U.S. says it would fire missiles over Canada ( like it or not )

[donsu]

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2005/02/25/941692-sun.html


The United States will decide when to fire missiles over Canadian airspace whether Canada likes it or not, says America's ambassador. The blunt warning from Paul Cellucci came minutes after Prime Minister Paul Martin announced yesterday that he will not sign on to the controversial U.S. missile defence program

We will deploy. We will defend North America," Cellucci said.

"We simply cannot understand why Canada would, in effect, give up its sovereignty -- its seat at the table -- to decide what to do about a missile that might be coming toward Canada."

The warning was no slip of the tongue -- Cellucci repeated several times that Canada's decision had handed over some of its sovereignty to the U.S.
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wow, do Canadians know we took some of their sovereignty? like it or not.

yes sir - the bushgang business model:

bully, bribe, blackmail, threaten, murder

and the bushgang motto is - lie, cheat, steal

[fooj]

1. WTF? "Give up its soveriegnty" These madmen must be stopped!

[detroitguy]

16. Canada should kick him out

They do not have to put up with talk like that. Paul Cellucci should be asked to leave Canada and never return.

[HockeyMom]

2. Shoot them down

As a SOVEREIGN nation, doesn't Canada have every right to shoot them down on the basis of a foreign country invading their airspace without their permission? Hello, they are not IRAQ.

Damn, the ARROGANCE of this administration. When will the rest of the WORLD, declare the USA the TERRORISTS?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

7. When will the rest of the WORLD, declare the USA the TERRORISTS?

They already are and have been quietly partitioning us out of world affairs. One must keep in mind however that we do have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world so they are trying not to gouge us into a reactive mode.

[borg5575]

13. That sounds like a good idea. But...

Canada would not have the wherewithal to do that. If the USA decides to shoot missiles over Canada there is not a damn thing that the Canadians can do to stop it.

[Igel]

20. But wouldn't that mean Canada would have to develop

a missile defense shield?

[applegrove]

3. I like the part where Pettigrew says: "would it have been otherwise".

The American plan would not have changed one iota if we sat at the table. Now we can sue if they land a missile on our people and that will speak to the military industrial complex (Eisenhour term) more so that a 'seat' at a 'table'.

[TahitiNut]

4. "Might Makes Right"

Whatever the Bushwhackers say is law - who needs treaties or legislatures? :puke:

[FreedomAngel82]

27. Or the risk

of another attack. *sigh* Bush is putting all of us in danger. :cry:

[cornermouse]

5. That's right.

If they don't agree with us, we'll just do it anyway. We're going to take their sovereignty away for their own good.

I think this qualifies as a threat toward Canada.

[IndianaGreen]

6. I think is time for Canada to deploy an ABM system to shoot down American

missiles.

What's next for the Bush crowd, an Anschluss with Canada?

[Ian David]

8. Bush also proposed a uniform set of laws throughout all of North America

Somewhere on DU there was a post on this.

It looks like Bush was preparing to annex Canada.

He wants them to have the same trade, border security, and marriage laws that we do, if I remember correctly.

[IndianaGreen]

10. Yeah, I remember that post that you alluded to

It was really scary to think that our Northern escape route would be shut in our faces by the American SS and the absorbed former Canadian provinces.

[achtung_circus]

18. This thread

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1265283>

[buzzard]

25. Here is the link to annexation of Canada.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411C.html

[FreedomAngel82]

28. So Bush does think

he's King of the World. PNAC is in full force baby. Hold on to your :tinfoilhat:

[Vickers]

9. If I was Canada, I would start enriching uranium right now.

In fact, if I was ANY country right now, I would be arming myself.

[Ian David]

11. Remember this map? United States of Canada and Jesusland?

I imagine that if Bush really started aggression against Canada that some of the blue states might actually secede to join Canada.

[Nimrod]

15. If we wind up at serious odds with Canada

I am SO defecting. Fortunately I'm pretty close to the border, so I could probably sneak across.

(I realize that this is all just bluster on the US's part and war with Canada is unlikely - but still).

[earth mom]

12. For many reasons I find this beyond alarming and frightening! nt

[Spazito]

14. Cellucci is a disgusting piece of crap and what he says is crap

Canada is an integral part of NORAD and has been for years. We will know and might even have a Canadian in charge at the time when a heads up would be given to the US re any incoming missiles so this 'loss of sovereignty' is BS. Cellucci is just angry because we didn't do what he and his bush cabal wanted and that was to roll over and give them the political cover on MDS as Blair did re the invasion of Iraq.

MDS is simply a boondoggle for the defense corporations anyway, it doesn't work, won't work and all this 'outrage' from bush's mouthpieces means squat, imo.

[Telly Savalas]

17. At what? Invaders from outerspace?

[d_b]

26. Yea, no shit.

[quaoar]

19. If we had to fire a missile over Canada

You can believe that the violation of Canadian airspace would be the least of anyone's problems.

We'd be lucky if any of us were still around the next day to argue about it.

It has always been understood that in a nuclear exchange with Russia, missiles would be flying over Canada in both directions.

The outrage in this case is the American ambassador shoving it in the face of Canada. He should have just kept his mouth shut.

[Igel]

21. The first sane post in this thread so far.

As though anybody believes if we had a missile headed towards New York we'd contact the Canadians and ask if we may please fire an ABM to knock it down.

And, in the event of a "no, you may not" answer from Ottawa promptly say, "OK, thank you. Could you please send a Canadian Red Cross aid team or two? We'll likely be needing them in a few seconds."

The only real question is if Ottawa would require that we clean up the radioactive material, or go after the exporting nation.

[charlie]

29. All that would mean something

if we were talking about a proven weapons system and not corporate make-work. In twenty years of tests gamed to ensure success, there hasn't been a single demonstration of accuracy or reliability. Aside from the principle of national airspace being inviolate, Canada's probably worried about the US incinerating Montreal and Saskatoon. And they should be.

[Igel]

32. True, it presumes the launching of an ABM.

And while Canada may well be worried about the US incinerating Montreal (Toronto would be out of the question for obvious reasons), they'd have to make the announcement in a rather different context for us to infer it.

[TrustingDog]

22. yeah, the Tersts hate Canada for all our freedoms....

and medicare, not for the fact we don't go ravaging nations.

If there's a missile directed at us it will most likely be BooshUSA as a false flag operation.

I don't trust Martin at all, tho - it's all agreed NATO will go ahead with whatever the US wants. He's just spouting and posturing and pretending he's a Canadian. Fuck him.

[area51]

23. Typical.

Bush to Canada: "F U". :grr:

[gulfcoastliberal]

24. Maybe Canada will pre-emptively invade the US

Threats of WMDs controlled by a madman torturer and all.

[FreedomAngel82]

31. Maybe they'll do

like how Hitler was taken out. Bush is just as scary. :scared:

[Rainscents]

30. WTF??? This is insane!

[Spinoza]

33. I'm not sure I understand Canada's reasoning.

Canada, of course, is a member along with the U.S. of NORAD ( North American Aerospace Defense Command). There is a lot of bureaucratic gobbledygook, but essentially it is NORAD which decides when and where to fire missiles or not fire missiles. Obviously, whatever the abstract sovereignty issue of Canadian airspace may be, there was never a possibility that the U.S. is going to junk the multi-billion dollar NORAD system, simply because Canada, after 30+ years of participation, is opting out. (Geospatially, NORAD can only function on a continental basis.) The Canadian government must know this. Their decision will not in any way stop the U.S. from acting. It will simply ensure that Canada will not even know what is happening and will not have even the possibility of influencing any U.S. decision or action. That's an improvement? Canada may feel great about themselves morally, but effectively they are simply turning the whole ball of wax over to the U.S. Why?

[Spazito]

34. Canada did not give political cover to the bush cabal

re MDS. We strengthened our sovereignty by saying no. Canada, being a part of NORAD, we did not opt out of NORAD, in fact we just signed a new agreement, we will know if there is a missile incoming so why would they have to sign on to MDS to have a say, we already have one.

The bush cabal will act unilaterally whether Canada signed on or not, they have acted that way on everything they have done so far.

Don't buy into the rhetoric from Cellucci, he is full of crap as usual.