ANOTHER mysterious suicide!

[KalicoKitty]

"But when he passed out in my bathtub, then I noticed him."



Let's Just Say That 'a Friend Of Mine' Was Buying Cocaine

The first time I noticed George W Bush,” Hunter Thompson tells me, “was when he passed out in my bathtub at the Hyatt Regency in Houston. He was with a guy who had come to sell…” Thompson, sitting at his desk in a faded-green dressing-gown, stares down at a plate of untouched food: Danish pastries which were warm half an hour ago, smothered in red jam and melted ice-cream.

“Look, I’m not going to put this next sentence on the record. Let’s just say that ‘a friend of mine’ was buying cocaine. I have friends in Houston from all walks of life. Lawyers. Professional men. Bush was hanging around with this crowd of what you might call gilded coke dilettantes.” I’ve driven up to Owl Farm, the writer’s ranch at Woody Creek, just outside Aspen, Colorado, with the artist Ralph Steadman, his long-standing friend and collaborator. It’s 2pm — four hours before Dr Thompson usually rises — but we’ve woken him early, and laid out before him are his usual requirements for breakfast: orange juice, coffee, smouldering hash pipe, Dunhill cigarettes, a half-pint tumbler of Chivas Regal on ice, and a small black bowl filled with what — given certain lively exchanges I had with Thompson after the last time I wrote about him — I can only describe as a substance that some might assume to be cocaine.

“I remember Bush as a kind of a butt-boy for the smart people. This was in the late 1970s, when he was in his drunken-fool period. He couldn’t handle liquor. He knew who I was, at that time, because I had a reputation as a writer. I knew he was part of the Bush dynasty. But he was nothing, he offered nothing, and he promised nothing. He had no humour. He was insignificant in every way and consequently I didn’t pay much attention to him. But when he passed out in my bathtub,” Thompson adds, “then I noticed him. I’d been in another room, talking to the bright people. I had to have him taken away.”

“On Feb. 20, Dr. Hunter S. Thompson took his life with a gunshot to the head at his fortified compound in Woody Creek, Colorado. The family will provide more information about memorial service and media contacts shortly. Hunter prized his privacy and we ask that his friends and admirers respect that privacy as well as that of his family,” Juan and Anita Thompson said in a statement released to the Aspen Daily News. “He stomped terra.”

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=577323

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room

http://backword.me.uk/

[Al-CIAda]

1. Very interesting -eom

[leveymg]

2. Mr. Chalmers - why didn't you print this before Nov. 4?

Is any of this admissible, or is it excludable as hearsay?

Anyone care to speculate on either question?

[Demit]

4. Actually it was picked up (most of it) on Nov 2 by Amygdala

blog at http://amygdalagf.blogspot.com/2004/11/doctor-is-in.html

The original UK article in the OP's first link you apparently have to pay for--too bad, I would've liked to read it all.

[leveymg]

7. Thanks! This one may go somewhere, if the author stays sober (and alive).

Apparently, the major UK papers which picked up on it are satisfied on both accounts.

[crikkett]

33. ENTIRE article is at this URL:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/features/story.jsp?story=613312

It was picked up by the Belfast Telegraph so we all save a Pound.
fun fun fun!
:tinfoilhat:

PS: BTW what's the difference between a Pound and a Quid?

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

34. Poignant paragraphs...

""I met John Kerry in a riot on that elegant little street in front of the White House. He was yelling into a bullhorn and I was trying to throw a dead, bleeding rat over a spiked fence on to the White House lawn."

The year was 1971.

"I understood right away that Kerry was on the right side," he explains. "He is decent, he is smart and he is brave. Kerry would be a good person to have next to you in a fight. Can you imagine being in a fight and depending on George W Bush to help you? John Kerry is a hero to me. George Bush is chicken shit.""

[Chomp]

40. Quid

Quid is to pound what buck is to dollar.

[seventythree]

22. total hearsay

[Media_Lies_Daily]

36. Except for the fact that others probably noticed the Bush-filled tub....

...I would agree with you.

[seventythree]

42. correct -- if one was there and witnessed Bush

in the tub and they could be contemporaneously cross examined regarding his being in the tub, then it's not hearsay.

[smirkymonkey]

3. "But he was nothing, he offered nothing, and he promised nothing"

How well do you think W's ego held up to that remark?

Truer words were never spoken, yet how could HST know that what he did have to offer was death, destruction and malice the world over.

[dweller]

5. reads alot like the RollingStone article

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6562575?rnd=1099009920793&has-player=true


but it's not, just more details.

dp

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Wow

Mysterious deaths all around. So interesting. I wonder if he really "took his life" because of these freakin crazy neocons.

[leveymg]

8. Nominate this for Greatest?

Look at the timing of Hunter's death and the release of this account -first appeared on a blog 11/02/04 (see above) - VERY interesting.

Could Wead tapes be a preemptive limited hangout? Yes?

[Demit]

9. I dunno...plenty of reports that HST talked about suicide as an option in

an ongoing way, throughout the years. And he was 67 and ailing. Not ruling out BFEE, but...

[leveymg]

10. The perfect victim.

In reality, I'm very skeptical about it being anything other than suicide. Still, stranger things . . .

[Demit]

11. Sure, like the Mafia...can wait years, but still needs to get revenge.

I thought of that too. Still, if ole Hunter entertained the thought of doing it himself, he got the last laugh even if they did engineer it. RIP, HST.

[Junkdrawer]

12. OK, here's what started my Spider Senses tingling...

Like many questionable deaths of the past, a DU pattern emerges...

1.) Famous "problem" for BushCo dies...

2.) Details come out with a faint whiff of "hmmm"...

3.) A DU poster gathers and posts the reasons for suspicion.

4.) The usual army of debunkers appear to scream "don't dishonor X by questioning his/her death"...

5.) Questioning DU posters dwindle to a stubborn minimum...

6.) More questionable details emerge...

...and it's always the Fourth Step that gets my attention.

[psychopomp]

13. Also, some reasonble indications of suicide

Among others, apparently he was on the phone with his wife at the time he was taking his life.

Shocking, yes.

[leveymg]

18. What does she have to say about it?

If he said, "Honey, I'm going to blow my brains out now", that's one thing. If there was just a bang in the middle of the sentence, that's an entirely different matter.

But, wouldn't the homicide detectives have asked this?

Where did you learn that he was on the phone?

[blackcatpgh]

26. here's a link

(edited to fix quote.)

i posted this in LBN a while back:

"In a phone interview yesterday, Tobia said only in retrospect does it makes sense that the 67-year-old author sat in his kitchen Sunday afternoon, stuck a .45-caliber handgun in his mouth, and killed himself while his wife listened on the phone and his son and daughter-in-law were in another room of his house. His wife had no idea what had happened until she returned home later."

from:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/02/22/after_thompsons_suicide_attorney_saw_clues/

that is one of the few articles that mentioned the detail of his wife being on the phone when he did it.

today, there was an article where she & juan spoke to the press:

"Hunter S. Thompson, who told an interviewer two years ago that he was more concerned with being called "elderly" than being termed a dope fiend, appropriately died as he lived - on his own terms, his wife and son said in their first public statement since Thompson shot and killed himself Sunday evening.

Thompson's widow, Anita, and adult son, Juan, said "it is entirely fitting that Hunter, as a master of politics and control, chose to take his life on his own schedule by his own hand, rather than submitting to fate, genetics or chance.

"Though we will miss him bitterly, we understand his decision. Let the world know that Hunter S. Thompson died with his glass full, a fearless man, a warrior.""

from:
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E2729319,00.html

i'm guessing that whatever he said on the phone, it was very personal and that's why it isn't being covered.

[leveymg]

30. Looks like it was bang in the middle of a sentence.

Indeed, one must ask: "(D)oes it makes sense that the 67-year-old author sat in his kitchen Sunday afternoon, stuck a .45-caliber handgun in his mouth, and killed himself while his wife listened on the phone and his son and daughter-in-law were in another room of his house(?). His wife had no idea what had happened until she returned home later."

She had no idea what had happened until she returned home later?!?! NO IDEA? Is HST in the habit of punctuating his telephone calls with gunshots? Something isn't being said here.

Still, nobody seems too surprised that he would live and die strangely in the land of the weird. It's just as well this way. We can only hope, though, it comes out that this is much stranger and involved paralyzing gas, hallucinogenic drugs, and a half-blind double-agent.

[blackcatpgh]

32. well...

somehow, i'd be surprised if HST had NEVER punctuated a telephone call with gunshots before!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. Except that the previous gunshots never silenced Thompson....

...he was still quite lively following the rather loud sounds.

[kk897]

28. I read that, too, and it said that she didn't realize that's what had

happened until she got home. Odd, isn't it?

[SmokingJacket]

14. What makes me suspicious is how my local paper keeps spinning it

Yesterday's headline about the story was something like, "Thompson's suicide no surprise." Then you read the article, and it says that one guy who knew him wasn't surprised, but actually two other people, friends of his, said it was the last thing he'd do. One friend said, "I'd sooner expect him to shoot me."

And today's headline was "Thompson's suicide was planned." And there's a quote by someone speculating that he might have planned it. But it goes on to say that his family was surprised and that there was no note -- no evidence at all that it was planned.

Why are they telling us how to interpret this story???

If this was a rational response to wanting to end his pain, why would he do it when his grandson was visiting?

I'm perfectly willing to believe he killed himself -- he was an edgy guy, after all -- but it's weird that the media seem desperate to squelch all speculation.

[Junkdrawer]

17. We're on the same wavelength...

"Pay no attention to the pimple I'm pointing to..."

--- followed by ----

"Only Conspiracy Nuts see a pimple"...

[Padraig18]

15. There's nothing 'mysterious' at all about the HST suicide.

:tinfoilhat:

[Desertrose]

35. I'm sorry, but ALL suicides have a certain degree of mystery about them

and this one as much as any....

so laugh at this :tinfoilhat: if you want...but there is a whole lot more going on on so many levels in this crazy world...I don't see how anyone can "know" anything for sure one way or another.....

I sure a hell don't trust * or anyone remotely connected to him...do you??

[leftofthedial]

16. Why wouldn't HST have said more about this?

He was a pretty prolific guy, with a guaranteed audience and no love lost for the bush cabal.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. because he had thoughts that by not saying anyting he might somehow be

permitted to live :shrug: and not join the "bush body count"

boy what a mistake

[leftofthedial]

21. are we talking about the same Hunter S Thompson?

HST shut up because someone threatened him?

No way.

[LibertyorDeath]

20. No Suicide note....We are talking about HST

No Suicide note.

That's pretty strange for a guy who made his living
as a Writer. imho

[Up2Late]

31. It does seem awfully strange

Like you said, No Suicide note. From a Writer. With guests visiting. and the fact that an awful lot of folks connected to the B*sh family have committed suicide over the years.

Check out these "coincidences"
<http://www.bushbodycount.com/list.php?catid=23&blogid=2>:evilfrown:

[cascadiance]

43. This list is incomplete...

They left off Margie Schoedinger... Left a note for them to fix...

http://www.ledgeofliberty.com/2004/06/who_killed_marg.html

[Up2Late]

47. Thanks, I had heard about the Court Petition, but...

...I had NOT heard that she had "committed suicide" too.

I'm just glad the * Body Count site is back up. It went down a few weeks ago, and was down for at least a week. I was beginning to think the person behind the site had "committed suicide" too.

One of the things I find interesting is, some of the folks listed, had websites that they posted to regularly, but after their "suicide," the website ends up abandoned, left as sort of a "time capsule" :smoke:

[EC]

23. The back cover on "The Great Shark Hunt" gave anyone

wanting to off him a set-up. But I cannot believe he would have done it before his latest book was finished or not leave a note. Writers tend to want to leave a message.

[Garbo 2004]

24. Son said Thomspon told him years ago that he would commit suicide

so the timing was the only surprise:

Feb. 24, 2005 - Journalist Hunter S. Thompson discussed committing suicide at least 10 years before he took his life, his family said.

Thompson's son and daughter-in-law, Juan Thompson and Jennifer Winkel Thompson, said that the 67-year-old "gonzo journalist" had outlived his own expectations.

"I've known for many, many years that this is how Hunter would go," Juan Thompson told the Rocky Mountain News in Thursday's editions. "It was just a question of when. This was a big surprise and I didn't expect it to be now, but the means was exactly as we expected."

Thompson shot himself in his Aspen-area home Sunday. His son, daughter-in-law and 6-year-old grandson were visiting from Denver and in the house. His wife of two years, Anita, was at a health club.

When Thompson fired his .45-caliber handgun, Juan Thompson thought a book had fallen.

"When I found him, he was in his chair, his head was slumped forward," Juan Thompson said. "It looked like he had fallen asleep."

Juan Thompson said his father had suffered weeks of pain from a host of physical problems that included a broken leg and a hip replacement.

"I think maybe he wanted to go out before it stopped being fun," Juan Thompson said. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=527171

It's an AP story so it's around the net.

[WoodrowFan]

25. so his family was in the house and heard the shot

hardly seems suspicious then.

[autorank]

41. "host of physical problems"

broken leg -- No fun at any age and harder to heal later but manageable.

hip replacement -- No picnic but people do these for a reason; they gain greater range of motion and are in LESS pain.

Sorry CM (corporate media) but these are not the type of illnesses that generate suicide.

Quite frankly, I'm bummed. I have no idea what happened. We'll see.

[bloom]

27. I don't know if it was mysterious, but he did say this (in 2003)

I don't really know Iraq. I made a point of getting to know it a lot better. It was a very advanced, progressive country, had, what, 90% literacy, health care for the whole entire population. They were doing well, prosperous, high literacy. Many more book stores per capita in Iraq than there are in this country. Many. No more. We bombed their children. We killed their husbands and wives and we bombed them, and we saw her, and we're going to do it again. Just random killing like that, mass killing to force a population to get rid of Saddam so we can move in and take over and control the oil, God damn it, if that's not evil, I don't know what would be. You know, Bush, he’s really the evil one in here. Well, more than just him. We're the Nazis in this game, and I don't like it. I'm embarrassed and I'm pissed off. Yeah. I mean to say something and I think a lot of people in this country agree with me. A lot more never say anything. We'll see what happens to me if I get my head cut off in the next week by -- it's always unknown Bush (inaudible) strangers who commit suicide right afterward. No witnesses. They have a new kind of crime.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/23/164218

[slutticus]

29. "But he was nothing, he offered nothing, and he promised nothing."

You can't get any more succinct than that.

"He was insignificant in every way..."

[Emboldened Chimp]

38. ARRRGGHHH!!! Not every suicide is a BFEE hit!

Dammit, people, Thompson talked often of doing himself in. He wanted to drive off a cliff with a case full of whiskey and a trunk loaded with dynamite, for Christ's sake. The man's been around a long time and has pissed off a lot of people. If they wanted him dead, it wouldn've been done a long time ago. Some people actually do kill themselves, even crazy old drug addicts in constant physical pain with a paranoid streak and a house full of guns.

[Donailin]

39. THIS :

"'Imbecility: a more or less advanced feebleness of the intellectual faculties' - Are you with me so far? 'That weakness of mind which, without depriving the person entirely of his reason, leaves only the faculty of conceiving the most common and ordinary ideas. It varies in degree from merely excessive folly to an almost total vacuity of mind.' That's our boy."


is spot on.

[Melynn]

44. If someone wanted to get rid of HST by way of suicide

Now was the perfect time because of Hunter's bad health. The official explanation would be that Hunter was depressed because of his heath and had killed himself for that reason.

I wonder just how much Hunter knew about the young W.Bush?

[Garbo 2004]

45. His wife said he'd been talking about suicide in recent months.

Widow: Thompson Shot Himself on Phone
ASSOCIATED PRESS
ASPEN, Colo. (AP) -

The widow of journalist Hunter S. Thompson said her husband killed himself while the two were talking on the phone...

...Anita Thompson, 32, said her husband had discussed killing himself in recent months and had been issuing verbal and written directives about what he wanted done with his body, his unpublished works and his assets.

His suicidal talk put a strain on their relationship, she said.

"He wanted to leave on top of his game. I wish I could have been more supportive of his decision," she said. "It was a problem for us."

Full article here: http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2005/feb/25/022505909.html

[lynne]

46. No mystery here -

- the family has stated he talked of suicide and his son was in the house and heard the shot.

Not to mention this tidbit in the Rocky Mountain News:

ASPEN — "Hunter S. Thompson heard the ice clinking."

The literary champ was sitting in his command post kitchen chair, a piece of blank paper in his favorite typewriter, dead of a self-inflicted gunshot through the mouth hours earlier.

But a small circle of family and friends gathered around with stories, as he wished, with glasses full of his favored elixir — Chivas Regal on ice.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3575306,00.html

******

I like a good wake as much as the next person but that's a bit much for me. I hope they put a hat on him.