Sure a lot of Gannon nay sayers posting, but this is THE scandal!

[tinanator]

I spose the numerous threads being posted saying this and saying that might reflect the deeper meaning, but HOLY SHIT BATMAN! this is the beginning of the end of the Bush dynasty and the fantasy world built around their power grabs. They will have nothing left but bullets and bombs very shortly. Watch with the same delight I have as the faithful lose it while remembering the Omaha scandal I have been shaking like a rag doll for years. Anyone who says any aspect of Gannon is a dead end doesnt have what it takes to secure victory. Or they dont want Bush to suffer defeat. Same difference I guess. The house, the house, the house is on fire. Burn Bush baby, burn!

[tuvor]

1. I like the way you think! n/t

[usregimechange]

93. That is how I am selling it

[Dookus]

2. I think it's too soon to tell

as it stands today, this scandal doesn't touch Bush. It MIGHT touch Maclellan, but more likely somebody who reports to somebody who reports to Maclellan.

However, it's a delightful scandal - more fun than any that's come along in years. But it will take some new, bigger revelations before this actually becomes something Bush need be concerned about.

[tuvor]

6. I'm sure there'll be more revelations.

Anyone who thinks that all that has been revealed is all there IS to reveal is naive at best.

[Dookus]

11. I agree

there'll be more, but I don't think we can anticipate what they'll be. They COULD be nice and juicy, or they could be next-to-nothing.

Certainly there are questions still unanswered, but I think too many here are quick to provide the answers they want without any particular reason to back them up.

I know a contingent here believes Bush and Gannon were lovers - I don't, and I don't believe for a second any such revelation will come out, as much as I'd enjoy it.

This story could very likely end in the Press Office with some unknown junior aide fired.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Even if nothing comes out of it

I'm at least curious about this whole thing. It seems like everytime there's a new day there's a new light on this. Of course I am silently praying this does something, but who knows?

[tinanator]

69. hey easy with that word "naive"

I seemed to have had a post deleted as a personal attack for making the suggestion.

[XemaSab]

63. Isn't that

How Watergate got started?

One scandal after another hitting more and more of Nixon's cabinet?

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. All the Watergate scandals

eventually connected. They all led to Nixon who was willing to do anything, including cheating, to get re-elected. And it took time to connect all those dots.

[tsuki]

87. It certainly touches the FBI and Secret Service that vetted the guy and

passed him. I would say it more than touches them, and Homeland Security. "Let the eagles soar, like they never did before..."

[lancdem]

3. What's makes you so optimistic?

I'm not dismissing anything you say. I'm just curious. I'd love to think Gannongate will be the end of Bush, but I'm not there yet.

[tinanator]

5. because it harkens to the Omaha scandal

and when those bodies are disinterred aint NOBODY gonna spin child sex slavery into gold. The numerous arms of this one prostitute scandal will drag them ALL into the vortex of failure. GW and Victor, Rove, GHWB, Rathergate maybe? Omaha has ALWAYS been my favorite Poppy pressure point, and now its gonna see daylight like never before. Screw the fascist media, they will be forced to follow along while this stuff turns into the black hole for the Bush dynasty.
-the only way they can put it behind them is by killing him right quick and hushing the tin hatters with the same old same old.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Just me wondering but

can you explain the Omaha thing? I'm not quite sure about that. I think I get what you're talking about but I'm not 100% sure.

[tinanator]

71. here you go

http://www.tarpley.net/bush21.htm

the chapter heading is why I always refer to it as the Omaha thing.

[zann725]

81. Even if OUR M.S.M doesn't uncover it, there's always Foreign Press.

And the Int'l. Community right now wants Bush out (in more ways than one).

[tsuki]

88. Not the end, just a non-defensible scandal. While there are excusers for

every other scandal...WMD's, illegal war, lies, distortions, etc, what can be said about this scandal?

Up the terror alert?

Al-Quaeda speaks?

I'm being persecuted b/c I'm a Christian?

[senseandsensibility]

4. Anyone who doesn't want to use Guckert

to bring down * is not on our side. This isn't a smear, it isn't an invasion of the whore's "privacy", and it isn't gossip. It will show people who aren't inclined to face it what this administration is all about.

[earth mom]

51. Thanks for saying what I've been thinking...NOW I get it...

Some of the post on this topic around here in some of the threads haven't been making sense. NOW I get it.

[tx_dem41]

7. Nice, divisive post. n/t

[tinanator]

8. you can do much better

and Im sure youll try try again

[tx_dem41]

12. Hey, I agree its a scandal, and possibly THE scandal.

I haven't seen many posts that are denying that. Even the "Man-whore" thread currently up, I think is subtlely criticizing the direction some DUers are taking it without denigrating the overall potential impact of the scandal. But, I can't divine if the OPer actually meant that.

I just refuse to travel down the baseless rumor-mongering path that some are taking. That doesn't make me a nay-sayer. It just makes me one who wants to stay focused on the part of the scandal that will have impact and not make the story die due to some looking silly.

[countingbluecars]

9. I hope you are right.

I have been following the developments all week. I want this to be the scandal that finally brings * down. But, help me out, my husband asked me what laws were broken. ???

[tinanator]

13. take your pick

i spose the notion that prostitution is illegal in WDC might be laughable, but gay prostitution in the white house press corp has an odor that just cant be perfumed. I believe there are laws against propaganda that might apply to the various other whores tainted by recent disclosures, BUT the crux of the biscuit is the effect Gannon?guckert is going to have on the Bush faithful, especially the ballyhooed right wing religious sects they credit with everything they have stolen. Thats where the lethal dose takes effect.

[ashmanonar]

56. plus, there's an issue of security risk.

if a prostitute without any previous journalistic credentials got into the white house, and into the presence of the prez, who else could?

[calimary]

65. Besides that, what kind of blackmail risk was this guy? And when you

start to wonder who was giving him all these tips - such as the one recounted by that radio producer who recalls him predicting that in four hours, bush was going to go on the air and announce we're attacking Iraq - and it turned out to be true. If he's getting tips like THAT, who's he close to? Who's he getting it from? Why are THEY leaking that stuff to him? Who's telling THEM to do so, or hinting or giving them the idea, etc. And if he fell into the wrong hands, or some "client" of his was working for the Other Side, what kind of pillow talk might that have produced? A national security risk if ever there was one. Besides, this guy already has proven over and over that he's got some pretty loose lips. He DID like to brag... and not simply about the dimensions of his schlong. Someone who'll brag about that will brag about a LOT of stuff, because that someone is basically VERY insecure, and needing other "attributes" and "perks" and things to fill out his self-esteem gaps.

I mean, if you were in the real, honest-to-God enemy camp, wouldn't you be searching, over AND under the radar, for the exact kind of weakest link this guy is/was?

And remember, too, this is from the "family values" and "I can keep you safer than they can" bunch. Yeah. Sure. With a "loose gannon" like this guy running around with his Brag and Swagger, I REALLY feel a whole lot safer. Yeah. Sure.

[ashmanonar]

66. yep. blackmail was an issue too.

you're right on all respects.

[tinanator]

72. "loose Gannon"

spectacular pun. thanks :)

[calimary]

83. Thanks - I kinda like it myself.

Well, what the hell? I mean, it's not like the guy doesn't bring this stuff onto himself. He's a sitting guck(ert).

[Kimber Scott]

78. Is felatio in the Oval Office against the law? This isn't about law.

They've built themselves a house of cards - pretending to be pious, "grown-ups" - and the wind is starting to blow.

[QC]

10. Yeah, anybody who doesn't see the matter exactly as you do

is on Bush's side. :eyes:

Yer eether with us er agin us! Where have I heard that one before?

[tinanator]

14. heres what I said web spinner

"Anyone who says any aspect of Gannon is a dead end doesnt have what it takes to secure victory. Or they dont want Bush to suffer defeat. Same difference I guess"
two words for ya
you know em

[tx_dem41]

19. Yep, QC...

pretty much what you said.

Lets go a'witch-hunting. Who cares what principles we trash in the process.

[tinanator]

21. yes please do be sure to protect the (what is it?) sexual dignity of a

liar, thief, mass murderer whose victims are dying every day in Iraq and elsewhere. You wouldnt want to stray from the high road on your path to (where ever it is you are headed) while thousands maybe millions die and suffer mutilation, oppression, deprivation of a secure right to democratic elections. Yes, by all means, protect your fearless leader from injustices, real or imagined. Just wouldnt be right for any untruths or for that matter, truths, to play a part in the publics perception of this Godly man, or in the debate that may ultimately lead to his permanent disgrace.

[tx_dem41]

23. You seem to have a lot more in common with "your fearless leader"..

than I do, Tinanator. So, why don't have the fun cozying up with him. Heck, from what I can tell, you would fit right in!

[tinanator]

24. explain that if you dont mind

If youd care to compare your history of anti-Bush actions to mine, Id be happy to do that. Aint a sane soul on this planet that would EVER put me on the side of the Bush dynasty. If I paid you, would you write an entertaining or useful post?

[tx_dem41]

25. I'm not comparing actions...

just principles.

[tinanator]

26. phony rhetoric

if discussing gay people involved in the horrendous tragedies that have befallen our country and much of the world these days is unprincipled, well, youre bringin a swiss army knife to a serious gunfight. Best of luck buddy, Im all for principles, otherwise Id be quite the happy Republican, wouldnt I? At least until Gannon blew the whole 9 yards. Nice day, aint it?

[tx_dem41]

30. It's nice to see you sticking up for gays.

You must be as bothered as I am at the tendency for posters to not be able to write "prostitute" without sticking "gay" in front of it. Yep, anything to "sleaze up" the story for the bigoted masses.

And, while we're playing these games, threads about the substantive parts of this issue hardly get posted to.

[sendero]

45. By all means...

... lets allow them to pillory and trash and hound our president for 8 years over damn near nothing, but let's take the high road when we find a planted press corp stooge with enough baggage to sink a battleship.

Yes, let's not get hasty. Wouldn't want to accidently make a false accusation. Wouldn't be prudent.

Where have you been sir if you think we shouldn't do with this what the Repugs have done with "scandals" only 1% as real?

This timidity and hand-wringing is why Kerry is not president at this very moment, and all of this would be moot.

[ashmanonar]

57. not everybody cares about the gay aspect of it.

i certainly don't. the fact is that he's a prostitute, and that's illegal. he used an assumed name in the whitehouse, when they clearly had to have known his real name. either they didn't know that he was a former(current?) prostitute, in which case it was a security risk; or they knew, and it was a classification risk.

either way you look at it, without dragging in the homophobia, there was/is something seriously wrong going on in the whitehouse.

[tsuki]

89. Maybe you have to be a military brat from the 50's and 60's to understand

the security issue of it. We, my brother and I, were drilled our entire childhood on security, security, security. Don't talk, don't say what you father does, where he works. You don't know. Even today, at my advanced age, I never ask what anyone does for a living or where they work.

We were told that we would be tested by operatives of the FBI etc.

How much of it was true. Don't know. BUT, what I do know is that for Jeff Gannon, whomever, to get a pass to the WH Press Room took more clout than you can ever imagine. To get through both the FBI and Secret Service without being challenged.

A LOT of clout.

[ashmanonar]

101. yea.

i don't know first hand about security in various situations, or to get to the president, but i do know from what i've read that the past 4 presidents have been damn near impossible to get near at all, even just to talk to (with the possible exception of ray-gun- hello, he got shot - and clinton, just bc he was supposedly a cool guy)

if we had a good president, i'd love to speak with him/her (i know presidents are busy people); but i don't see that happening anytime soon in the future. kinda sad, really. unfortunately, they have to protect presidents so tightly now that you can't just meet them and shake hands, except in rare rare rare occasions.

on edit: forgot to mention...i think blackmail was a big factor in how gannon/guckert got so far into the press corps.

[Maraya1969]

62. The Repubs got Clinton over a stained blue dress

If we need to use "gay prostitute" to denigrate * then I'm all for it. He is the JERK who proposed the amendment to the US Constitution banning gay marriage. If his words come back to smack him in his ass I'm all for it.

I think the "gay" part needs to be highlighted because * is such a homophobe and so are his followers. So many of these people are closeted gays anyway. It would be the greatest day in the history of * if he or one of his cronies could be caught having gay sex. But it has nothing to do with gay sex. It has to do with Bush's open denigration of gays.

How many powerful men publicly condemned homosexuality but practiced it in private? (There are the rumors about Hitler and Hoover - I'm sure there are plenty more)

[bobbieinok]

100. isn't new head of rep party gay??

[QC]

20. Yep, like I said, you claim that anyone who disagrees with you on this

is either a coward or a Bushevik.

I agree that this is a scandal, but I think the heart of it is Bush's manipulation of the press, of which this is part of a larger pattern. Unfortunately, most of us have gotten so hung up in the nekkid pitchers and "do you think Gannon is porkin' Bush's woowoo?" and other such juvenile snickering that the real scandal is getting lost.

And if you want to tell me to fuck off, just come right out and say it. There's no need to be coy--I've been around here long enough not to expect anything different from you.

[tinanator]

22. kiss me you fool

right here, on the ... Anybody who disagrees with me? No, those who would pull the reins in are not working towards the quick death of a fascist dictator. Thats a lot worse than disagreeing with me, but go ahead and repeatedly misrepresent, or fail to comprehend my ranting.
I dont give a shit, is that clear to ya?

[QC]

29. Who said anything about "pulling in the reins"?

Tell me, how does reducing a serious abuse of the public's right to know what their government is doing into playground snickering over peepees and hoohoos and sissyboys, as has happened in about 90% of the Gannon threads here, help bring about "the quick death of a fascist dictator"?

And yes, it's long been clear that you don't give a shit...about a lot of things.

[tinanator]

31. not about you fer darn sure

one of your mistakes seems to be in thinking that what we think matters to Bush or the media. Would that be the definition of delusional or simply fatally mistaken?
another would be to insult me in ways you cannot possibly substantiate or elucidate upon, apparently because something I may have said tweaked your sensibilities.
either back up your remarks about me, or accept the label of hypocrite.

[tsuki]

90. I tend to think it's the security issue, not the maipulation issue. Or

maybe both.

[TexasLawyer]

15. Re: Guckert,, ho hum... "pseudo-scandal"

I started a thread with this title, but don't judge the thread by its cover. It's a collection of some of the desparate (and yet oddly humorous!) spins that the freep crowd is putting on Mangayte.

I think the story is WAY big. Let's get it all out in the open (figuratively speaking, of course).


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1609370

[senseandsensibility]

16. Great thread!

I wanted to ask, aren't the freepers even aware of the prostitution angle and websites? Or are they just playing dumb?

[tinanator]

18. they know and whats more

they know about Omaha. dontcha, freepers? hi! nice day aint it?

[Freebird12004]

86. it's "Ostrich" time

put your head in the sand until the problem goes away

[tinanator]

17. yeah i caught that

I can almost never stomach the Free Republic, but right now, its better than sliced bread.

[Just Me]

49. Guckert is the KEY that opens that door we all want people to walk,...

,...through and take a damned good look at what has been taking place.

My only cautionary concern is that Guckert will end up being a patsy and the KEY he presents himself as will be thrown away.

I want the whole story out there.

[UdoKier]

27. I hope so.

But Plame was a much more serious crime and has gotten very little media play compared to say, Gary Condit...

Now, if there was evidence that BUSH or CHENEY were PERSONALLY doing Gucckert, it would do the trick, but short of that, I just don't think non-activist folks care about this stuff at all. Sorry, but they just don't care about anything that requires more than 3 seconds' worth of thought or research.

[tinanator]

28. think like a fundy

play it up as hard and loud as possible, they CANNOT brook this.\
There is so much to the Omaha story and all the other GW legends that the DYNASTY will be disgraced. It aint about that alky front monkey frat boy, its about the whole ball of wax.

[Fovea]

61. As my down the road neighbor Fred Phelps will soon have to shout

'God hates George Bush!'
'God hates Karl Rove!'
'God hates the White house staff!'


I would pay cash money to see this...

[marcologico]

32. Very true. Sex, Marines, White House, Bush, every red-state sacred cow.

Plus butt-fucking and prostitution, their favorite hobbies. They'll pay attention if they have to. If Dems blow this chance to take out Shrubster they'll never get another one.

[tx_dem41]

35. Wow...not one mention of the important things...

like the WH subverting the First Amendment thru paid propaganda, and possibly exposing national security secrets to unscreened individuals.

Yep, keep with the "butt-fucking" angle. Its a winner. :eyes:

[marcologico]

36. How far did the other payola stories go? How far does ANY story go that

doesn't have a sex angle?

[tx_dem41]

38. As I remember Watergate went pretty far....

but you're right. Lets start a national witch hunt against gays. Because, that's what its going to turn into. "Butt-fuckers" beware!

[marcologico]

39. This isn't 1972 and Shrub isn't Nixon. He owns the media and he's

our national lord and savior.

[mattclearing]

55. Apparently you haven't been paying attention the last five years.

People don't get outraged when the Bill of Rights is infringed upon. The media drops it because it is bad for ratings.

But give people an opportunity to talk about homosexuality and its effects on politics, and they will talk about it through an entire election cycle.

It's totally salacious and involves White House officials.

Regardless of what real implications it has, this is the angle that will get coverage and ultimately bring attention to the very real crimes that are associated with it.

[TexasLawyer]

43. and if there's a NASCAR angle, the circle will be complete!

[marcologico]

64. And let's not forget the Bible angle (which IS part of the story) n/t

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34. 52 warnings about 9/11 is the real scandal

That makes this Gannon stuff look like the tabloid bullshit that it is.

[QC]

37. Yes, but did any homos issue any of those 52 warnings?

Were any of them ever rentboys? Do they have nude photos? How big are their peckers? Did Bush ever touch their pecker? These are the important issues that we must get to the bottom of, so to speak.

[tinanator]

40. you pull your direction, we'll pull ours

good luck teaching the media and other Bush backers to give a shit about the constitution or the law, or anything whatsoever.
Nobody will call you an opportunist, at least.

[Dr Fate]

60. LOL! "The sex" is one thing no one can seem to get around...

I think you are right- it is the only angle that will get through to average Americans...

[tinanator]

41. more like 52+ real scandals

a new one every day since day one of the Bush occupation of the White House. Each more serious than the last, but not to the fundy Ostrichs who are the supposed non-wealthy elite base of this regime. His legs are going to be cut off by the reality of this situation, not by rumor or innuendo. the purported hyper PC sensibilities of the squeamish who wont even listen to the testimony of openly gay posters on these subjects should deter us?

[seventythree]

76. I don't doubt the truth of what you say,

but 44% still think Iraqis flew those planes -- so let's face it, the people don't care if Bush flew them through remote control -- but some gay liason with people close to Bush who are telling security secrets --that they won't like.

[B Calm]

42. So Gannon is a queer male prostitute with very close ties to Bush

The red states don't care. Because all they are worried about is if the queers in Aladamnbama can't marry.

[Vinnie From Indy]

44. kick n/t

[bunny planet]

48. I sure hope you are right. Will this be the story that finally brings the

'Teflon Don' that is our President down?

Burn bushbaby burn. I like it.

[Slyder]

50. It will deeply wound the Repugs

This is the kind of scandal that has historically pushed regimes over the edge. The Clinton/Lewinsky scandal helped bring * to office. The scandal of the "Queen's Diamonds" weakened the credibility of the ancien regime in France previous to the French Revolution. I have solid Republican acquaintances (I'm in Kansas, for heaven's sake, so don't flame me for consorting with Republicans!) who are already asking questions about this--more as a security breach than sex scandal. Others will not be so kind.

Combine a scandal like this with a regime that has cried wolf once too often, and the ultimate effect could be incendiary! It is like a sore on a chicken's backside that other chickens will pick at. It will eventually do in the wounded chicken. This is going to be fun to watch, because the arrogant Repugs in authority richly deserve it.

[earth mom]

52. I'm nominating this thread! We must NEVER GIVE UP on exposing *! nt

[mattclearing]

53. I keep saying it, there is blood in the water.

They are wounded, flailing about, the media aren't sure where to go, the election was a disaster, both here and in Iraq, and this Gannon thing threatens to blow their cover on a variety of things.

They are vulnerable. They are injured. I say we keep pushing.

They may be most dangerous when they are cornered, but they are still most vulnerable as well.

[DemoTex]

54. I thought Plame was THE scandal. Gannon + Plame = Perfect Storm.

Now that Gannon links to Plame (and other things), I think we might have The Perfect Storm brewing.


It's the hypocrisy, Bill ...

[Nothing Without Hope]

58. I think the gay prostitution is to gather intel and coerce support

It's a fine old espionage tactic. Pillow talk and blackmail. Andby the way, there was a huge gay prostitution scancal in the Reagan/Bush the First White House in 1989. Guess what - that administration derailed the investigation.

I have a thread on the use of gay prostitution (and maybe pedophilia) for blackmail purposes here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1609452#

And by the way, I'm one of the people who think "Gannon" is an undercover (sorry, puns are inevitable) agent of the White House.

[Dr Fate]

59. Which family-values Republicans did Gannon have sex with?

That is the question!

[Danascot]

67. There's a mention of the story from Time Magazine...

(apologies if this was posted earlier)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1029840,00.html

TIME Blogwatch

The mysterious tale of JIM GUCKERT continues to unfold on the Web two weeks after the White House reporter (using the nom de laptop Jeff Gannon) resigned. THE DAILY KOS and other blogs forced the issue--prompted by two years of Guckert's asking outrageously slanted questions--by drawing attention to his dubious credentials as an employee of the G.O.P.-aligned Talon News site. Blogs like AMERICABLOG last week gleefully dug up gay-escort sites that feature Guckert, and former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer admitted off-line that he looked into Guckert's partisanship as far back as two years ago.

[Catchawave]

68. This is not about gay, this is about

following the money :) Where's Ken Starr when ya need him???

[tsuki]

91. Still fondling the blue dress. n/t

[EVDebs]

70. The propaganda needs to be investigated but look who controls Congress

The minority can only request the majority to investigate. They will laugh it off...but bloggers, like old soldiers, never die...and we don't have to go away, now, do we ?

They will try to lance this boil, but the infection is too deep. Operation Mockingbird, military domestic psy-ops...do they dare to tell the truth and subject themselves to the inevitable blowback ? Or will they set up 'limited hang-outs' like during Watergate and protect the 'family jewels' -- like Bill Colby tried to do ?

He ended up on a lonely canoe trip.

[tsuki]

92. Yes, and we need to point out to the electorate that until we have an

opposition party in either the house or senate, we lack the checks and balances of the system.

[slybacon9]

73. This is bigger than Monica you fools!!!

i went out this weekend after sitting at home and working on my computer all week, thinking this is HUGE. EVERY person i talked to, even my parents, have NO idea this is going on...

WHAT THE HELL...

But when they find out, they are rocked. They think i'm making it up.

And now I'm worried that we are all starting to look the other way again and sigh and say its not going to do anything anyway...

BULLSHIT> This is bigger than Monica you fools!!!

We have a Male Prostitute getting past a CIA background check to get an all access pass to the white house and the ability to ask the president questions after 9-11. ARE YOU KIDDING?

What else does god have to do? Gift wrap the sonofabitch?


(also, i was thinking about something... doesn't gannon's bald head make him the perfect go to guy in a briefing? All they have to tell bush is "if you get in a jam, call on the bald guy." Even bush could figure that out.)

[Sparkle]

75. I agree, this is big.

But I think the word should get out to Gannon that he should get in contact with a liberal/democrat that can help him. I really believe the bushies will harm that man.

Btw, welcome to DU!

[slybacon9]

84. i thought that too

he is going cast out by everyone like a leper.

let's offer him a hand maybe. An "i'll scratch your back you scratch mine" sorta thing...

Just tell us which fascist you slept with, jimmy... everything will be fine.


Ps.. thanks Sparkle for the welcome.

[seventythree]

77. great point about baldy!

I actually was surprised that my chiropractor and his assistance had heard about it -- 'course he said he heard it on Faux News so I can only imagine what sort of story he heard.

[EVDebs]

96. Sly, you're onto Operation Mockingbird , domestic PsyOps military

and therefore opposition is to be EXPECTED. The reason media is softshoeing this is because they themselves have much to answer for. Their (MSM, corporate media) complicity for decades has resulting in this fiasco, which requires even further kidgloves handling by the military/intelligence/congressional complex.

The handling of Blowback has always been a sore spot for these boys and girls. It requires Sigint/PsyOps and the CIA to operate without detection in the spread of domestic disinformation during wartime.

Do you think Congress will act responsibly ? Nooooo. The Republicans profit from the disinformation the Bush admin is spreading. While the Constitution and the rest of the public is stuck with the bill, of course. BTW, how do you spin Guckert's slamming of "Democrats divorced from reality" and comment on economic issues...if indeed Guckert was operating under a wartime cover program of disinformation ? Just a way to get even more money for DoD in wartime at the expense of the domestic agenda ?

[Atman]

74. I finally got a 'toon up about Gannon and the MSM

New Gannon 'toon now online!

[TheDonkey]

79. How and why did he get in there needs to be exposed & with dramatic detail

this is going to be one of the many scandals that takes down the rethugs.

We already just came off of Propoganda-gate a few weeks ago.

[ClayZ]

80. Maybe all those orange Gates in New York

Are refering to the number of times bu$h & co. should have had the gate slammed shut on them. Art imitates life.

I like the Orange Gates. I also think of the Orange clothes the people in Ukrane wore when THEY stood up for themselves. Goverment for the people, what a concept! Higher Ideals. Under standing.

just IMHO!

[Vinnie From Indy]

102. lol n/t

[slybacon9]

85. Let's win this one for Hunter.

and cuz were liberals goddamit, and this is what we do. We fight for what is just in this world even when the odds are against us.

**sniff**

He woulda wanted that.

[Mr_Spock]

94. The hypocrisy of the Gay Old Party gets them every time

They're going down.

[texastoast]

95. It's a Rove Thing

KKKarl is the true scum involved in this. Topple Karl and Bush is brain dead. We need to be pushing our congresspeople to push for a full investigation.

If "Gannon" can get a pass from the FBI, what is up with that? Who hired him? Those are my questions. I don't care if "Gannon" is gay, and I don't think we should be shoving that down the throats (so to speak) of the repukes.

Has a national breach of FBI protocol occurred? Why?

Why, oh, why, indeed, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison and Representative Kevin Brady?

"This week Democrats, who have serious case of Rove envy, went a little nuts and started sending around information and graphic pictures of Gannon and his porn Web sites. But it is the more routine part of Gannon's life that deserves serious scrutiny. Planting or even just sanctioning a political operative in the WH press room is a dangerous precedent and Karl Rove's hope to become a respected policymaker will be hampered if the dirty tricks from his political past are more apparent than his desire to spread liberty around the globe."

'his desire to spread liberty around the globe.' LMAO!

Read more.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/18/opinion/lynch/main675050.shtml

[dooner]

97. Gannon vs. Monica

Yeah, at least Monica Lewinski wasn't using fake press credentials and publishing news stories about how great President Clinton was. Can you imagine?

In retrospect, "Monica in the oval office" scandal seems downright tame compared to the playground given to Jeff "boy toy" Gannon... and we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Does he have a red dress? Did he fly on Air Force One? Enquiring minds want to know!

[John_H]

98. no naysaying here. But sadly this story will not be picked up by the MSM

The Internet is an amazing tool, but it can't end utter corruption with the snap of a finger--or even a million of them.

[tinanator]

99. and the fascist media never will

down to us. And in the end, the reaction of the rightist reactionary backers of this sick SOB. Who cares what we think? Nobody.

[marcologico]

103. Guys if we bend over and clutch our ankles this story is dead in the water

or we'll be issuing "apologies." We've got to let the party know we're interested in pursuing it or they'll just keep laughing it off.