Red State Moral Values

[dhinojosa]

I know there are many great people in red states, and a great many of those great people in those states are democrat. I am a blueneck in a red state too.

There is one thing that I can't help notice, the really disgusting things that have been happening in red states. It's as though hypocrisy is working extra overtime in the red states. The moral values claimed by red state voters seems to be taking a dive for the worse. Take a look at some recent examples:

Prosecutors: 7-month-old infant sexually assaulted (Houston)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/24/infant.assault.ap/index.html

Hoaxer targets army wife with false death call (Savannah)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/22/casualty.hoax.ap/index.html

Dad kills 2 kids, slits own throat (Columbus, GA)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/24/children.stabbed.ap/index.html

Man kills wife and son and buries them (Fort Worth)
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/local/10979685.htm?1c

Alabama Woman Accused of Killing 12-Year-Old Daughter Because She Was Angry Girl Had Sex (Birmingham)
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBPQP1XY3E.html

Woman pleads guilty to murdering 7-year-old girl found strangled in bean field (Indiana)
http://cbs11tv.com/national/MissingGirl-aa/resources_news_html

Would citing republicans on this sort of thing be petty and beneath us?

[skids]

1. redmorals.com n/t

[MAlibdem]

2. These are just a few people...

You can't smear a whole population based on the actions of a few. Clearly these people ARE NOT acting within the bounds of so-called "red-state" morality. BUT that doesn't matter at all. If you have something like those for GOP politicians, then fine, show those. But if not, slandering an entire population is totally uncalled for and without rhetorical merit.

[WLKjr]

3. I wouldn't go so far as to paint this with a broad brush

but I would go so far to say that I think a lot of people in the U.S. today are suffering from some sort of mental illness. I have noticed some sick ass things happening here in Ohio recently too.

[Demit]

4. and there's always our naked guy who bit a police officer in Philly.

[WLKjr]

9. yeah I heard about that

wonder what was going through that officers mind? :D

"AHHHHH theres a nekid guy bitting me AHHHHH!!


:shakeshead:

[tx_dem41]

5. If I had about a 30 mins to spare, I could come up with a longer ..

...list of incidents in blue states. But, WHAT'S the point???

Also, since you went to some trouble here, I'm confused why you didn't cite any evidence to back up your assertion that "moral values claimed by red state voters seems to be taking a dive for the worse."

Do you have evidence of past "weird" crime rates in these red states?

And, yes, not only would citing republicans on this sort of thing be petty and beneath us, it would also be most probably factually incorrect, or at least unsustainable.

[aden_nak]

6. Why do you think they are hammering moral values so hard?

It's called denial. Or compensation. It's a common thing, most human beings do it. Take a look at something a person claims to vehemently believe in, perhaps so much so that it supercedes logic at times, and you can pretty much figure out what they are LACKING in their life. It's already a sham for most people (red state or blue state, I don't care), and I think that's why it's so easy for people to vote for these fake moral value politicians.

They can smell their own.

[rabid_nerd]

7. "Blue State" Accomplishments

Electing Arnold Schwartzenegger
Electing Rudy Guiliani
Electing Rick Santorum
Electing Ronald Reagan

[MeDeMax]

15. good points...

although I personally would put bloomberg instead of Rudy, despite his highly partisan positions Guiliani was a good mayor for NYC.

How about all the 'pub Governors and their scandals in Illinois, another blue state ?

[Warpy]

8. Paul's rich man's loophole has been extended to the peasants

and he said that faith alone was necessary for salvation. People who buy into this stuff think what they do in life simply doesn't matter if they believe.

Most of them are ethical enough not to gut the neighbor's toddler when they find it disturbing the shrubbery in their own yards, but this release from responsibility in life creates a social and political climate in which anything goes. It's given them permission to hate.

That this stuff will increase among populations with a critical mass of religious idiocy should come as no surprise, but remember, people do sickening things everywhere. They just do them more often when crackpot religion tells them it's really OK, they'll go to heaven after.

[Justitia]

10. Sometimes it's demoralizing to us Dems in red state hell

to remind us that we are a minority drowning in a red state sea of nuttiness. We know it, and aren't happy about it.

In my environment, I don't even use the word "republican" so as not to reinforce their identification with the party (hoping we can still sway some away from the Dark Side). I call them "Far Right Wingers", most don't like to be associated with an extreme.

Let's shore up the fighting dems who are on the front lines in the red states, we need it!

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

14. How about using this term....

The Rapturist Right Wing warmongering neocons. No sane Republican in a blue state wants to be associated with this lot and, in particular, hate to be divided from the 'Rockefeller Republicans' who believed in fiscal responsibility, sane foreign policy and social liberalism. The 'new money' upper-middle class stop and think when you tell them they aren't 'Rockefeller Republicans' but are instead 'neocons endorsing a theocracy'.

[Justitia]

19. That works too!

yes, "neocon, theocon" sounds ugly. Of course, the wingers around here don't think any of them apply to that either. They prefer "conservative repub", which is why I never use it. Nothing conservative or Abe Lincoln-ish about any of these people that I can see.

We must ALWAYS be working on our framing of the debate and it's terms.

[MeDeMax]

11. sorry, none of it has anything to do with...

these individuals being from red states.

For all we know these were dems or non-voters in red states.

Sorry to say but this is worse generalization than racial profiling used by law enforcement, which is bad enough in itself.

[Mnemosyne]

12. I've noticed that the fundaMENTAList mothers in red states

seem to almost always be the ones that go psychotic and kill their children. What in God's name are they doing to these women?!

I've lived in AL and know many fine people there. I live in Pa., know many fine people here. What I will never understand is anyone anywhere that can exploit the mentally ill in the name of God. Marx said that religion is the opiate of the masses, well maybe religion as practiced by fundaMENTALists is a form of mental illness on a mass scale.

"Desperate Housewives" is #1 show in red states, how hypocritical.

Thanks for post, and you will waste your breath trying to point out anything to repubes that are for *, he walks with God, don't you know?!

[Felix Mala]

13. Several similar cases in Indiana over the last few weeks

Lot's of ex-husbands killing wife, kids, new boyfriends, selves... I grew up with lots of "Americans" such as some of these creeps. I know their attitudes all too well about guns, gays and forners... One guy was a state trooper!

They tend to think that Bush hasn't gone far enough, that nukes are the best answer in the Middle East, as soon as we pull the troops -- God Bless 'em...

[Felix Mala]

16. D'oh... The trooper killings were several months back...

Also, notice that several conservative commentators and bloggiators were holding up Hunter Thompson as a poster boy of the permissive, God-hating left...

[El Fuego]

17. Seems like the most heinous crimes happen in small towns

Like that women who cut her baby's arms off a few months ago (it died). OF COURSE, it was a small town in TEXAS.

[tx_dem41]

18. Actually, it was in Plano, a town of like 300,000 people and which borders

Dallas.

[Township75]

20. There is nasty shit happening everywhere, regardless of politics

I think doing heinous acts transcends political affiliations. Taking examples of what goes on in a red state, and offering it as a reflectance on the political affiliation of that state is baseless at best...it also makes the one offering the claim look like someone who can't score points anyway else, other than to make outlandishly hand-waving arguments.

I think it is best to stay away from this type of stuff.

[DrGonzoLives]

21. Nothing like anecdotal evidence...

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