do I laugh and say "I told you so" to the crying repukes in my state?

[NVMojo]

They are all wailing and gnashing their little teeth over Bush proposed budget cuts, the repukes locally in my county bragged about helping Bush win the election in Nevada by 21,000 votes and now they wail ...that idiot below, Ellison, rode in Cheney's limo when the repukes brought him to town to campaign last summer ...who lied to him?? Cheney??

Bush plan would impact county budget

Feb. 19, 2005


ELKO - Elko County would take about a $217,000 hit from the federal government's Payment in Lieu of Taxes program under a 12 percent cutback contained in President George W. Bush's proposed budget.

The National Association of Counties reported Thursday that the Bush budget was calling for a reduction of $28 million in PILT payments to counties.

Elko County Commission Chairman Charlie Myers said that would have an impact on Elko County.

He said it would be a painful pinch for the county budget.

"It is absolutely not good news," Myers said. "They are pulling money from our budgets."

PILT is a program that was enacted in 1976 to partially compensate county governments with large amounts of non-taxable lands within their borders.

Elko County Chief Financial Officer Cash Minor said if the cutback is across the board it will reduce the PILT payment for Elko County from about $1.8 million to about $1.58 million.

Elko County Commissioner John Ellison, the vice president of the Nevada Association of Counties, said it was very upsetting news.

"We are not getting half of what the citizens should get, let alone it being reduced," he said.

Ellison pointed out that the county only received PILT funds for U.S. Bureau of Land Management land and not land under the U.S. Forest Service.

Ellison also said he believed he was misled by federal officials.

http://www.elkodaily.com/articles/2005/02/19/news/local/news1.txt

Here's another good whining story about Nevada losing money to Bush's axe ...all I can say today is WAH!!!!

Nevada projected to lose $432 million in federal budget cuts

Feb. 22, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Nevada by 2010 could lose an estimated $432 million in federal budget cuts to education, human services, environmental and community development programs, according to a new analysis.

The study released today by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities examined how states would fare under the proposed federal budget for fiscal year 2006 that President Bush sent to Congress Feb. 7.

The liberal nonprofit research group estimated Bush budget cuts through 2010, projecting that cuts to domestic discretionary programs could total $214 billion nationally. The cuts are the deepest proposed by a president in recent memory, center executive director Bob Greenstein said today.

snip...

According to the center, the Bush proposals also include:


$22 million in cuts for Nevada housing agencies, including about $16.2 million less in Clark County

$12.6 million in cuts for abused and neglected children and Head Start pre-school programs in Nevada.

$3.7 million in cuts for HIV/AIDS program money in Nevada.

$3.7 million in cuts for the Women, Infants and Children, or WIC, nutrition program in Nevada, which could affect roughly 3,800 fewer low-income families.

snip....

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-gov/2005/feb/22/518332107.html

[FreedomAngel82]

1. If Bush keeps up with everything

he's definietly going to lose more people. People are realizing they've been duped.

[ohkay]

22. and that will hurt him...how?

If he "loses more people"? He can't run a THIRD time..

[Skidmore]

23. It can hurt the policies he's trying to push now by forcing him

to expend all of his "political capital" much faster than he intended. And it can also affect how congress works by applying significant pressure to some of these wild-eyed RW ideologues who are power drunk right now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Told you so is quite apropriate

and remind them, YOU VOTED FOR THIS... we warned you, did not believe it... you voted for it

[dandrhesse]

3. whatever you do, please don't say "I told you so" don't stoop to that leve

We always claim to take the higher road, so take it and if asked say that you are sorry it had to come to this before everyone realized what Bush was up to. It is truthful and not mean.

[NVMojo]

5. I know you are right, dandrhesse, but boy is it tempting as I get to

watch them wail up close, the same people who laughed at me for supporting Kerry in gold country ...

[Contrary1]

Tell them to write their Senators. n/t

[BobF]

10. You don't have to say 'I told you so'...

...simply tell them:

"Steve Forbes REALLY needed those dollars for to pay for his tax cut."

Then let THEM argue against tax cuts for the rich.

Start nodding as if you're suddenly 'getting it', and whatever you do, don't laugh. It spoils the rich, ironic effect.

[calimary]

12. This is actually good, too. Humor always has a nice effect.

[calimary]

14. The point is not to get confrontational and make them the villain here.

Because if you say "I told you so," MUCH AS IT'S TRUE AND LEGITIMATE AND WELL-DESERVED, it'll only alienate them. They're already hurting. If you pile on, they'll turn their anger towards YOU. And you want to encourage them to turn their anger towards where it SHOULD be aimed: the republi-CONS (and bush, too, certainly). But I'd even avoid targetting bush too much by name. Some of these people embrace him because, inexplicably, they LIKE him and think he's their type of guy - you know - the common touch, the guy-I'd-like-to-go-have-a-beer-with crap. You do that, you'll just alienate them and push them back into his arms again. And they'll do it just to spite you. Yep, some people are just like that. It doesn't take much, as we've seen, to motivate people to vote against their own interests.

Less is WAY more. Poison the well.

[louis-t]

4. Gotta be Clinton's fault.

(smirk)edit: stand by for another terra alert.

[NVMojo]

6. I actually saw a bumper sticker this morning that said today's budget

deficit is a Clinton legacy or something like that. I almost went off the road!!!

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Oh good grief

Rewriting history again....

:wtf: :argh:

[RubyDuby in GA]

7. Get some really nice paper and send him a very professional letter

that says "You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. You and your kind brought this upon our state, so live with it and like it. Very respectfully yours, NVMojo"

[NVMojo]

18. excellent!!!

[TexasSissy]

8. Repukes don't care about these kinds of programs, do they?

At least that's the impression I get. They'll be happy to see the $$$ cut for "socialist" programs. As long as the cut is earmarked for those, and it affects primarily low income families. They'll be ecstatic, as long as they retain their federal tax cuts.

[blm]

9. And HOW much money did it cost the county when Cheney swung through there?

Just keep adding it up folks. You'll soon realize BushInc plans to bankrupt as many American counties as possible so they can kill ALL programs.

They even want to take out the military so it can be PRIVATIZED. It's already partway there. All loyalty to the corporations and NONE to the citizens, although we'll be the ones paying "market prices" for protection.

[NVMojo]

19. I did a foia on this and it was over $30,000. for a 2 hr. deal or less ...

between the city, county and school district. Plus add in the misery the repukes caused as they didn't let certain people in to listen to Cheney due to incomplete background checks and a list of who couldn't get in even though their tax dollars paid for the cheney sploogefest and not the local repuke party.


Funny thing was that Cheney announced when he was here that Kerry was bad for Nevada and its mining industry as he wanted to raise the mining fees on public lands for the foreign corporations taking billions off public lands out of the country. It caused a firestorm against Kerry statewide. Now, Chimp wants to cut their PILT funds and take the sales money from Nevada for the sale of public lands. I find this whole thing hysterical but I will behave.

[blm]

20. Sounds like a Letter to the Editor ready made....go for it.

.

[calimary]

11. I'd recommend the gentle touch. Less is more.

YES I know you want to gloat. YES I know the "I Told You So's" and "Don't Say We Didn't Warn You's" are screaming to rocket straight off your tongue. But don't. NOW is when you pull your punches JUST a tad.

It's far more effective, I think, maybe around the water-cooler or over the back fence or in line at the grocery store check-out to try the subtle approach:

Either you strike up, or join, a conversation in which somebody's complaining about this or wringing their hands or expressing disgust for having voted for these people. And you turn to them, make eye contact (so it's an all-important one-on-one personal-touch encounter - these are PROVEN to be THE MOST EFFECTIVE), and then either sigh, or hang your head a little, or shake your head in dismay (or maybe a combination of at least two, or all three), and say - "I guess that's what you get when you vote Republican..." OR: "yeah, I trusted them, too. And they stabbed me in the back." And - "I'll never make THAT mistake again..."

Or some such.

It's FAR MORE EFFECTIVE as a stealth-operative. If it sounds as though you, too, are a Republican, or conservative, or that you voted for bush/republi-CONS, and YOU. HAVE. NOW. BEEN. BETRAYED.

Don't go much farther than that. You don't HAVE TO offer details. They don't have to KNOW details. Besides, this keeps you honest, for anyone who might feel squeamish about the portrayal here - it's also called ACTING!

The objective: PLANT A SEED. POISON THE WELL. You want to plant a seed that takes root in the back of their minds, and yields a sense of betrayal against bush/republi-CONS. If they feel that way, they're FAR LESS INCLINED to vote republi-CON again, because the sense of betrayal of trust will have been planted within them, and will have taken root. It will eventually subvert everything else they've previously felt that's positive about the republi-CONS. They're TRAITORS (not to the country, not against Valerie Plame, not against the Constitution or our civil liberties) - TRAITORS to US individually. Promise-breakers. They've broken their word. They've betrayed our trust. They've stabbed us in the back.

You foster THAT kind of impression in people and they will be FAR LESS inclined to vote republi-CON. You will POISON THE WELL. And if the well is poisoned sufficiently, the inclination NOT to vote republi-CON will last a LONG TIME.

Remember this: bush will be gone, in four years (OR hopefully less). But the vermin who follow him and hope to build upon what he's done, will still be around and hoping to exploit his "success." It's THEM we have to deal with effectively.

But leave bush out of it. It's the republi-CONS in general whom we need to target. Leave bush out of it. Leave Clinton out of it, too. None of the extra stuff. NO DETAILS. NO NAMES. NO PARTISAN POT-SHOTS. Just the broad brushstroke. The overriding impression. You're an innocent victim of these horrendously despicable policies - just like the person is to whom you're briefly speaking. And that is certainly NO lie or exaggeration or misrepresentation. THAT. IS. THE. TRUTH.

[Salviati]

13. You definitely need to serve them some comeuppance...

Don't be too harsh though, and make sure to tie it to all republicans, not just bush though.

[cindyw]

15. Yes, yes you should laugh.

[TlalocW]

16. Hell, yes, you do

I said after our latest sham election that if any republican came crying to me about ANYTHING that Bush does or anything that happens to them as a direct result from Bush policies that they can shove their whining since they voted for the man, and it's their own damn fault - that includes job loss, benefits loss, or death of a family member/friend in Iraq.

They are directly at fault for the direction this country goes, and they should be made to understand that.

TlalocW

[aden_nak]

17. You can say "I Told You So" without using those words.

I've already had a few people come to the realization that they are now officially fucked under the new Bush Economy. Specificly, people who voted for him and supported him. Now when they whine and bitch about how hard things are going to be, I make sure to remind them not what I told them, but rather what they did:

"You wanted him. You got him."

It's essentially the same thing as I Told You So, but rather than drawing a comparison that causes people to become defensive as a reflex, it causes people to become angry that they did, in fact, vote for him. This generally leads to a retort along the lines of:

"This isn't what I voted for."

People don't like being lied to. If you give them the choice of being angry with "lib'ruls" or being angry with someone that clearly lied to them, better than half of them will be angry with the lie. So I generally respond to their response with something like:

"So you got suckered. Life's a bitch like that. Next time, think before you vote."

I get my barb in, but not before they admit they were idiots.

[gratuitous]

24. Do your laughing and gloating here

Lord knows it's too much for mortals to resist, but this is also one of the "teachable" moments: Right after the jackass has been drilled between the eyes with a two-by-four and you've actually got his attention.