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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:44 AM
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Matt Lauer on Gannongate: "Such a bizarre yet fascinating story"
Campbell Brown tore Jeff Gannon a new one on The Today Show just now.

She even asked him if he was soliciting himself for sex on the internet, and he was evasive (of course).

Here are a couple of Gannon's best lines (these aren't necessarily verbatim quotes):

"If The White House were going to hire a plant, don't you think they would have chosen someone better than me?"

"I asked for access and I got it. It makes you wonder about the other kinds of people who get access."

"My lawyer told me not to go into specifics, but yes, the truth is out there. But there is also a lot of disinformation out there."

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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:47 AM
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1. The truth is out there?
Is his new moniker Fox Mulder?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:31 AM
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13. that could be Fuax news new slogan (since truth is not reported)
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:51 AM
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14. Fox news Motto:
The Truth is Out There.
The Truth is Not Here.
We are WAY out-there.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:53 AM
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16. ROFL! I'm about to get ready for work, I needed a good laugh.
Thanks.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:29 AM
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26. email that motto to Fox--good one for sure
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:47 AM
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2. Brown was throwing him softballs. She didn't ask how he knew
about shock and awe 4 hours before the fact. She didn't bring up the Wilson interview. She didn't ask about his attending White House Christmas parties either.

She also didn't rebut him on that thing about misinformation about his having gay escort sites.

It was something though, and Matt Lauer did say that Dems wanted an investigation into this.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:48 AM
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3. Fascinating?
Bizarre Yes, Fascinating NO.
More like sickening, to think they pulled this shit off long enough to keep bu$h from getting tough questions when they should have been asked is just disgusting.
They went after Clinton on much less than this and the media whores call this FASCINATING?
:puke:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:54 AM
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4. Guckert has a valid point that they COULD have found a ringer with
a better background, UNLESS it was someone having sex with him who chose him based on that.

If he has a client at the White Hosue or GOPUSA, then his story makes more sense.



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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:13 AM
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9. That's what I've been thinking, too. n/t
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:20 AM
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10. Dah! He does! But whom? How often? top? Cut?
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:53 AM
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15. quite right
hard to reach around that logic.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:56 AM
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17. My guess is they chose Gannon because he was expendable
Or perhaps because he had the dirt (or the santorum) on someone inside The White House.

Who knows who he had in his "little black book" when he asked for his credentials?

On the other hand, maybe they knew they could use him as long as they wished, and when they tired of him, the freepers "who have a propensity to eat their own" would dispose of him without Rove having to do the dirty work himself.

"Sorry, Bulldog. I tried to help you, but it was your own people that pulled the plug, it wasn't me. So, about those pictures of me with that twink in DuPont Circle..."
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:06 AM
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21. I've been thinking much the same. Guckert's hardly the brightest bulb
in the set, but I don't think he's paying much attantion to Rove and the Noise Machine, either.

I suspect he's doing these appearances to whore (sorry) himself, and he doesn't know what he's really doing.

It's a theory worth pursuing, because if there's any truth to it, Guckert could be easily persuaded to spill the beans.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:25 AM
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25. Bushies only seek ONE requirement: LOYALTY. Same thing with Kerik...
they knew he was lying scum and they appreciated that in his character, as long as he used it to serve THEIR need to maintain strict control over aspect of the administration.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:38 AM
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30. He must be
getting ready for his court stuff and a tell all book eh? :eyes: Like those will be successful.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:40 AM
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32. If he has any SENSE, he'll spill the beans before they silence him. How
many repugs would care if an unexpected accident put gukert out of commission? They need him silenced, come Gukert, SPILL THE BEANS + SAVE YOUR HIDE!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:54 AM
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41. The Democrats have asked for his detailed journal of over two years
I would imagine that it will tell some tails if ever uncovered. Gannon has been ordered to turn it over. intact If Gannon is to be suicided now is the time.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:42 AM
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35. possible
but also possible that their really is a lusty love connection. Humans can do some stupid crap for "love". If this administration left this back door open then it's also possible that we might get all the information that we need. Historically it wouldn't be the first or last time a human being put their heart before their head.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:37 PM
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44. Both can be true.
Maybe a man at the White House who is a client of James Guckert developed feelings for him.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:43 PM
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45. And a Little Sex Scandal Is a Nice Distraction from Social Security
Ain't it?

7 years ago I maintained Monical Lewinski was not the scandal, but the distraction. It still goes like that.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:57 AM
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18. But did she ask the obvious follow-up question?
The one that would have created a VERY juicy story for the press to relentlessly pursue?

*cricket*

Is there an exit from Bizarro World?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:55 AM
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5. just think what the media would have done if a phony reporter
who also was a gay prostitute had been found in the Clinton White House!! It would be THE story 24 hours per day.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:56 AM
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6. Well, Matt DID spend a week with Rush in Scotland "playing golf"
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:13 AM
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23. Just because they talked about clubs, holes and balls
does not mean they were playing golf. . . .
:evilgrin:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:39 AM
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31. LOL
That's really funny!!! You're so evil ETAwful. LOL! Thank you for the laugh.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:59 AM
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7. The question is whether

Gannon was there as a propoganda shill to promote the administrations agenda or as a spy to listen to what the real media were saying and doing.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:59 AM
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19. Even with Rove operating behind the scenes, I don't think he
has the smarts for either. He's promoting himself, nothing more, nothing less.

And all we need is for one GOOD reporter to ask the right questions.

I know, I can dream, though, can't I?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:10 AM
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8. Thanks Cambell...Something IS better than nothing! But,
I have faith that pretty soon we'll have most everything (well I won't hold my breath.) on the table. But enough will get out there to do damage to the White House and get the word out to the public that bush* has been manipulating the Corporate media and spreading propaganda. Maybe enough Rethugs will wisen up to the fact that they have been duped and this unelected president is a fraud. They should be sickened by his lies. :puke: Then we'll find out if they really have all those so called values...or if they are all hypocrites.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:10 AM
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22. If it wasn't for the sex (especially gay sex) nobody would pay attention
The Bush regime has capitalized on penis-obsessed Puritanism to put him into office. It's about time his own tactics turned around to (bite) him in the ass.

Bush: Now, I'd love to answer your questions about the environment, jobs, and Iraq, but instead I want to talk to you about family values like gay marriage and stem cells and steroids in baseball. And Janet Jackson's nipple.

If there's one thing that sells to Repugs, the Reich Wing, and the media it's sex. Sex will sell the Gannon story.

Sex.. Sex ....... Sex ........... Sex ...... Sex ......... Sex ... Sex .......... Sex .. Sex .... Sex .... Sex.. Sex ....... Sex ........... Sex ...... Sex ......... (prostitution) Sex ... Sex .......... Sex .. Sex .... Sex .... Sex.. Sex ....... Sex ........... (gay) Sex ...... Sex ......... (whores) Sex ... Sex .......... Sex .. Sex .... Sex .... Sex.. Sex ....... Sex ........... Sex ...... Sex ......... (penis) Sex ... Sex .......... Sex .. Sex .... Sex .... Sex.. (homosexual) Sex ....... Sex ........... Sex ...... Sex ......... Sex ... Sex .......... Sex .. Sex .... Sex

Sex.

That's your hook.

Sex.

That's what gets it on the news.

The rest of the story (the boring, non-penis related parts) are Valerie Plame, Credentials, Shilling, Rathergate, Leaked Memos... all the stuff that leads to impeachment and treason... (yawn). SEX!

Sex? Sex? Oh, what was that? Tell me more... shilling, treason (yawn) SEX!... leaks... plame... SEX!... Rathergate... White House Security (yawn) .. SEX!

Now, we need Bill Clinton to make a statement in "support" of Jeff Gannon. "As someone who has faced a similarly viscous witch hunt, I feel his pain."
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:42 AM
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34. Very true
Around Christmas on "E" they had the top most shocking stories hosted by Jerry Springer and instead of something normal the number one thing was the Janet Jackson nipple thing. :eyes:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:31 AM
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43. The payola world of Operation Mockingbird and the the domestic
wartime PsyOps media manipulations would REQUIRE a person of Gannon/Guckert's calibre, which could only be found in a bowling alley (apologies to the writer of the movie 'Arthur').

Plausible deniability is a necessity in that covert world. Who better suited to put out there than this guy ? In the past guys like Michael Aquino (intelligence at SF Presidio) were put out there...and "The Finders" --a delightful story there too. It sends two messages at once and keeps the breadcrumbs from the WhiteHouse door.

Oh, also look into 'CNN and PsyOps' the counterpunch story by Alexander Cockburn during the 2000 election. This story should have hit the fan back then, not NOW, for cryin out loud.

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:26 AM
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11. I'll bet Rove gave him those lines!!!!
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:30 AM
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12. MORE interviews? I thought he said he was done?
WTF with this guy?

What's with the attention whoring?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:02 AM
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20. Like I suspect, Rove HASN'T got his hand in Guckert's back.
Could the administration be setting him up for a fall, or do they know this story will be so mufffled it wille fade away?

If it's choice 1, we have got to keep pursuing it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:19 AM
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24. Maybe Guckert was already contemplating suicide when they picked him?
Maybe they picked someone they could easily point to and say, "He'd had a history of depression and suicidal thoughts, so it isn't really suspicious that he shot himself in the head (twice) and didn't leave a note."

On the other hand, Guckert actually seems to be ENJOYING himself on these interviews.

Is it just me, or does it look like the more he's in the spotlight, the more it seems to remind him of his days in the High School Theater Club when he played Daddy Warbucks in "Annie", or King Mongkut in "The King and I"?

Guckert: I am merely being persecuted for being too conservative and asking the wrong questions etcetera etcetera etcetera. The charges against me are completely false, and I am confident I will be vindicated because when I'm stuck with a day that's gray and lonely...

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:42 AM
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36. He'sjust like the rest of them
and a total flipflopper. He did say that, didn't he? He's a looney.
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:32 AM
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27. They chose Gannon because he's corruptible...
He has no sense of ethics and was willing to whore himself out to the highest bidder (both literally and figuratively). Gannon and Talon "News" were useful to the White House because they desseminate White House/conservative propaganda.

One reason why Gannon was caught was because he's greedy and stupid. If he wasn't whoring himself out over the internet, then he probably wouldn't have been caught

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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:32 AM
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28. Transcript of the show
‘I asked to come. They allowed me to come’
Access to the White House press room was easy, former reporter Jeff Gannon tells NBC’s Campbell Brown in an exclusive interview

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7022981/
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:44 AM
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37. Then how come
some people have a hard time getting there? How come the room isn't bigger with tons of other reports? :eyes: I hope Conyers and the others are successful at finding out more about him.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:36 AM
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29. Who is he trying to fool?
"If The White House were going to hire a plant, don't you think they would have chosen someone better than me?"

LOL. What a dork. I wonder why they put you there Jeffie. Could it be because of who you "volunteered" for? Hmm? Talon news of GOPUSA. Hmm. And does it surprise you we have so many stupid people in the country who believe Bush's crap? "The truth is out there" reminds me of X-Files. :eyes: That's what I live in.
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:40 AM
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33. Isn't Campbell Brown dating someone from BushCo?
She's hardly an unbiased reporter-no wonder she didn't go for the throat in this interview.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:47 AM
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39. Maybe that's why
he got the interview. Either he used something to get the interview or someone in the Bush camp helped.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:47 PM
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46. dan senor, according to this nauseating site, filled w/talking head
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:52 AM
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40. That is a non-denial
"If The White House were going to hire a plant, don't you think they would have chosen someone better than me?"

Classic non-denial like these:

Condi: "there was no silver bullet that could have stopped 9-11"
GWB: "there are no plans to attack Iraq on my desk"
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:45 AM
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38. Missing the point about "Why Gannon?"
They didn't "pick" Gannon.

they were stuck with him.....he got what he wanted (a WH press pass) because it was what Gannon wanted, not the WH . Once he was there they were stuck with him. He either blackmailed his way in or had his way in bought for him by the Eberle connection.

Once he was in there, he proceeded to embarrass them.....
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:04 AM
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42. agree, agree, agree
he has got something on someone over there, and that is why he got in. As far as his denials, he has changed his story more than he changes those tighty whities he poses in. The trick will be to find out who, and dig up some real evidence. But something tells me that Mr. Gannon/Guckert has gotten addicted to the limelight, so unless they kill him (distraught reporter found hanging in closet) he will just keep talking to the cameras.
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