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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 03:46 PM
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Poll question: Is It Time For a Woman President?
Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 03:48 PM by Placebo
Regardless of the candidate; is it time?

I say, hell yes!
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 03:47 PM
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1. it's not time
I'd say it'd be time in 2008 though.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 06:03 PM
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19. How easily we forget there was a Female VP candidate in 1984,
and the public LOVED and were DEFINITELY ready for a Female President...even 21 years ago!

Boxer! Boxer! Boxer!
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 07:10 PM
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23. I need to borrow your way back machine
I don't recall the public loving her. At least not the general public. I remember a number of times people making fun of her, or attacking her husband, etc. Not to mention she was paired with Mondale and they got trashed.

To say that the public loved her, well that's arguable. To say they were definatley ready for a female president in 1984 seems a stretch since they reelected the gipper and bush the elder.

When was the last time a female candidate won a primary?

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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 06:04 PM
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20. First woman president will be a Republican
Like Nixon going to China.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 07:05 PM
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22. I concur
I've thought this for awhile. The democrats put up a woman and they're accused of putting her up because she's a woman. The republicans put up a woman and they accuse the democrats of not liking her because she's a woman.

They've played the same cards recently with some of their nominations (hispanic, black, woman) and they'll do it again.

For over 10 years I've said that the first black president and the first woman president would be the same person, and that they'd be a republican. I don't know if it'll be Condi, but they're certainly lining her up like I feared.

Nobody has heard of her
Make her NSA
Make her SecState

next Cheney resigns, and they make her VP and then she runs for President.

Then we all shudder.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:20 AM
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27. oh please god no! nt
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:43 AM
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26. I agree
As evidence see our own 'beloved' Maggie Thatcher.
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pauliedee Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:44 PM
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50. Boxer yes, Hillary no
Only if it's Barbara Boxer. NOT the corrupt republican talking Hillary.
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pauliedee Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:50 PM
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52. Only if it's Boxer
Only if it's Boxer, Granholm, or Shaheen but NOT the republican talking traitor Hillary...she's no good.
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TerdlowSmedley Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 03:48 PM
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2. So long as it's NOT Condeleezza Rice.
Oh, and try "regardless".
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 03:49 PM
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3. I'm way ahead of ya.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 03:53 PM
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4. Depends on the woman
Condoleeza Rice -- HELL, HELL NO
Elizabeth Dole -- HELL NO
Hillary Clinton -- NOT SURE
Stephanie Tubbs-Jones -- COULD HAVE MY VOTE
Jan Schankowski (not sure of the spelling) COULD HAVE MY VOTE
Barbara Boxer -- HAS MY VOTE
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pauliedee Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:52 PM
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53. Tubbs Jones or Maxine Waters yes
Not the double talking Hillary though. She's a repug in disguise.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 03:55 PM
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5. How will gender make a difference?
Just wondering what we think will change when the sex of the person does in the oval office.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:34 AM
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29. I don't think that's the point--and if we speculated about that without
knowing who the person is, we'd be pretty sexist.

I think the point is that it is (past) time to open the doors to good candidates regardless of gender.
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firebee Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 03:57 PM
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6. Ireland's not doing too bad
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 03:58 PM
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7. Think you forgot 'other'
It's time for an ethical president.

Leadership and character is not gender specific.

Although, yes, I would love to see a woman president.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:02 PM
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8. I think it's time to at least try it
Let's face it, anything's better than the muck we're in now. But women can be just as greedy, stupid and full of hate, as men in power sometimes are.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:04 PM
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9. It's beyond time
Just not Hillary
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:07 PM
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10. it has always been time
whether or not they could be voted in is another story
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recovering democrat Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:13 PM
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11. Yes.
"If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back and get it right-side up again. And now that they are asking to do it, the men better let them."

Sojouner Truth


I believe she said these words in 1851. Hell, yes, it is about time!
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ZootSuitGringo Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:16 PM
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12. Although it may be long overdue to have a woman president,
I don't think that a Democratic woman can win during this so-called War on Terror. Democratic male contenters have an already hard enough time conveying strength, let alone a woman.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:29 AM
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40. I totally agree--
that a certain percentage of the American public still has a problem with the definition of "strength." Boxer, Clinton, Tubbs-Jones, and others have demonstrated an incredible amount of strength under pressure, but it will not be enough to convince the fearful that a woman could lead the "War on Terror." The post-traumatic shock of 9-11 has been used to shore up the old male/female stereotypes. And yet just look at the strength of those women in the 9-11 families, or the women directly affected by the war in Iraq. Everyone knows women have the inner strength and the outer ability to lead our country. But we are facing a delusional disconnect, a knee-jerk reaction to scary times.

If we could put a woman up as VP that would be about as good as it gets in the current climate. As much as I would like to see a woman run for president in 2008, I think it's impossible, given this state of delusion about what constitutes real strength and ability to govern. As long as we have a continuing threat scenario domestically, and an aggressive, overly militaristic policy elsewhere, a woman will not be considered for the job.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:28 PM
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13. heck, it's time for a cheese danish as president. it would be
an improvement on the current situation.
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LeftyLizzie Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:31 PM
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14. Yes, but . . .
not just because she's a woman. It would be nice to see a woman up there, but it really depends who it is. I wouldn't vote for a female for president just because she was a female. . .
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MNAZ Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 04:50 PM
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15. agreed...
just like I wouldn't vote for a black just because he/she is black or a hispanic...

The question stated is it time regardless of the candidate...I think it's pretty irresponsible to vote regardless of the candidate.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 05:33 PM
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16. Absolutely- Barbara Boxer. n/t
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 06:04 PM
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21. I'll "second" that. Boxer for Prez!
n/t
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 07:32 PM
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25. OY- A woman and a Jew and a Democrat and she's from Brooklyn!
Hey, she's my homey and my "landsman" but I don't think she'd have a ice cubes chance in hell. At least the first woman has to be a good "Christian woman". I don't think America could handle a woman and a Jew simultaneously.
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TNDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 05:38 PM
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17. Oprah would be a sure winner.
I would also happily support Carol Mosely-Braun or Barbara Boxer.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:36 AM
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30. I agree with you--I think Oprah would get a lot of support.
If Reagan and Schwarzeneggar can do it, why not?

I think she would get more support than Braun or Boxer.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 05:57 PM
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18. Voted 'Yes.' But just as it is with male candidates --
-- I want exclusive powers to choose which female candidate.

Condi is not on my list.

Alexis Herman is.
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Sympleesmshn Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 07:28 PM
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24. Yes...
Although I might not vote for one in the Primaries, I would support one if that was who the party picked. I wouldn't vote for a republican woman unless I cant stand the dem... I just haven't seen a woman, now that I am looking at possibles for the next election, that would hold up. I saw Clinton on "meet the press" and thought she was too dry. If a woman will be elected she will have qualities no other male candidate has, lets hope we can find a candidate to unite the country and move us to action... I would like to see Clark and Clinton next time... then Clinton would be in a place to move up later....
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:27 AM
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28. I gotta go with "depends on the woman"

I mean, Katherine Harris is a woman. Paris Hilton is a woman. Condi is a woman. Shit, Ann Coulter might even be a woman.

Barbara Boxer? Now we're talkin'.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:39 AM
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31. If she'd be a good president, yes.
I would never vote just based on the novelty factor.
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:12 AM
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32. Political suicide to run a woman in 2008 and that is reality.
Their CIC requirements will not be accepted by a significant portion of the voting public due the war on terror hysteria. I would personally be more secure with a qualified woman in the office especially when compared to the "idiot." Kerry even fell short in enough voter’s minds as CIC to cost him the election and he was a decorated combat veteran. A female candidate would be swift boated into irrelevance by the rethugs by this one issue.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:29 AM
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33. I can honestly say...
... that I would vote for the person that I most felt could be successful. Gender doesn't really figure into the equation.

Eventually, that person will be a woman, although I have to say Hillary it won't be.

But I also agree with others here - the first woman president will be a republican. Let's just hope it's someone like Libby Dole and not someone like Condi.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:43 AM
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34. the Right Media is asking this question cause they are pushing Condi
Why else would they be asking this question at this time.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:57 AM
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36. I really...
.. cannot imagine that person getting elected. Particularly if the Dem candidate is not a puss, not afraid to put her record out there in plain English.

On the other hand, I did not think W would get re-elected - so what do I know :)
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:42 PM
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49. Why else? Ummm Hillary?
Hillary has been mentioned several times. People even asked Bill how he would handle being in the White House as the First Gentleman?

But yeah, they might try Condi. The funny thing is, if we could get impeachment on the worst offenders - she'd be better than that God awful Speaker of the House.

What makes Condi so bad is she isn't strong enough to stand up to Bush and she isn't conscienced enough to step away from office rather than lie and be part of a policy of torture and propoganda.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 08:54 AM
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35. It's always time for a woman President.
Of course if the candidate was Condi Rice, I would vote against her. ANd I think Hillary is kind of a non-starter.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:00 AM
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37. What a lame question.
It's time for the best candidate to be President. If the person happens to be a woman, so be it.

But if both parties are going to nominate women as some sort of "catfight for president," doesn't that seem rather arbitrary and patronizing?

As a male, I wouldn't know, but it doesn't seem right to me that people would just say, "It's time."

It's never going to be time for Hillary or Condoleeza.

I'd take any Democratic President at this point, but Hillary is not one of our stronger candidates.

And Condoleeza Rice? I'll eat my shoes if Republicans nominate her.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:04 AM
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38. Regardless of the candidate? Hell No!
Seriously bad for America:

Rice
Pickles
My mother-in-law

wait, let me move my M-I-L up one step...
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New Democrat Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:12 AM
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39. Sorry had to vote no
It says "regardless of candidata" That includes Ann Coulter. Who wants her as president?
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Commendatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 10:51 AM
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41. Two points here regarding my "no" vote
1.) As soon as we make an issue of a candidate's plumbing, the candidate loses.

2.) As stated earlier, I don't want president Rice, Coulter or Ingraham.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:02 AM
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42. how anybody can say it isn't time is beyond me
When will it be time? when will it be time for people of color? Why must only white males need apply?
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Commendatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:48 AM
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43. That's not what's being said
I haven't seen anyone against the idea of a woman president here, I see people saying that they're not willing to accept ANY woman (the original post did say "regardless of candidate"). Who would you rather have as president - white male John Kerry or minority female Condollezza Rice?

I don't want someone in office just because it's about time for that person's race or gender, I want someone in office who represents mmy beliefs.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:50 AM
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44. I'm not saying it is being said here
I'm stating I don't understand how anybody can oppose the idea of a woman president or person of color. But thanks for the lecture.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:52 AM
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45. It's time for a parliamentary democracy with a PM.
The executive branch has to much power.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 12:07 PM
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46. It is time for an honest President.
Either gender would do.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 12:16 PM
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47. Elizabeth Rogers in '20!
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:35 PM
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48. How about Barbara Boxer, she has enough cajones and is a lady.
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pauliedee Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:49 PM
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51. Only if it's Boxer
Only if it's Barbara Boxer or Jennifer Granholm or Jeanne Shaheen...any woman but the republican talking traitor Hillary.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:52 PM
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54. I think there are more important characteristics than gender
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 11:54 PM by Crunchy Frog
to focus on for the next election. Like someone who can actually get elected.

Don't get me wrong, I'm completely in favor of having a woman president. I'm just not sure that there's anyone in the wings who fits the bill for what is needed right now.

Given a choice between Boxer and Hillary, I would definitely go for Boxer.
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independentchristian Donating Member (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:54 PM
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55. Is it time for an asian, african american, or hispanic president???
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 11:56 PM by independentchristian
Screw the window dressing, okay.

What good is a "woman President", if that "woman" is Condoleeza Rice?

Maybe I think differently than other people who apparently worry more about "how things look," rather than whether they have any quality. I don't care if the President is black, white, male, female, what-the-heck-ever!

It's not time for a "woman or a man" President, it's time for a "good" President.
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