Condi to replace Cheney Next Year?

[Up2Late]

I know, this sounds crazy at first, but hear me out. The longer you think about it, the more sense it makes. I found this article on a Conservative-Right website, after following a Google Link of a site Bill Press claimed ran his column (they don't)

This is EXACTLY the type of scam that KKKarl and the other RW operatives would come up with to steal away the Democratic Party's claim to the "Black Vote." You just KNOW, that they would LOVE to spend ALL of 2008 and maybe even ALL of 2007 boasting and bragging about, not only having the FIRST Woman Vice-President, but the First "Black WOMAN" Vice-President! :grr:

Hell, she probably already IS the actual Vice-President, with Cheney the actual President/puppet master. This also gives the GOP the opportunity to "Test the waters" of running her as President in 2008, or, they could possibly be setting her up as Vice-President, then let * ALMOST get impeached, * resigns, and then they can then brag that the "First Black Female President" was a Republican.

Tell me they wouldn't use that line from day one, till 50 to 100 years from now. All without her ever having to face their racist Base. This also gives the Republican Congress a Cover Story for 2008, instead of having to spend ALL of the 2008 campaign explaining WHY they DIDN'T Impeach * over his Gannongate/Male Prostitute scandal:argh:

ELECTION 2008
Condi to replace Cheney next year?
Report: Vice president likely to step down 'due to his health'

Posted: February 19, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Vice President Dick Cheney likely will step down next year due to health reasons and be replaced by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, according to a report by geopolitical expert Jack Wheeler.

On his website, To the Point, Wheeler reports there's a "red-breasted rumor bird" flying around Capitol Hill that has whispered the same thing to most congressional committee chairmen.

"We all know that Dick Cheney has been the best vice president of modern times, :puke:perhaps in American history," one such chairman told Wheeler. "And we know that he absolutely will not run for president in 2008. Further, he has an unfortunate history of heart trouble. So let's just say none of us will be surprised if, sometime next year, he will step down from the vice presidency due to his health."
(more at link)
<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42938>

[serryjw]

1. We discussed this 2 weeks ago

I have no doubt this will happen. Bushit likes keeping his friends close and Chaney will stay on as an Executive advisor to Bushit. That will open the door to Condi running in 2008. Personally, I think it will be for VP not Prez

[Frances]

2. I think that Rice is being groomed for vice president

But what if the Dems nominate Obama for vice president?

I think Obama would get 90% of the black vote. But Rice might attract some of those stupid undecideds who don't pay attention to what is really happening and would assume that the Republicans are not anti-women and anti-ordinary people.

[serryjw]

5. It would be a hard sell on Obama

he will be another 1 term Senator. A Black VP with little experience against Rice a Roni with 8 years of foreign policy experience.....and yes, the kool-aid drinkers will do what ever the Minister says to do.

[Frances]

15. Didn't Kerry get 90% of the black vote?

Has any other group been as loyal to the Dems?

[serryjw]

23. .....and what % stated home?

Bushit doubled his black vote over 2000

[Frances]

24. What were the actual figures in 2000 and 2004?

[serryjw]

26. A 2 different versions

quote....
Eleven percent of black voters cast ballots for him in the 2004 election — up from about 7 percent in 2000.
end quote....
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/25/politics/main669089.shtml

quote....
President Bush got 11 percent of the black vote, up three points from the 8 percent he got in 2000.But there's more to the story. Black voter turnout surged by 25 percent. So President Bush got 11 percent of a black voter turnout of 13.2 million voters compared to 8 percent that he got of about 10.5 million black voters that turned out in 2000. The net number of blacks supporting George Bush doubled in 2004
end quote......
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/sparker/2004/sp_1108.shtml

yes, I know those numbers above are bias, but he did do well in a year he shouldn't have.

[Frances]

29. Thanks for the figures

But that means that even with Colin Powell and Condy Rice in such visible positions, 89% of the African American vote went to John Kerry. Did any other group come close to that percentage?

And if African Americans have to choose between Obama and Condy, what do you think the outcome would be?

Yes, I know Condy has much more experience, but she is the least likeable person I can imagine. Plus Obama will have as much experience as W had.

[serryjw]

30. 89% of whom voted!

BOTH at best will be the VP choice and have very little influence on the outcome......it's pandering on both sides..If Obama continues with his moderate voting record he won't have me either.

I voted for kerry to save SCOTUS. It won't be an issue in 2008 at which point Kucinich gets my vote on a write in.

[Frances]

31. When it comes time for the general election, I am very sure

that Dennis will want you to support the Democratic nominee. Tilting at windmills is fine except when the stakes are so high.

[serryjw]

32. If he runs

he has my voted whether he wants it or not. At the convention he released his delegates to vote for Kerry, in CO they still voted for him. I will no longer vote for the democratic nominee until they stop taking money from Corporate America that is killing our people....sorry

[Frances]

33. Well, that's your right

at least at the present time.

I remember when African Americans were killed just because they wanted to register to vote. Now those same people who supported the killers are running our country.

I won't throw away my vote.

[Up2Late]

9. I personally think a better ticket would be...

Hillery Clinton - President and Rep. John Lewis (GA-D) as Vice President.

I say Rep. Lewis, not just because I'm from Georgia and am a major fan of his, but also because the newly "Diebold Selected" Georgia State House and Senate, just passed a NEW 2005 Congressional Redistricting Map (with the help of Texas Repuke Tom Delay), and I think Rep, Lewis is targeted for elimination on that map.

Here's a link to my thread on that.
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1624889&mesg_id=1624889>

[Up2Late]

6. Sorry, I don't make it a habit to troll RW sites, this is the first ...

...I've heard of this idea being kicked around. I spend a good deal of time here, and until I when looking for them, I didn't see this being discussed.

It really does make sense, if you look at it in a twisted, KKKarl Rovian way. :freak:

[FreedomAngel82]

21. It also makes sense

as to why they promoted her and didn't just keep her at her old position and put someone else as SOS.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. I wouldn't be surprised either

Plus, as I think I've mentioned on here, I believe in two/three years Halliburton will have a nice new home in Iraq. Malloy on his show once was reading their constiution and said that corporations can't be sued. How nice for Halliburton eh? This does make sense. That way she can still be someone's vice president choice or president herself if Bush is impeached and she will probably then not run in 2008 and have this whole "nice" thing going on. I wouldn't put this out of the reality box though. It could very well happen. If she is placed as president though couldn't she also be impeached for all her role in everything as well if we take back the congress and house in 2006?

[Up2Late]

34. "...couldn't she also be impeached...?" Yes, but...

...do you really think the Demo-wimps we have in the Congress, don't you think they would cave almost immediately, when every RW Radio and T.V. programs started screaming and hollering

"...the Democrats are just trying to vilify Condi, because they Hate Black people...!" or "...because she's a Black woman..." :crazy:

Unless we can out the MSM for the RW whores that they are, the Demo-wimps in Congress will never hold together under that kind of pressure.

[TwentyFive]

3. I think the story is false. A planted story by Karl Rove!

Republican voters would never accept Rice as VP.

But, the story does make sense when you consider Karl Rove made it up. It's one of those rumors he is so famous for. People who want it to happen would believe it, and people who hate the idea would dismiss it....while swing voters see it as one more example that the republicans are not sexist/racists.

[Up2Late]

7. I REALLY think, If they are going to do this, it would happen post 2006...

...midterm election. That would give the racists 2 years to get used to the idea, or totally reject it. But if they began raising Hell about it, that would be just as damaging for the GOP's "Image," so I bet the would either silence the dissenters, or just use the MSM to ignore them.:hippie:

[applegrove]

4. Rice said she was for Affirmative Action. Some press person needs to ask

her outright if she would support entrenching Affirmative Action programs all over the U.S.

Because if this WH hands her the job of VP and then doesn't do something to entrench AA in the next few years... well that would be "one set of rules for them, one set of rules for everyone else". Demonstrating that Affirmative Action is alive & well as a Republican Party Policy - it just has to do with given privileges to those at the top while taking them away from people at the bottom who need it!

[autorank]

8. Bring her on! Oh, Ms. Perjury, how about the 52 FAA OBL warnings?

you said you never knew about, you lying neocon nihilist. Well, Durbin will ask the question in an appropriate fashion but, if this fantasy becomes fact, she will be charged by our NEW DEMOCRATIC LEADERS with perjury at her confirmation hearing...count on it.

Give em Hell Harry & Dick

[madrchsod]

10. no- but if they did

there would be alot more right wingers joining the ultra right white power/nazi groups. they hate bush and something like this would push them over the edge..alot of really bad things could happen...

[NEOBuckeye]

11. You forget one thing: Black People aren't THAT stupid

Does the term "Aunt Jemimah" mean anything to you?

Don't get it? Try "House Negro".

I think most African Americans see Condi for what she is and what she isn't. Integrity is the key word here. To get in bed with this bunch of charlatans, she made the decision to "give it up" long ago.

She's as much a whore as Rove or whomever else might have cooked up this scheme is stupid. When it comes to politics, African Americans as a whole certainly aren't.

[Up2Late]

14. I hope your right, but...

...how many of us here, do you figure, thought that at least 45% of "likely Voters" in America, would be stupid enough to vote for * again, for another four years of this crap?

[noiretextatique]

16. african-americans soundly rejected bush, inc...again

@90%. republicans can fool themselves if they like, but even condi in as VP will not put a significant dent in that number. if only other americans had as much sense.

[NEOBuckeye]

17. The percentage of Black votes for * remained virtually equal in '00 & '04

I don't have the stats, but it was something around 9% nationally in 2000, and slightly less than that in 2004. That's even with intentionally defective Diebold machines in widespread use, and Jeb "Jim Crow" Bush keeping Black People off the voting rolls in Florida.

Who do you figure among African Americans voted for Bush? Armstrong Williams? Alan Keyes? Kenneth Blackwell? There have been, and always will be the "House Negros" who gleefully compromise their integrity to serve The Man, for whatever short term benefits it brings. But even a few of them from time to time -- Colin Powell, for instance -- occasionally wake up enough to realize what their voluntary servitude has cost them, though the damage has been done.

The rest of us haven't quite lost touch with the perpetual, collective cynicism that 400 years of slavery, discrimination and abuse by self-serving snakes like George H. W. Bush has bestowed upon us. We know of vermin like Bush, Rove and Cheney well before even before we can see them. No ruse of parading around minorities like Rice, Powell or Gonzales is going to convince us otherwise.

I really can't tell you why so many White Americans still fall for this Bush bullshit. But I suspect that maybe it has something to do with their inability to 'fess up and realize that they've been duped by elitist con men like the Bushes, Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, who have co-opeted all of those mythical American ideals to sell them a fake masterpiece.

They bought into the hype that America has always been so great and wonderful. And that makes them vulnerable to the deception of charlatans.

[noiretextatique]

18. and they think bush, inc serves their interests

and they believe bush, inc won't harm them. who cares if they harm arabs, gays, blacks, women, etc? as long as it's not them.

[Imagevision]

12. Rice to replace Cheney? Condi will make Hillary look like Mothere Theresa

Rice starts talking she frefuses to bring serious issues into the forefront as was witnessed when Boxer called her a liar!

She failed as NSA miserably with 9-11 -- "we would have moved heaven and earth if we knew? -- that doesn't fly ...Hilary is already putting Rice together! It's like Rice debating Bill Clinton...

Rice? as bad as Bush but sounds so eloquent when she speaks...after Bush? --The easiest act to follow except that they had their 9-11.

[rjx]

13. Heres what I think..

Rice gets promoted with the thoughts that bid DICK's health will prevent him from finishing the nest 4 years. The next best qualified person to take the VP position would be Rice. And then Rice would run for President with all this experience under her dress, National Security Adviser, Secretary Of State, and Vice President.

We will definitely still be at war in 3 years and Rice will be able to play on the fact that she had a big role with the last 8 years of war, so you don't want to elect a Dem or another Rep that doesn't have the experience that she does.The way I see it is, that she will win no doubt, unless the brainwashed Bush supporters wake up. The fact that she is a woman, African American, and will continue on Bush's path will make her the honey for all these brainwashed flies to stick on.

[Edgewater_Joe]

19. If Rove Is Involved, We Then Worry

The scenario described is more than plausible, and it makes a lot of sense for Bush to try and pave his successor -- although it assumes (1) that Cheney, who let's remember DOES have lots of power, would want to step down at all; (2) that Jesus' Brother Jeb! doesn't really want to run (and I think he does); and (3) Condi doesn't f-up anything (another ter-rist attack, North Korea) to imperil her. Plus, this is the only scenario under which she could plausibly run for President, since presumably she'd have to quit as SoS in 2 years to run.

As for the end result ... let's remember, if she runs there's lots to run against her, and I am more and more convinced that Rove - a.k.a. the man behind the curtain - is the real power and the guy single-handedly keeping the media in Bush's lap. If he is behind Condi, then she is extremely formidable simply because he'll keep playing the media and making the media play the tunes he wants.

But if he were ever to leave, or for some reason wasn't connected with the '08 election, THEN things could get interesting. After all, Condi has lots to answer for on 9/11, and a Condi/Hillary battle would essentially be a battle over who caused 9/11, since the Repunks blame Bill while the Dems know the truth. With Rove, Condi will win that debate - but without? I don't know ...

Then again, any discussion about '08 is beyond silly right now.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. On Rove

I personally think he'll never be out of the picture completley. He's the king of republicans and their strategies so I think he'll probably say he's going to stop doing politics but someone will come to him wanting him to do what he's done for Bush.

[Rose Siding]

25. Bill Press said World Net Daily ran his column?

When? What was he thinking?

[Up2Late]

35. It's on his website, if you click columns, look to the right side...

...it says, "Bill's columns appear weekly on World Net Daily and Tribune Media Services" <http://www.billpress.com/columns.html>

So when I googled it, I found this site with "mildly wacky" :crazy:articles,

[ElectroPrincess]

27. If Cheney can keep the ole' ticker happy ... WHEN PIGS FLY!

No way they would let an African American much less a Woman be VP. Remember folks we are talking about racist right wing radical nut cases. They will NOT let that happen. Negroponte will be VP before Rice OR Gonzales - Bank on it! <eg>

I grew up with, am related to, some of the most fanatical right wingers ... I know how they think. This will NOT happen.

[Cappadonna]

28. Not to be cynical but Rice can't be that stupid

Rice must really be hitting the wingnut KoolAid hard if she thinks that the party of blue bloods, nazis and dixiecrats is going let a little black girl from the south run the nation, even if its a figure head position. The second she gives an inaguaration, she gets a bullet from some whack job doing "God's work". They still have a problem with rap music and interracial dating in the south.

And that's if she could convince the thousands of minorities and women she would have spent 8+ years (not including her time with Chevron) selling out to vote her.


Colin is way more qualified than Rice, and he's not stepping within 10 feet of that job. Condi should take a hint.