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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 03:02 PM
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I'm half-way through "Control Room" and I need a support group
I just don't know how much of this I can take.

There are no words for how evil BushCo is. The vile, sickening, putrid actions of this administration are straight from the bowels of hell.

When we began bombing--and you could hear the horrid, deafening explosions--and see the innocents we killed--it just made me sick. Those poor children. I thought...how would I feel if some country did this to us? I'd be so terrified; and I was so terrified for the Iraqis.

Then lying Rumsfeld interjects with a quote about Al Jazeera's lies and how they have no credibility, and how they'll lie over and over to manipulate the world, blah, blah, blah.

I'm just so revolted. I'm embarrassed to be an American.

I don't know how much more I can take.

I identify more with the Iraqi people and the reporters at Al Jazeera than I do with American leaders and reporters in America.

I guess that makes me an enemy combatant. Or a terrorist.

Does anyone know of a good support group? Americans Anonymous?

"Hello, my name is Twosparkles and I am a recovering American."

I feel awful.

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 03:05 PM
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1. ouch--it's hard to see any truth in GOP criticism of al Jazeera after that
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 03:07 PM
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2. Forget the support group.
Just hop in your Ford Excursion and head down to Wal-mart to buy more trinkets.

I'm George Bush and I approved this message. </sarcasm>

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 06:20 PM
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16. That actually made me LOL. Thanks! (nt)
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 03:23 PM
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3. It also got me how the CNN reporter
seemed to be more or less doing his job - it must have been for CNNi (International) - since the CNN for the US doesn't.


Just like the Time magazine for the US has B**h :puke: as person of the year - while Time's Canada's version has the Canadian man that the US sent to Syria to torture for a year for no reason.


Sorry - I can't help you feel better. :(
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 03:27 PM
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4. And wasn't it up for sale? Because of too much US pressure?
I haven't seen anything on that lately.

That they would allow US pressure to get to them astounded me.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 03:58 PM
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7. Is it satire that FOX bought out Al Jazeera.
Edited on Mon Feb-21-05 04:19 PM by madfloridian
Thought I heard that recently. Now that is a scary thought.

Here is something that says it is satire.
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/02/03/fox_news_buys_aljazeera.php

I saw a news site from overseas on this, wonder if they got fooled. Or is it real? Very little on search.
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 04:44 PM
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9. I've wondered about that recently
I haven't read anything about Al Jezzera's ownership...but I do recall a news report about 8-10 years ago...I believe it was on 60 Minutes...about how it was started up by the leftover equipment from American Media covering the '91 Gulf War...It's a lil' hazy in my memory but it does make me wonder if the connections are still in place...I'll read yer link now...maybe there's something in it?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 03:41 PM
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5. I haven't read it and I still need a support group
I've felt like this for a year.

I was REALLY counting on getting rid of Bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and the whole gang on Nov. 2.

I cried all though the Chrsitmas holiday because of what we are doing to the men, women and children of Iraq.

DU is my support group and I'm fortunate that we have a vey tight group of Minnesota DUers that get together in person every couple of months. I've joined a DFA group. I belong to two election reform activist groups. I'm looking forward to joining local protests Feb. 28 and March 19. We're all suffering together.

It helps when you know you're not alone.

It seems like so much of the country is going along with their heads in the sand.



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DARE to HOPE Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 03:57 PM
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6. Oh, child, there are so many out here who feel the SAME WAY...
I was an absolute mess when the war opened. And just this last November, when we were all busy with the election fallout, they went with their special weapons into Fallujah ....


It is HORRID. It is WICKED. It is FASCIST.

It is all predicated on LIES and GREED and MURDER. Human life means nothing to this crew! Only MONEY and POWER.

They will pay for their sins, I do believe.

I have been praying since that we citizens may be spared from His wrath, for it will certainly be fierce.


We ARE tied to the people on the rest of the planet. Dr. Dean's argument in his debate with "Prince of Darkness" Richard Perle on C-Span this weekend addressed that very fact. He hied back to JFK's creation of the Peace Corps to balance our military, to act in its place to get along with the world. I mean, we all had better act together soon for the environmental needs of the planet, or we will ALL be history!


How to ever repay the people of Iraq and the Middle East for this abomination, though. I did read of a group of family members from California whose soldier sons and daughters had been killed in Fallujah, who went over in repentance with medical care for any Iraqi civilians who managed to survive what we did there. Our own soldiers will come home with poisoned bodies as a result. It is going to cost us financially, and morally, for a long time to come.

We are all a part of the human condition. There is sin in the world, and it is great. But each decision each of us makes, for good or for evil, IS cumulative, and WILL make a difference! Millions of the world's people marched against this illegal, immoral war, including millions of Americans! (Yes, it was darned invisible, due to our own faux media.) But we are all still here, still angry, still opposed! And so many more have joined us since--look how the numbers against the war have gone from 3% to 56%!

Every little act. Every person you convert. Every Congressmember who hears from enough of us. And demonstrations are necessary again, before we move into Iran and Syria any further!

And prayer. God sees the evil, and He will act, even if only through "banana peels" for the moment (like the Gannon scandal.)

Our church has a Peace Corps kid in Romania, and he went from being a solid supply-sider to being an activist against Bush--solely due to the information changing once he got overseas. This gives us hope for spreading the word in our own country.


Finally, Twosparkles (love the name!)--

I feel your devastation about where has our country gone.... The way I made sense of it finally was this: there have always been evil men, throughout human history. And our nation has been the biggest plum in the world for the riches it would bring in conquering it. So it is not really surprising that an Evil Cabal, multinational in nature, really, would plot to overthrow us, financially, politically, socially--so that they could rule the world. We are blessed in this country that we still have enough Constitutional rules left to thwart them, enough intelligence and faith left to counter them, and enough rebelliousness and determination to oppose them!

God be with you in your pain.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 04:03 PM
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8. Nice post, Dare
just like a virtual hug. :hug: :)
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 05:12 PM
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11. The members of AARP are with us. They are on to Bush.
Check out the discussion. It's not just about SS. It's about the war, the corporate takeover, the economy. Some of them sound like DUers.
forumhttp://community.aarp.org/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=rp-legislative&msg=18237.1&ctx=1
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 06:27 PM
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17. Thanks for that...
You hit the nail on the head...I bet God is angry about all of this. It's totally pure evil.

How sick and wrong that those who look down on liberals for their lack of "religion" are the ones propping up the evil murdering liars. They are electing leaders who are murdering innocent women and children.

I liked your "banana peel" comment. I think you're right. Love and goodness are very powerful--and hold together pretty well. However, evil is like an out-of-control squid with many tentacles. That's why evil people are often caught. Evil is reckless and chaotic. That's why *'s house of cards is slowly being revealed. That's why they need to propagandize, control and manipulate--because there is nothing real, truthful or good in their intentions or policies.

I appreciate your kind words, very much. :)
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 04:46 PM
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10. Wow, "Americans Anonymous".
That's just what we need! Maybe we can come up with a 12-step program to get rid of *.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 05:33 PM
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12. cruise sorryeverybody.com gallery
It really helped me feel better. http://www.sorryeverybody.com

Also, march on the 19th. Make a sign and bring a picnic. It's life-affirming to be around people who think like you do and, at least in SF, it's been a street party.

:tinfoilhat:
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 05:42 PM
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13. Wait till you get to the part where they bomb an Al Jazeera crew
in order to censor/punish them.

You're right. Bushco is made up of nothing but pure evil.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 06:16 PM
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14. Here's one of the major scenes that really got to me (Rumsfeld)
The Al Jazeera reporters were discussing the war footage that they were showing, of civilian casualties that incurred during the Baghdad bombings. They discussed that showing casualties was necessary to report the "human cost of war."

The pictures were horrific. Many were of severely injured children, truckloads of dead bodies being hauled away, other massive injuries and casualties. A woman pointed to her demolished house and invited * to look at what he had done. She was crying and screaming about a child who was left sobbing for her mother and father who had both been killed. Lots of traumatized, severely injured children were shown.

Then, we cut to Rumsfeld, who said this:

We know that Al Jazeera has a pattern of playing propaganda over and over and over again. What they do is when a bomb goes down, they grab some children and some women and pretend that the bomb hit the women and the children and it seems to me that it's up to us to try to tell the truth, to say what we know, to say what we don't know, and recognize that we're dealing with people that are perfectly willing to lie to the world to attempt to further their cause--and to the extent people lie--ultimately they are caught lying and they lose their credibility, and one would think it wouldn't take very long for that to happen, dealing with people like this."

Then, they cut to a scene of an Iraqi child with bandages covering 75 percent of her face, with the remaining exposed portion of her face covered with deep bloody lacerations.

:(
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 06:19 PM
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15. I just saw that portion...
I finished watching it this afternoon and I was sickened by what happened to that Al Jazeera reporter. Clearly, they were targeted.

What struck me--was how this story played in America. I remember thinking, "There is no way we would target journalists. Those people just want to spread disinformation about us."

I was duped.
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