MSNBC Poll - G.W. Bush's Private Conversations: Historical Value Or Gossip

[Mark E. Smith]

Only 26 votes in so far...Go man go!

Yes: 73%
No: 27%

My 2 cents:

These are George W. Bush's own words, and with them he reveals his anxiety over character issues that did come up during his runs for president. And what makes these tapes all the more important is that they show the premeditated deceit that lay behind his many evasions and denials. For once we see Bush as he really is, and that makes the historical importance here immense.

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[Career Prole]

1. I voted "gossip". Why?

Because they want us to think this is news. It's nothing but chaff thrown out to confuse the radar.
If we don't give it a big collective ho-hum while simultaneously making noise about Guckert the media will latch onto this tape thing and Guckert will disappear in the clutter.
The tapes are innocuous and will lead nowhere.
The GOP is worried about Guckert, IMO.

[SharonAnn]

2. Historical. It may help bring down this phony, phony man

[rniel]

3. This was purposely dropped out there by Karl Rove

To silence the other crap going on "gannon etc."

[Mark E. Smith]

4. I'm Not Sure Why These Should Be Considered Mutually Exclusive

I think both these tapes and the "Gannon" situation are insights into the murky world of Shrub's psyche. Rather than canceling each other out, shouldn't we be viewing them as a combination of rather unfortunate events for the Little President?

[robbedvoter]

9. Nice try, Mark. Them tapes surfaced very conveniently and are now

covered INSTEAD of the relevant story.
After all the crimes over the past 5 years, I don't give a damn if W did cocaine.

[Mark E. Smith]

10. Bosh.

One is an old media story, and one is a blog story. That is the real problem a lot of people here have with the New York Times tapes deal.

The issue is Bush's character, and to say that his deceit over his drug use has nothing to do with his "Gannon" shenanigans is silly. These are 2 manifestations of the same dishonesty that is behind everything Bush does. It is up to us to make the connection.

[robbedvoter]

12. 2 manifestations of one problem: media manipulation.

gannon is the discovery, the "tapes" are an example of it. That manufactured reality we are supposed to study. Nice try.

''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And
while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll
act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and
that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you,
all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
Bush aide to Ron Suskind

[Mark E. Smith]

13. Sorry. Just Can't Buy Into Your Conspiracy Theory

[Avalux]

17. conspiracy theory?

Hardly. Media manipulation and lies are reality.

[Mark E. Smith]

19. To Say That The Wead Tapes...

...were released to the NY Times in order to divert attention from the "Gannon" story is a conspiracy theory I just cannot buy into. Sorry. If you can, then go for it. Love to see some cites, though. And if you can come up with some compelling evidence, then I will be the first to congratulate you.

Nor can I understand how the Wead Tapes somehow help George W. Bush. To me they are a candid and unflattering look into the devious and narrow mind of a self-obsessed disingenuous weasel, someone perfectly capable of planting a disreputable individual such as Jeff "Gannon" in the White House press room.

These stories belong together, side by side, so all the world can see the pattern of manipulation and dishonesty that is part and parcel of the Bush Regime.

Media manipulation and lies ARE a reality. But so are overreaction, baseless fear, and paranoia. And in the end the latter will only serve to discredit our attempts to expose the former.

[kentuck]

5. If they had been meant to do harm to GW Bush....

they would have been released before the election. They are innocuous, in my opinion.

[CindyDale]

6. It's all gossip

When are they going to start making a racket about who is profiting from this war and what we can do about it?

[leesa]

7. I like to think of all this stuff as 'evidence' for his upcoming trial.

[robbedvoter]

8. Not even gossip. Propaganda - fabricated BS. Gossip should be revealing.

I voted "gossip" and made the comment in the section for it.
I am so tired of bait and switch!

[Contrary1]

11. Neither. It's shrubco's neverending game of deflection. n/t

[Contrary1]

14. Here's my response to their "poll"

I voted for "just gossip", only because you did not have more choices. How convenient for this to come out right now, while the Gannon/Guckert connection to Valerie Plame, Rathergate, and the White House in general, is being largely ignored by the media.

If it was meant to be either of "historical value" or "just gossip", it would have been out there three months ago.

As usual with this administration...it's all about deflection. And you, as the media assist in that deflection with every opportunity you get.

[shance]

15. How about PR Stunt??

That's more accurate.

[Avalux]

16. These tapes are a Rove maneuver -

meant to deflect attention away from the Guckert/Gannon story. I know they date them in 1998, but I wouldn't be surprised if * recorded them last week. I don't believe ANYTHING anymore.
It's all bullshit.

[Tomee450]

18. Exactly

I haven't gotten excited about Gannongate because I feel it's going nowhere, just like the other scandals. The Republican Party has the MSM in the palm of its hand. The MSM is not going to do anything to hurt Bush. The media welcome these tapes;now the have an excuse to ignore the Gannon scandal. They know these tapes aren't going to hurt Bush in the least.

[Cocoa]

20. this poll is part of the farce

this massive non-story is just a giant farce.

[SpringsCoral]

21. 62%gossip

Total gossip that will be spun to his advantage!!!