

[Eloriel]

16. It's PERLE -- the correct spelling, that is

in case anyone cares.

[burythehatchet]

18. actually it's spelled

douchebag

[mandyky]

59. Both he and Wolfie are Dems

The caveat to wish he could vote for a Dem was if they were stronger on defense. What I take that to mean is if they do what the neocons want and protect Israel at any cost.

[burythehatchet]

13. m****rF*****G LIAR

[janx]

42. I think that was what the shoe guy said--or something along

those lines. ;-)

[Rican1]

15. WTF! Perle just referred to himself as a Democrat

Stated he wished Dems were more concerned with national security- So that he can vote democratic again.

Now he's bringing up 9/11, big surprise

[EFerrari]

22. Some of the Cons started out as Dems. (Let that be a lesson :)

[Raksha]

24. Perle *IS* a Democrat! Sad but true.

I don't believe he's ever changed parties either.

[EFerrari]

26. He said he doesn't vote Dem. Maybe he believes that because

he doesn't vote Dem, the party vanished? In line with the Cons pseudologic.

[shance]

29. Saying your a Democrat and being a Democrat are two different things.

I judge a Dem by their voting record, which of course deletes a number of people in our Congress that qualify themselves as Democrats.

[burythehatchet]

17. If a missile can be sent up your

ass Richard I'll pay for it

[Skink]

19. OK Richard what was the result of the airstrike....

It all went underground. But hey let's forget about Diplomacy jerk.

[tridim]

20. This is really good!

The crowd rocks! Letting Perle have it for his lies. :D

[EFerrari]

25. Jim Moore to Dean, "Ho do we reassert moral authority?"

(Uh, first have to regain morality?)

[janx]

32. I wish I had thought to tape it.

It's fascinating!

[burythehatchet]

21. does this turd believe his own crap?

[janx]

38. I don't know, but his logic is so transparently simplistic and flawed.

And he is still pushing the culture of fear--missiles aimed at Portland from N. Korea, indeed!

[burythehatchet]

40. at the very core is the philosophy of NEVER taking

responsibility for their actions. Notice perle's statement about the occupation. He says "mistakes were made, but I never wanted to have the occupation. I wanted to leave after we toppled Saddam". No matter what happens the cult members can never admit error.

on edit: you can't admit error unless you are also confessing to the criminal intent in his case.

[janx]

43. Well that was an outright lie. He was one of the original PNAC

members. He knew damn well that occupation would be a part of this mess.

[burythehatchet]

23. impeccable logic Richard

terrorists breed when there are dictators. So why do they hit other countries richard?

[Guaranteed]

27. Perle....you DID just cede that we've lost the moral

high ground.

[Skink]

28. Nice to see Howard back in action.....

Not that he hasn't been day after day but he's been running for stuff for a long time.

[burythehatchet]

30. Dean is at his best when he's not reading prepared comments

he seems to have a great sense of timing for delivering the zinger

[EFerrari]

35. Got that right. Never heard this Dean before tonight. n/t

[janx]

41. That's because this was an actual debate.

The primary "fora" weren't really debates at all.

[Skink]

44. Exactly.

Dean should watch tapes of Clinton, and even himself. Kind of like a basketball team watching tapes of practice or the last game. As a musician ( sax player) I record my practice sessions all the time then go out for a walk and listen to it. I may or may not throw up..... but Clinton had it down. Look ahead just like reading music.
Reading Dean is mind blowing. He needs to learn how to smoothly communicate his ideas. Doesn't really matter now, he is behind the scenes and that is why the thugs are scared.

[janx]

47. He did that very well from what I saw tonight.

When Perle insulted Colin Powell, Dean could not pass up the chance to respond. It was perfect!

[burythehatchet]

31. listen carefully to perle's closing

therein lies the foundation of ALL the lies

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[EFerrari]

34. When you know how to listen to these criminals, they sound

stupid and delusional.

Not constructive, I'm sorry.

And, btw, I'm a Green. I watched Dean and have never seen him have this kind of an op to take on the Cabal. If he doesn't run, we need to draft him. No sh!t, just well spoken, blunt, effective and RIGHT.

[Placebo]

36. Following Dean up with RICK SANTORUM?

As he talks about the "importance of the family"? Oy. :puke:

[janx]

37. The last question Dean posed to Perle, about N. Korea--

it was a softball, all right; it was a very "gentlemanly" question. (The irony was not lost on this household...) Dean posed it with a lot of class...and then watched as Perle made a complete ass of himself! I was laughing so hard.

We picked a good one, guys. Dean was at his very best.

[madfloridian]

45. That "benign dictator" remark was interesting.

I heard that before. I assume from Dubai...where he was in September. A "benign dictatorship is better than a democracy." Yes, that was chilling. My fear is that our behavior in Iraq lately might feed into that notion. We have not had a good fact on there.

I was proud of our new chair tonight. Taking back the agenda.

[janx]

46. Had you seen this before, MF?

I hadn't. It was really intriguing.

[madfloridian]

48. No, just watched it tonight.

He did a great job. I had heard that quote about the benign dictatorship before. Dean owned that debate.
:hi:

[janx]

55. YES, he did!

The right wing put up a man they thought was their best, and the guy was torn to shreds! For all of his egotistical, multisyllabic and fear-filled rhetoric, he was taken down!

[tishaLA]

52. I really liked when Dean said Iraq was

"low-hanging fruit" and that's why we invaded. That's an excellent soundbite!

[janx]

53. Dean's use of analogy and metaphor are excellent.

They are creative and soundly logical.