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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 09:50 PM
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Poll question: Political self-identification
I'm just curious how we DUers perceive ourselves.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 09:52 PM
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1. so left, im sometimes right
Edited on Mon Feb-21-05 09:54 PM by MadAsHellNewYorker
seriously...i find myself very libertarian on a lot of issues. i jokingly call myself a liberal-tarian
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 09:54 PM
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2. Yes, I'm some times that way, too.
:)
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 10:51 PM
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9. You might be an anarchist
Also known as libertarian socialist. It's not just for wild-eyed bomb throwers anymore. :P
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:32 PM
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14. ooo...i have to go look into this now
does this mean I have to sign up to go protest the G8 now? :silly:

seriously though, recommend any good reading material/sites?
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:34 PM
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15. From The Jungle:
Anarchy of the mind (of ideas, expression, etc), communism of the body.

not for me though...
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 09:51 AM
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31. heres a good link from Selatius below
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 10:59 PM
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11. How funny! That's so me.
My favorite definition of right vs. left is this one: Conservatives believe that people should be regulated while corporations should be free and liberals believe the opposite.

So I guess I have libertarian views, at least where individuals are concerned.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:28 PM
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13. hot damn! I couldn't have put it better!
I hope you wont mind if I use that definition, its too good to pass up.

I think we should all be able to live life as we want, with the freedom we are imbued with by being Americans. Government's job should not be to regulate man.

I don't agree with the Libertarian view on economics, I think government should be responsible for jobs, heath care, and education. But on social policy, Barry Goldwater kinda makes sense. Its a weird world when that happens...
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:57 AM
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25. That's a perfect description
of liberalism and conservatism. I love that!
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 07:06 AM
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27. I am a left-libertarian
And I end up over by gandhi on those political XY scoring tests.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 09:17 AM
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30. That was my first rating ever on one of those quizes!
:yourock:
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 09:54 PM
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3. I'm so far to the left ...
I'm driving on the other side of the road! Better move to England!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 12:33 AM
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22. I'm pretty left
on a lot of issues. I'm very anti-war, I'm your average hippie. Peace, love, happiness very pro-enviornment, helping out the poor, etc. All the basic liberal stuff. And I'm very proud of it.
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Sympleesmshn Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 09:56 PM
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4. I took an Ideals quiz...
I sit with Gandhi and MLK in the moderate left... I am looking for a link for that quiz...
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 09:57 PM
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5. Plz post the link if you get it
Thx
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 10:19 PM
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8. Here's the link
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Sympleesmshn Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 06:47 AM
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26. Thats the one I took, thanks
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 10:06 PM
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6. If 'Center' is actually a not very moderate postion, relatively speaking..
then 'Left of Center' could actually be more moderate, in a sense, and that is part of the problem with pure dichotomies. They are usually too simplistic an analysis.

Secular Humanist.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 08:50 AM
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28. I'll always consider myself proudly Centrist.
But to be proud about it, these days, is to be identified as an America-hating lefty wackjob.

My political philosophy hasn't changed; the opposition's tactics have.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 10:06 PM
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7. Overall just left of center
with center being what it was in the 90's. Not anything in the last 4 years.

Socially quite liberal, but moderate to slightly conservative on economic issues (that depends on the issue, mostly responsible, controlled spending).
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 10:54 PM
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10. Look left of your monitor......
Yep....that's me!



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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:25 PM
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12. Revolutionary Socialist
Edited on Mon Feb-21-05 11:25 PM by durutti
Of the Marx-Engels-Luxemborg-Trotsky-Gramsci-Shactman-James-Dunayevskaya-Fromm-Marcuse-Cliff school.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:35 PM
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16. Left
I'm a labor Democrat.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:40 PM
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17. There's no OTHER or BOTH!
I'm left as hell on social issues-take care of kids, the poor, the elderly, health care for all, good schools for all (not tied to town property taxes), affordable college, social security, that kind of stuff.

I think pigs should be taxed to the max. Drive a big gas guzzler, pay a huge excise tax--and no tax deductions or loopholes for that shit, either. No "company car" exemptions--if the company gives you the car, either they or you pay the tax. No tax breaks on HUMMERS, EVER.

I'm not an isolationist, but I believe in REAL advise and consent, with real debate, not bullshit rubberstamping. I think it is a good thing to not overspend, I like balanced budgets, though I can understand a little debt in the proper context--not the runaway foolishness we see now. I hate when the military is used for political purposes, as opposed to national defense.

I like smaller government, REAL smaller government, not the Reagan-Bush bullshit where they CLAIM they want smaller government and then add a shitload of agencies and employees...the Clinton/Gore smaller government, the REAL deal, done quietly, efficiently, through reassignment and natural attrition.

If you are going to give people or towns/counties/states tax breaks, give it to them for things like reducing pollution, recycling, and all that happy, important, ignored crap that makes for a sustainable environment. As for businesses and corporations, nail the ones that are offshore to the cross--no breaks for you, in fact, you get surcharged. I could go on..!
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:52 PM
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18. Homey don't go in for no labels.


I am that I am
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 12:01 AM
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19. I'm a libertarian socialist (not the big "L" as in Libertarian Party)
Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 12:29 AM by Selatius
Any solution should be directly in the hands of the people working together in a democratic fashion, and there's got to be structural reforms to ensure that power does not become dangerously centralized as it has become into the hands of an elite few. Centralized power corrupts the mind and becomes a tool of exploitation.

Libertarian socialism.
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MadAsHellNewYorker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 09:52 AM
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32. Thanks for the link Selatius
This seems to be what I am to a "T" and never really knew it!
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independentchristian Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 12:30 AM
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20. Undefinable
Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 12:32 AM by independentchristian
I'm a person and I have many sides and many opinions
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ProgressiveConn Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 12:31 AM
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21. In the context of the modern welfare state...
I'm socially liberal.
I'm economically moderate.
I'm a dove not a hawk.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 12:59 AM
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23. I might be of the "I'm so left, I'm right" persuasion
I'm kind of a minarcho-syndicalist libertarian communalist federalist individualist.

In short:

I love guns.
I hate bureaucracy.
I hate the national-brand consciousness.
I hate centralized power.
I love the informed consumer.
I love minimalism.
I love the discriminating laborer.
I love the personally responsible employer, CEO and owner.
I love Thomas Jefferson, Noam Chomsky and Ludwig von Mises.
I love the commune, the union, the co-operative.
I love the individual, the company and the corporation.
I am adamantly for the 10th amendment.
I HATE, I MEAN HATE classical ideas of order, patriarchy, the superiority of Western Civ, and I hate religion, superstition and mysticism.

I NEVER vote Republican, and always vote Democratic -- but I would switch to a viable libertarian party that brought together both left-leaning and right-leaning libertarians -- REAL LIBERTARIANS -- not the current crop of disillusioned Republicans attempting to pass of their stateless fascism, patriarchal dominance and classical order as libertarianism.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 01:08 AM
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24. Left of center
I'm far left on social issues, center-left on economic issues, and center-right on foreign policy issues.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 09:08 AM
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29. I'm a populist leftie.
Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 09:55 AM by Padraig18
I'm very much a populist in the classical, 'prairie state' mold.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 12:57 PM
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33. I'm a solid left liberal because I want to live in a world
Where the greedy and narcissistic do not control everything.
Where schools teach tolerance, and Evolution.
Where a quarter of the nation's children do not live at or near poverty level.
Where trumped-up wars cannot be "sold" to a terrified populace.
Where the media is not controlled by the government and business.
Where elections cannot be stolen.
Where corruption and fraud are not just a part of "doing business."
Where everyone has health insurance and retirement benefits.
Where laborers and skilled workers are valued and respected.
Where scientists and academics are valued and respected.
Where artists and musicians are valued and respected.
Where small business owners are valued and respected.
Where housing is affordable.
Where the "left" and the "right" are not polarized to a ridiculous extreme.
Where weapons are controlled just like anything else that is physically destructive.
Where politicians realize that a degraded natural environment is just stupid.
Where laws actually work for the people, not just for the rich corporations.

etc. etc. -- we could all add to the list--

These things don't happen naturally. The government has to make them happen. I don't see that Republicans really support these goals. They believe that they are entitled to as much as they can get. Republicans have never understood the idea that if you do not invest in everyone in the community, you will not have a strong society. A country that promotes internal divisions and lets social problems fester is a weak country. I want to live in a country that WORKS.
A country that is leading the world in innovation and problem-solving, not leading in corruption, consumerism, pollution, crime, and creating "wars" in foreign countries.
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