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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:50 AM
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Christian Right Mum On Gannon Affair
Bill Berkowitz: Working For Change 2/24

Why have the 'traditional family values folks' erected a wall of silence around the Gannon scandal?

They were livid over Sponge Bob Square pants' participation in a video advoctating tolerance, and fuming about Buster the Bunny's visit to a lesbian household. So where's the outrage from the Christian Right over the Jeff Gannon Affair? Despite a chunk of time having passed since the Gannon Affair was first uncovered, Christian Right organizations are still cloaked in silence. As of Feb 24, there wsn't any news about the Gannon Affair available on the Web sites of Focus on the Family Association, the Family Research Council, the American Family Association, or the Traditional Values Coalition. As best as I could determine, no special alerts about the Gannon Affair have been issued; and no campaigns have been launched to et to the bottom of the matter.

(Bill then goes on to discuss his phone calls and other communications with a whole raft of right wing 'family values' pressure groups. Great stuff!)

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=18628
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:53 AM
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1. I guess falwell, robertson etc
will dig in the old testament and start preaching the glory of sodomy. If a republican president is doing it it must be a-ok with the lord. Maybe evangelists will now open their arms and legs to homosexuals, praise the lord. Or maybe the haters will look in the mirror and cry.
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SujiwanKenobee Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 09:23 AM
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2. Well, here's the way a RW nutjob/evangelical poster puts it:


I'm mad as heck, and can't keep quiet any more. I'm telling all my
fellow conservative Christians about a story being buried by the
liberal media to protect one of their sodomite members. I hope
that's what is going on, becase I can't believe a good man like
President Bush would let this happen in our White House. This homo
faked his background and got into the white house for two years or
more under a fake name. He even got to ask the President questions
and got called on alot by the Press secretarees. Get this, the guy
was a hooker too, and not a jigolo, but a homo hooker! Looks like
Bush has someone getting blackmaled and should be fired for being a
sodomite. I bet it is the Press guy, he looks like a fag.

How long will these guys keep screwing up? That homeland security
guy had an affair across from the twin tower rubble, now a homo
hooker in the white house! Are they tring to give the country back
to the abortionists and sodomites again? They got warned 52 times
before 9/11 and didnt do nothing, they got rid of Sadam, but see how
they messed things up after? Did we bet on the rong horse? I knew I
shoulda voted for Buchanan in 2000. But I'm not leaving my
commenders side. Mr. Bush needs our help. We need to tell everyone
that the lib press is trying to sneak under our tent flap! Pass it
on!
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:24 AM
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11. Great find!
This is just the kind of scandal that can infuriate enough Evangelicals to pull their support from Chimp & Co. He had to suck up to the religious right (sorry for the pun) in order to get their votes, but if things like this start to stain Saint George's image, the right might just go shopping for another theocrat to support. Even more likely now that they are emboldened by the "man-date" they gave Chimp last November.

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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:25 AM
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12. And a big DU welcome,SujiwanKenobee!!!
:hi:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:53 PM
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18. It's not the "liberal press"
you stupid idiot! Did Clinton allow anything like this? Freakin no. Your President OWNS the media! Remember Armstrong Williams and his buddies who were paid with YOUR and others tax dollars to spew propoganda? Idiot. Why else do you think there are so many blogs out there? Duh! It's not the liberal press!
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Blue Christmas Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:58 PM
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20. Is there a link to this post? What site did it come from?
I'm not doubting its authenticity (to the contrary - I really WANT it to be real); I'm just interested in what context that was posted and what the reaction to it (if any) might have been. Thanks!
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SujiwanKenobee Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 05:41 PM
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38. From a Republican Yahoo group
I temporarily joined a Repub Yahoo group to see what kind of issues were being discussed. It had a heavy flavoring of Evangelism, which is overbearing for me at least and lots of info links. I saw very little in the way of response to the poster. I'm not on the group anymore--just kept this post in my in box as a reminder.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:11 PM
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25. Oh...my...God.
They're trying to blame this on the "librul media??????????" Have they HEARD the questions that Gannon/Guckert/Fuckert/Ted Hitler ASKED McClellan and Bush? Do these guys have their heads THAT DEEP in the sand that they can't see this??????
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 04:46 PM
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37. Where did you find this?
I'm not sure it's real.
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 05:46 PM
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39. Isn't this post an obvious put up?
IMHO
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:11 AM
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41. lol
it sounds sarcastic to me
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Bostonian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 09:30 AM
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3. Maybe Gannon's sex life isn't relevant
The issue is that Gannon got a press pass when he shouldn't have.

What does his sex life have to do with that?
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 09:38 AM
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4. And he shouldn't have....why?
Because 1)he wasn't really a journalist, and 2)he wasn't really a journalist because he WAS really running an escort service (isn't prostitution illegal?).

The escort service isn't terribly relevant, but it's certainly fun.
Also, if this were a Democrat, it would become instantly relevant.
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Bostonian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 09:46 AM
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5. The analogy is flawed
Your analogy with the Democrats is misformed. Here is the truly analogous situation:

Democratic president.

Sympathetic, liberal reporter who is secretly not a reporter but is instead an illegal dealer in bio-engineered products (something that the president and his supporters are supposed to hate).

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:11 AM
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10. Blue dress vs escort service. No need to construct analogies dear.
Edited on Fri Feb-25-05 10:11 AM by robbedvoter
They do exist.
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Bostonian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:10 PM
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24. Cute picture but not a serious answer
I mean "cute" in a not-cute way.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:12 AM
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42. come ON
if it were a Democrat in the White House it would be ALL OVER THE NEWS 24X7
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:55 PM
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19. Of course
This guy proves that. He claims Gannon was part of the "liberal press" and went on about him being a homosexual postitute even though Gannon claimed to be a Christian conservative and it was part of "his past." :eyes: So it's only fair we should do this too. Even if it's just to get this story out there and people looking at it.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:07 AM
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8. Republicans have made sex in particular gay sex relevant
They have harped on it for decades. Yet it appears that they are the majority of the ones caught in the act. They are the ones establishing the rules. When we find them breaking their rules they change the rules. Suddenly sex is not relevant. Tell that to Clinton.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:38 PM
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:08 AM
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9. Sex life or prostitution? Sex stops being private when you bill for it.
Edited on Fri Feb-25-05 10:22 AM by robbedvoter
Stops being legal too.
See, we here think sex is perfectly moral, gay or straight. It's THEM who quibble over tecnicalities - but only when it can strike political enemies.
In this story sex is merely the cherry on top (he did advertise as a top man, right?)
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Blue Christmas Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:01 PM
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21. It certainly stops being private when you post it on the internet! n/t
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:09 AM
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15. reli-fundies appear to be very interested in people's sexual orientation,
except when it suits them not to.

which indeed doesn't have anything to do with anyone's actual sex life.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:13 PM
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:06 PM
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22. His sex life IS relevant in that
it highlights the hypocrisy of the Radical Right, and its moronic leader, George W. Bush.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:28 PM
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 01:56 AM
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40. Judging by all of the replies that were deleted,
it looks like a nasty person got into this thread.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:09 PM
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23. Let's go over this again.
Regarding his professional "sex life"...

It was illegal.
It involved pornographic websites.
It could easily have involved blackmail.
It didn't involve journalism.

Ergo, he wasn't qualified to get even a daily pass to White House briefings, let alone presidential press conferences, if anybody checked his background. Which begs the question, who let him in? And why?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:32 PM
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:04 AM
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6. Don't you know that only "liberals" sin?
The hypocrites. It's only bad to be gay if you are liberal to them. Just like crimes committed by consevatives are ok.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:39 PM
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:05 AM
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7. Jesus said,
Why do you try to remove the speck that is in your brother's eye, when there is a beam in your own eye? First remove the beam that is in your eye, then you can clearly see to help your brother remove the speck that is in his eye.

This bunch has an entire lumberyard sticking out of their eyes, but they somehow are able to point out a multitude of specks in the eyes of others. But that's okay, because they really aren't interested in helping anyone besides themselves; they are free to criticize others because they don't really want to help remove the specks. They point out the sins of others not to help them, but merely to make themselves appear more righteous and to hide their own faults.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:36 AM
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13. Yup, and they are frustrated as hell stuck with only the Missionary
Position and not allowed the kinky stuff....especially with others of the same sex, heaven forbid....
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 10:59 AM
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14. Whores aren't really new to conservatives
media whores, religious whores, swift boat whores,
political whores. Hey, it's just their business.
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Bostonian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:36 PM
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16. I think it's a given
I think it's a given that most of the religious Right permanently condemns homosexuality.

You're all acting like you expect the entire Republican party to fall in line with those extremists. Do you really want them to? I sure don't.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 01:50 PM
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17. Because he's
one of them dontcha know? It was "part of his past"? :eyes:
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:39 PM
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31. I think we owe it to our fellow citizens to inform them
I urge everyone to fan out and disseminate the Gannon scandal to every "christian msg. bd. and posting forum. It is our duty to have an informed electorate.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 02:50 PM
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34. They have to be drawn out...
...someone needs to go on air or television and accuse Falwell of being one of Gannon's clients. That'll at least get him in enough of a tizzy to say something.
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jen4clark Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 03:20 PM
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35. Another "Gannon"? APRIL RYAN-JAMES
I can't start threads, but a very curious, intelligent friend of mine posted this on a message board I frequent. So many amazing sleuths here, I thought it would be a good place to post it. From ms in la:

Been doing a little research-- but have to go to work now
and can't complete it. There is an African American so-called
"journalist" also in on WH PRESS briefings. FOund in the
Gannon Freeper posts that he likes her - that W likes her-
(That was enough to rouse my suspicions!) Then this post:
=========================

To: ejdrapes

April is a 30+ year old black female reporter who President Bush
seems to like, I'm not sure who she works for, but she is not like
the others, she's respectful in her tone and questions

April reports for Urban America Radio. W does indeed like her, as do
I. However, many of her questions at the White House press breifings
begin with "Jesse Jackson says..."

She's one of THEM, make no mistake about it.

12 posted on 04/16/2004 7:41:36 PM PDT by Jeff Gannon
========================
"She's one of THEM--" caught my interest. Guess what?
She seems to have NO BIO , no background. Impossible to
find anything on her. May be another fake name. I did find her
invited to a White House dinner with Cheney, W, Condi, all the
usual admin. suspects, some heads of state and....Armstrong Williams
and April Ryan (the ONLY "journalists" I saw on the list)
She is supposedly working for American Urban Radio - which appears
to be owned by a Mellon (as in Mellon Scaife as in right wing
billionaire hate fest on Clinton ) Here's a warm exchange with
bush at a WH Press conference upon her return from maternity leave.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

April Ryan James of American Urban Radio Network

The WP's Lloyd Grove notes that President Bush was apparently hoping
for a very special present from White House correspondent April Ryan,
who just returned from maternity leave. "What's the name of the
baby?" Bush asked Ryan yesterday, during a photo-op with Czech
President Vaclav Havel. "Ryan Tyler James," she answered. "There's
no 'W.' Sorry."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now that's cute. She gave him lots of Gannon-ish questions before
the war in Iraq, including asking him about his faith and should
we the American people pray now as he recommended at 9/11?

I SMELL ANOTHER PAID FAKE JOURNALIST GUYS!!!
Can someone get on this while I go earn a living to pay my
outrageously exhorbitant health insurance premiums?!

Goes by April Ryan and married name April Ryan James-- but I
feel it's a fake name.

ms in la (sleuthing)
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 04:36 PM
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36. She interviewed Clinton...so.....
Edited on Fri Feb-25-05 04:37 PM by tjdee
And it's at the Clinton Foundation site.
Here it is...
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/legacy/110100-president-interviewed-by-april-ryan-american-urban-radio.htm

She was also at the State Dinner for the president of Kenya in 2003... her company seems legit.

There may be others, but seems this one's okay....in fact, here are the rest of the WH correspondents. Keep sleuthing!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/administration/whbriefing/correspondents.html

In fact, that list makes Gannon situation look even more fucked up.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:15 AM
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43. They gave my Religion a Bad Name!
They make me wanna :puke: But of course, they're so much more Christan-like then anyone else on this planet. Self-righteous, selfish, arrogant, narrow-minded dim-witted, nit-wit idiots!
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:17 AM
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44. Here is the link to sign Dobson's guest book
https://www.family.org/welcome/newgb.cfm?refcd=OL05XFGB&tvar=n

I can't find where the guest book IS to read it and you have to sign up for the news letter but you can cancel it after they send you the first
copy, (if they do)

Ask them why they are so silent?
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