More common sense from Pat Buchanan

[quaoar]

Perhaps we should make him an honorary Democrat.

Nah.

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_02_28/buchanan.html

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In his inaugural address, Mr. Bush calls 9/11 the day “when freedom came under attack.” This is sophomoric. Osama did not send fanatics to ram planes into the World Trade Center because he hates the Bill of Rights. He sent the terrorists here because he hates our presence and policies in the Middle East. He did it for the same reason FLN rebels blew up cafes in Paris and Hamas suicide bombers blow up pizza parlors in Jerusalem.

From the Battle of Algiers to the bombing of the Beirut Marine barracks, from the expulsion of the Red Army by the mujahideen of Afghanistan to the expulsion of Israel from Lebanon by Hezbollah, guerrilla war and terror tactics have been the means Muslims have used to expel armies they could not defeat in conventional war.

The 9/11 killers were over here because we are over there. We were not attacked because of who we are but because of what we do. It is not our principles they hate. It is our policies. U.S. intervention in the Middle East was the cause of the 9/11 terror. Bush believes it is the cure. Has he learned nothing from Iraq?

In 2003, we invaded a nation that had not attacked us, did not threaten us, and did not want war with us to disarm it of weapons it did not have. Now, after plunging $200 billion and the lives of 1,400 of our best and bravest into this war and killing tens of thousands of Iraqis, we have reaped a harvest of hatred in the Arab world and, according to officials in our own government, have created a new nesting place and training ground for terrorists to replace the one we lately eradicated in Afghanistan.
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[murray hill farm]

1. sounds a lot like...

Churchill...same perspective.

[corbett]

2. Too Bad He Thinks No Democrats Are As Smart As He!

[zbdent]

8. We just don't want to lose the IQ points to get to

his level . . .

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Surprise surprise

I'm not too surprised with Bucanhan on Iraq. He's not a sheeple and he has been outspoken against the war. If only he got get some of his sheeple in and realize what's going on in their country and what Bush is doing and he's no godly person. I think if Buchanan will support the democrats he could change things. But he seems stubborn and willing to stay on the republican party.

[atommom]

3. common sense ... Pat Buchanan ... does not compute!

He's still not a Dem by any means, but I'm still happy to see him breaking away from the neocons.

[Shopaholic]

4. You know exactly how fucked this country is

when Pat Buchanan starts making sense.

[YDogg]

5. But ...

... is anyone listening?

[FreedomAngel82]

26. Probably not

They'll make some excuse up. "Oh the democrats brainwashed him!" Or some nonsense like that. :eyes:

[ginnyinWI]

12. exactly!

The day we actually like a Buchanan statement---who would have ever dreamed? He's a conservative, but he also lives in the reality-based community, and there's the difference. I'd trade Bush for him, if it were between just the two of them.

[ragin_acadian]

20. damn straight! this buchanan situation is weirding me out too

five years ago i would have spit on him, now i make it a point to read what he says. have we shifted right? i don't feel like i have.

[FreedomAngel82]

27. I don't think we have

We're still the same I think. It's just Buchanan is making sense and he's realizing what's going on in his party. He's trying to be the lone ranger and change his party I think. We may not agree on other issues but this we're together on. Maybe democrats and Buchanan can work together to stop the madness that is Bush and the Christian right.

[ET Awful]

6. You know * has really screwed up the planet when you find yourself

agreeing with Buchanan.

[khashka]

7. I can't stand that man

but he often does make sense. I find many of his beliefs appalling but he isn't stupid by any means.

I just hope the repiglicans are listening.....

Khash.

[kentuck]

9. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.....

But you don't want to depend on it to get you up in the morning...

[Padraig18]

10. Pat Buchannan is highly intelligent.

Pat is a paleo-con, and from time to time, our interests may intersect. We can (and should) join forces with them on a case-by-case basis, uniting against our common enemy--- the neocons.

[ginnyinWI]

14. paleo-con?

did you make that up or is it a real term? I'd never heard that one before. You mean like an earlier version of conservative? That would fit--like Nixon perhaps. :shrug:

[Padraig18]

15. No, I didn't invent the term.

He's more of a classical conservative and isolationist.

[no name no slogan]

21. He's very much the pre-WWII Republican

Very isolationist as far as foreign policy, and also fairly laissez-faire when it comes to economics. Mix in a little xenophobia (anti-immigration), and you've got Buchanan.

Before WWII, the Republican Party tended to be fairly "hands-off" with regards to the rest of the world. They believed that the US should just stay out of the worlds' affairs. Most of them were opposed to US involvement in WWI and many were also opposed to US involvement in WWII at first, as well.

"Peleo-Con" is a very appropriate term, IMHO.

[quaoar]

25. Yes. Republicans used to hate foreign involvement

Buchanan says this near the end of his column:

America “goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy,” said John Quincy Adams, “She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.” Under the tutelage of Jacobins who call themselves idealists, Bush has repudiated this wise core doctrine of U.S. foreign policy to embrace Wilsonian interventionism in the internal affairs of every autocratic regime on earth.

[mandyky]

17. We need to borrow the symbol of the pitchfork brigade!

When Pat makes sense, he's great! But when he steps in it, he is equally great (up to his hips)!! LOL

[FreedomAngel82]

28. I think it would be a good idea

If we can show people our policies with war and whatnot maybe they'll listen more and listen to our other policies and issues. Does anybody think Dean and the democratic leaders would work with Buchanan on this? Maybe he knows of some other republican leaders who are fed up too and want to change things.

[quaoar]

36. Don't hold your breath

There are plenty of Republicans who are absolutely appalled at what Bush has done and is doing and who are terrified of the growing influence of the religious right. But when push comes to shove, they vote with Bush.

Imagine that Joe Lieberman is president and is vigorously prosecuting the war in Iraq. We might all be furious with him, but we damn sure aren't going to become Republicans over it.

[solinvictus]

11. Buchanan is a true patriot..

meaning he wants what is best for our country politically and economically. He may be too socially conservative for many of us here, but he hates the Bushistas with a passion.

[FreedomAngel82]

29. I thnk that's pretty clear

Only thing I didn't like was he still promoted Bush. :shrug: But I guess he thought not enough people on his side would vote for Kerry because they weren't too clear on the message. I think that's one thing I like about Dean being chairman is he can help get our message out there from now till 2006 and 2008 and then he can help the 2008 canidate on making a more clear message.

[themaguffin]

13. He's not a Democrat

He is an old fashioned Rep. He also the isolationist kind. No NAFTA, no intervention. No nothin' At least he is honest about that and can argue his point of view better than the neocons, but by no stretch is he a Democrat. He still supported Shrub last year.

And who can forget his lovey dovey fell good 92 Convention speech?

[kentuck]

16. If Pat Buchanan won the Democratic nomination....?

for President, would you vote for him?

[FreedomAngel82]

30. I don't think that's possible

I doubt Buchanan would come to "the dark side" so to speak. As mentioned in an earlier post he seems to be trying to slowly change his party back to the old way before the neocons.

[Maraya1969]

18. I had to click on the link to make sure it was Buchanan

I do agree he makes some really good points on MSNBC but he is still a conservative patsy. I was stunned when he tried to defend Gannon being in White House Press meetings.

He should pick a side and stay with it.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. I saw him do that on "Hardball"

and Matthews was like "I think this is a losing battle for you Pat" or something like that. :shrug: He should've just come out and asked the question's raised about security. Who cares about his whoring. I wanna know how he got all the information about other things nobody else in the press new and things like that. What does that say about security in the House to the public?

[LittleClarkie]

19. Oh, yes, I was quite impressed until he voted for Bush

because of the Supreme Court nominations.

How can you know all this about Bush and his policies, and still vote for the shmuck.

He's rather like Nader, and some on the left, who want immediate withdrawl. Since Kerry wasn't calling for immediate withdrawl either, he didn't see much difference. From my point of view, he missed the sanity on the one side vs the insanity on the other. Kerry's stance was more like the Powell Doctrine. I find both Kerry and Powell infinitely more sane, not to mention smarter, than Bush.

Not sure what to think of Pat. He freaks me out when he says something that sounds relatively sane like this.

He also stood up for the Smear vets, so I think he had residual hateration going from the Nixon years. Plus he practically took a bullet, someone said, for Gannon.

There's something not quite right there.

I'm wondering if the political spectrum is indeed a circle, and the far left and the far right in this case met on the other side.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. Sometimes he does confuse me

on things like that. He KNOWS the SBV people are liars and of course since he was a Nixon person he has to keep up with it or something. :shrug: The Gannon thing was just silly and nonsense, and I think, it made him look foolish sticking up for that.

[DemoTex]

22. "The 9/11 killers were over here because we are over there."

Sing it Brother Buchanan! Your stripes notwithstanding this is music to my ears.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. And as long as we're there

they'll become more angry. This is what worries me. Especially since our boarders are still so unsafe. :scared: And knowing how this administration works.... :scared: Has he said anything about the 52 warnings and the 9/11 info and all the Bush lies with that?

[DemoTex]

37. "Has he said anything about the 52 warnings and the 9/11 info ..?"

No he has not (to my knowledge), nor will he. But maybe he has said enough to get some moderate Repubs re-thinking this Bu$h-bit. However, I'm not hanging my hat on it because I know that for every step Pat Buchanan takes forward, he will take three backward.

[THUNDER HANDS]

23. Buchanan's views give an insight into what Nixon would have thought

about today's climate.

Tricky Dick would not be pleased.

Nixon was a flaming liberal compared to the crew in the White House now.

[nickinSTL]

31. Pat Buchanan...not my favorite guy...

but, he is a true conservative...

Which I have discovered is a heck of a lot better than a neocon.

[Rambis]

33. Wait for it....

He will pull a "Keysian" phrase or quote outta his arse soon enough to remind all of us he really is a looney.