44% still think some 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi !

[RadiDem]

"More surprising perhaps are the large numbers (albeit not majorities) who believe the following claims not made by the president and which virtually no experts believe to be true:

-- 47 percent believe that Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001 (up six percentage points from November).

-- 44 percent actually believe that several of the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11 were Iraqis (up significantly from 37% in November).

-- 36 percent believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded (down slightly from 38% in November)."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050218/nyf057_1.html

Half the country is DELUSIONAL. This is SICKENING. These people are BEYOND HOPE.

America is lost.

[Borgnine]

1. As John Lennon once said...

...living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.

[Ralounews]

5. It does help with the conscience when at the gas pump

Most know, deep down, what it's all about and what is going on. But they weren't raised to be fascist warpigs, they were raised to be good little Christian patriots.

Since "Christian" and "Patriot" are mutually exclusive these days, the less imaginative had to come up with a way to be both. So they created their own little fantasy world. And they still live there.

Ignorance is bliss...until it gets you nuked!

[Erika]

2. Bushie has won

Make ignorant Americans fear for their lives based on lies and they will not only sacrifice their freedoms, they will sacrifice their kids.

[punpirate]

3. Well, the only good news in this...

... is that 66 percent thought Iraqis were among the hijackers a year ago....

On edit, now, I think the figure I quoted was for people under 40. Ooops! Maybe it is getting worse....

[devinsgram]

24. Soon they'll say, oops, it wasn't Iraqi's, it was Iranians.

Yeah, it worked once, why not try it again.

[Al-CIAda]

4. The Admin. continues to conflate the two, and the Dems

do not express the distinction. Forget the press, they report, you decide.

[shawn]

9. The Media

It is very clear. The sub-level government controls the media, the media controls the people, and the people are like that old boyfriend/girlfriend you had just to take their money and use them. It's simple really..

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

35. I agree.

This idiotic conflation of Iraqis and the 9/11 hijackers has reached Orwellian proportions. This probably also helps to explain why so many Americans say such bloodthirsty things on talk radio about the Iraqis. It's pathetic, deplorable and utterly inexcusable.

[hlthe2b]

36. More to the point, how many of these 44% know the meaning of "conflation"

The level of ignorance (willful and otherwise) in this country is just simply astounding to me. These people seem to chose ignorance.

[paineinthearse]

6. These 44% have an IQ of 44. nt

[necso]

7. Yeah,

and probably a good third are always going to believe that nonsense... They want to.

But the battle is not yet lost.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

8. I wish 44% of Americans would head over to Iraq right now.

That way, they could find out for themselves.

[Tigress DEM]

41. Good idea.

[Erika]

10. Yes

Iraq never threatened us. Period. But Bush slammed their innocents to death with shock and awe. It will be part of his legacy. Many of us saw the kids with their limbs blown off. That will be his legacy.

[oldfogey]

18. Are you as

angry at those now attacking the Shiites in that country?

[Old and In the Way]

28. Who are "those" that you refer to?

Sunnis? Kurds? AQ? us? Or a combination of the four?

There will never be a stable Iraq as long as there is oil to be pumped from the ground in that country. Or until we rid ourselves of the Big Oil/PNAC club that runs our government today.

[oldfogey]

59. I was merely referring to the insurgents.

I do not know who they were but the ones involved in the bombings of Shiite gatherings and in specific the burial of one already dead following the elections. Does it really matter when what they are doing is essentially a hate crime since it targets one group? They are assholes plain and simple no matter what groups they are affiliated with. Humans committing hate crimes against other humans in an attempt to control and discourage them through use of violence.

[tabasco]

53. Are you afraid anyone condemning the killing 50,000+ civilians

might be an AMERICA-HATER?!?

[oldfogey]

60. Where did this come from?

I was referring to the criminals in Iraq committing hate crimes against Shiite Muslims as they gathered over the last few days. It has nothing to do with those opposing our troops or our government policy, only those who saw fit to blow up civilians because they disagreed with election results.

[Old and In the Way]

61. Yes, but who are the criminals?

That's the problem, we don't know who the 'they' are. There is no free and independent press allowed to report in Iraq. How do you know we aren't behind the bombings?

The last thing this administration wants is a stable, free, and united Iraq. Because then there'd be no justification for the ongoing occupation and control of their oil. We are already seedng the resistance there.

The same people who were destabilizing Central America in the 80s are in charge today.....I doubt that they've changed their stripes.

[Hissyspit]

11. Nominated for Greatest Page w/ a sick feeling in my stomach...

But not too surprised. Look at polls of the number of Americans who believe aliens have visited Earth. Look at polls of the number of Americans who believe in the Devil.

I caused a small controversy when I spoke to one of my college classes about how out of touch Bush voters were. I showed the poll data from the University of Maryland (Delaware?) project which showed just that. Most of my students seemed confused that there were no Iraqis on the 9/11 hijacked flights. There is a law in North Carolina that says that state-funded employes should not try to influence the election several weeks before Election Day. So apparently, I'm not supposed to discuss political issues in a college class. The way I get around this is I ignore it.

[Philosophy]

12. Half of all Americans are stupider than average

So it kinda makes sense.

"I call you my base"

[Chipper Chat]

13. Welcome to FoxNewsWorld.

[Skittles]

14. you can bet every damn one of them voted for that asshole bush

nt

[TaleWgnDg]

15. rightwingnut voting mentality . . .

[amjucsc]

16. Where do they find these people?

[0007]

26. CNN, FAUX & MSNBC can answer that question very easily

[Dcitizen]

17. Future is likely more reasons for War.

Thanks for posting the news.

[ConcernedCanuk]

19. CLARIFICATION - "Only in the USA" do 44% believe this fallacy

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With the Media Spin Machine in the US, whaddya expect?

Of course, INDIVIDUALS DO have the choice not to clik on/watch CNN, Fox and the like, who spend more time "dramatizing/manicuring" their news for media consumption than responsibly reportng NEWS

I'll bet you that NOWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD does such a high percentage believe that propoganda.

Of course, alot of Americans have/want to believe it, cuz they are paying for it big time; in international criticism, dollars, and blood.

So sad.

Murderous carnage continues at the behest of ignorant voters . . .

(sigh)

[Telly Savalas]

27. Is this really the U.S. media's fault though?

Anybody that pays attention to any major U.S. media news outlet (including even FOX News) would know that the three things listed in the bullet points of the original post are false. I'm not saying that the media doesn't have a horrible right-wing bias, nor am I saying that they don't get their facts wrong in their haste to report a juicy looking story. But the case is they haven't persisted in perpetuating the myths listed in the original post.

For instance, in the month or two after the invasion they may have been constantly jumping the gun with reports that WMD had been found, but in the last year and a half any reports on WMD in Iraq have centered around why we never found any. Even if someone watched nothing but FOX, they'd know there were no WMD's in Iraq. The problem in this particular case isn't the folks who follow FOX religiously, but rather people who don't pay attention to the news and get their knowledge of the world from third or fourth hand accounts of what others saw on FOX and CNN.

[Old and In the Way]

29. 44% are kidding themselves.

Because they won't confront the truth of what they really know. This junta LIHOP'd 9/11 and they lied about Iraq's involveent/WMD to jumpstart the PNAC plan. We are now what our parent's generation fought in WW2.

Truth sucks, much better to construct a fantasy world and keep wondering who'll be the next person kicked off "Survivor".

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

37. You might be right

To be fair to the mainstream media in this case, even FOX News as you say, none of them claimed the BS in these cases that people believe, and IIRC at one point FOX, NBC, CBS, ABC, WaPo, and other major news sources had big banner headlines about the lack of WMD's and Iraqi non-involvement in the 9/11 attacks. All also addressed with puzzlement people's conflation of Iraqis and the Sept. 11 attacks. So this isn't the fault of the mainstream media AFAIK-- it's attributable by willful ignorance and bellicosity among a large segment of hawkish people.

[bunkerbuster1]

69. yebbut Fox News headlines EVERY story about Iraq with the words

"War On Terror."

If you see that, and you're not paying attention, why WOUDLN'T you assume that them Eyerackies did the job? Otherwise why would we still be fightin' them?

[Steely_Dan]

71. Yep - I agree

Your point is simple but profoundly true.

[Tigress DEM]

42. New is supposed to report objective facts

Where were the reports that questioned it... if we are talking fair and balanced anyway?

from 9/2002 - 3/2003 documenting lies from every corner and who questioned them?

http://www.counterpunch.org/wmd05292003.html

[Telly Savalas]

49. Which is all fine and good...

but doesn't deny the fact that anyone who's been watching the news on any major channel from 3/2003 to 2/2005 would know that the things listed in the bulletpoints in the original post aren't true.

I'm not arguing that the media is doing a good job. I'm just saying that they are no more responsible for the misperceptions listed in the original post than they are for the fact that a large percentage of the U.S. population can't find Iraq on a map or tell you who their senators are, etc.

[Tigress DEM]

65. But should people HAVE to dig for the truth in America?

The thing about the Bushits is they say one thing and then another until the issue is so confused that a person has to dig back through facts and there is a lot of smoke going on to keep you from finding that.

Paying people to report as truth things that are nothing more than spin is also something we haven't seen this much of in the past, unless you go back to the McCarthy era.

I'm still of the opinion that if the government is pushing propoganda and the media is reporting it as fact and burying real facts like the protest in Belgium on page A-8 and under-reporting the attendance to boot, that is the media playing the game with the power instead of standing up to it.

The journalistic media is supposed to be part of this Country's watchdog community. If they are taking kibbles from the government and letting them run wild on the homestead at night, they are doing much less than a good job, they are abusing their first ammendment rights by lying to us.

Now if it was only opinion shows, that would be one thing, but to report as factual news only what the pRes thinks should play as facts and burying any conflicting information is unfair representation.

[Telly Savalas]

68. But you don't have to be digging for the truth...

to know that the three things in the bullet points of the original post are false. That's my point. Even somebody that only watches FOX News and only watches it for a limited amount of time each day would know these things aren't true. The U.S. media daily commits a multitude of sins, but this isn't one of them. This is purely the result of a large chunk of the U.S. population taking zero effort towards keeping themselves informed about the world.

[leftynyc]

73. If you include right wing radio as media

They regularly spout off these lies as truths.

[B Calm]

20. Its ignorance.. We have people at work, and even when I have

pointed out to them that the hijackers were not from Iraq, still believe they were!

[FlyByNight]

21. Wow

Ignorance is strength, etc., etc.

:eyes:

[B Calm]

22. As far as the idiots I work with, it's wilful ignorance! Even after I

pointed out that the hijackers were not from Iraq, they want to believe they were. If they were anything like me, I would try to find evidence to back my beliefs.

[mommajo65]

23. It's amazing how easily......

people accept any garbage that is spewed from anywhere. Maybe so they don't have to think, they just let others do it for them. So they have time for important things like riding bikes and eating pretzels.

[Zynx]

25. If those numbers were at zero like they should be, Bush would have a 35%

approval rating.

[atre]

48. 49%- 44% = 5% Approvals.

Worst. President. Ever.

[Igel]

30. I think most of the country is delusional.

But it might just be me. ;-)

[katinmn]

31. Thank MSM for keeping the hoax alive!

[Ashamed_American]

32. Umm,

there is a brown man walking his dog in my neighborhood right now. Normally I wouldn't mind, but he has a beard also. Should I call the authorities? (sarcasm off)


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[Muddy Waters Guitar]

34. Prelude to national collapse?

How can a democracy possibly survive when so many of its citizens are utterly confused (or deluded) about such a basic fact, which has been repeated over and over ad nauseum? Democracy in America, RIP-- a republic cannot endure when truth is such a constant casualty of power struggles and griping.

[applegrove]

38. They will have to deal with reality some time. I just hope they learn

something about how vulnerable they are when the truth finally does seep in.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Sadly

I think fifty years from now there will still be people out there who believe Iraq had something to do with 9/11 and they had WMD's. BushCo truly are so dangerous. :scared: I just hate feeling so helpless.

[applegrove]

67. Sixty years later there are still some Germans who cannot believe

what Giant Patsies they were and try and deny the holocaust, etc. It will be the same for some freepers. And the rest of the world will help America hit a soft landing. So these folk may never stand out - there will be too many of them. But such a sad thing when you see some person who's most important moment in life was a series of emotions induced in them (to form a reality) by the sociopaths in power.

Very sad indeed. But real leadership will break on through all the crap and tell these people that it was a 'questionable war'. So that they are semi brought back to reality.

And hopefully there will be legislation put in place so that anyone close to power has to pass a 'means' test on their humanity.

[sampsonblk]

39. I hope this will clue in those who said...

that we shouldn't say the other side is stupid. They are - at least to some frightening degree.

Red state = Haven for Stupidity.

[Tigress DEM]

40. They're just dialing up inbred folks multiple times in a day.

:puke:

[kath]

43. Oy. Stupid, stupid sheeple.

Jeebus.

[ClayZ]

50. Sheeple with buzzard heads, force feed paid political announcements

[DemGirl7]

44. It's sad when half the country are delusional brain washed morons...

It makes me sick enough to vomit, and it does make me rethink the little bit of hope I have left for this country.

[Sparkle]

45. In this case, ignorance IS NOT bliss!

[rodeodance]

46. used to close to 80%--progress is being made

[Dangerman]

47. MORONS!!! ALL OF THEM!!!

:grr:

[LibertyorDeath]

52. To steal a line from Hunter S Thompson

"These flag-sucking half-wits "

He had such a great way with words.

RIP :toast:

[serryjw]

55. Where do you find these fab PICS?

n/t....I borrowed it for the wall in my office

[LibertyorDeath]

56. I'm sure some talented DUer did it I collect all kinds of them

My Wife makes them also. She's great, here's a sample



and some for fun NOT DONE BY my Wife



From his Cheerleader Days


A Night out With Dick


CoNdi is not Amused


Check the top right side of this abomination. What a Waker in Chief.

[serryjw]

57. I steal the good work of many DUers

I'm running out of wall space.I have them all framed. Your clown is my new addition.....good work to you and the Mrs.

[LibertyorDeath]

58. Cheers

and just for that
:)

[serryjw]

66. I ran at of walls

but a good one...I love the famous 'smirk'!

[serryjw]

54. Why are you surproised....

they all look a like

As I have said many times democracy doesn't work if people are not willing to read and believe the lies. The facts are out there for yrs now.....this goes to show you why Bushit won!

[Generator]

62. Yep-fit reality to what you need it to be

I hope some of you get an idea of what Kerry was up against.

American idiot, mindfuck America. Don't want to be controlled by the media...

[librechik]

63. Aha! That explains all the delusional callins on C-Span nt

[Teaser]

64. 44% of people

can't find their ass in the dark.

[zulchzulu]

70. Have you seen what's on TV lately?

Half-wit sitcoms with enforced laugh tracks to clue people when to laugh at the bad jokes, puppy documentaries on PBS, ten flavors of "reality" TV shows to suck time off your life with, sports channels that bring in meaningless opportunities to fill your head with stats and watch overpaid college dropouts run around, news shows sponsored and muzzled by the defense contractor multinational corporations that own them, money-changing Jesus preacher shows spreading hate and whimpering for your money, shopping channels that try to sell you wares you'd never buy and talk shows that feature the seamier, stupid side of America.

Dog food. Rotten worm-filled dog food. For your brain. No wonder people are stupid.

[bunkerbuster1]

72. Did you see the numbers about Iraq having been a "serious threat?" oy.

"Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, was a serious threat to U.S. security."

A year ago, 63% agreed. Now it's all the way down to... 61%.

It's like this country has learned nothing. Nothing at all.

[Stand and Fight]

74. One line in your post...

One line in your post brought tears to my eyes -- America is lost. The rest is indicative of a disease that has taken hold and refuses to let go -- willful ignorance. I love this country, but God dammit you hit the nail on the head. America, the once beautiful and virtuous, is lost.

:cry: