Biden says Hillary will be 2008 nominee

[quaoar]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57571-2005Feb27.html

Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Joseph Biden says any Democrat who wants to run for president in 2008 should keep in mind these three words: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"I think she'd be incredibly difficult to beat," the Delaware Democrat said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." "I think she is the most difficult obstacle for anyone being the nominee."

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"She is likely to be the nominee," Biden said. "She'd be the toughest person and I think Hillary Clinton is able to be elected president of the United States."

Biden said he is thinking about running again, 20 years after his first failed bid for the White House because "there's a lot at stake."

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Wesley Clark. I will have great difficulty voting for her.

She's a sellout and an opportunist.

[Sympleesmshn]

8. I agree

she dosen't have the "feel" to be President. Clark in '08!!

[TrustingDog]

10. give me a short list of the non-sellouts.

You know, the ones that can't get to where the Hillaries and Bidens are. The disappeared.

They all make me sick.

[nickshepDEM]

22. Majority of Clarks support came from the Clintons.

How does he run without them behind him?

[Progressive420]

25. That was always an unsubstantiated rumor

Clark did not have the support of the Clintons!

[nickshepDEM]

31. None? Zero?

[truebrit71]

47. That is right-wing propoganda....

...and has been debunked many, many times.....

You need to check your facts....

Now, as to the topic of the thread, Sen Biden is 100% wrong. There is no way in hell Hillary will be the nominee in '08. None. Zip. Nada.

[nickshepDEM]

49. You mean to tell me...

That the Clintons did not support Clark for president?

[pauliedee]

30. Kerry a better choice and a GREAT leader

Kerry a better choice and a GREAT leader. He'll not sellout like hillary who is corrupt repug in disguise.

[rockymountaindem]

46. PM me

Click the little yellow piece of paper icon next to my name.

[Clark2008]

61. I'm not sure I could vote for Hillary, but I'm damn sure I couldn't get

any undecideds to vote for her.
If it's Wes, I have about 50 Republicans who settled for Bush who would vote for Wes. They hate the way the Republican Party is going (all neo-conny and religious wingnut shit), but would only vote for a handful of Dems and Wes is at the top of their list.
What's funny about that, of course, is that Wes is more liberal than most. But the trick is, he's not PERCEIVED as liberal (shhhhh!) in the red states.

Edited for clarity.

[LiberalVoice]

2. How about we just do away with elections?

Since we apparently dont plan on trying to win.

[WI_DEM]

3. I agree with him, she is the front runner for the nomination

the question is can she win the general election?

[w13rd0]

19. In 2002, Lieberman was the front runner...

...and in 2003, it was Dean. I'm taking a wait and see approach...

[Dave Sund]

43. Can We Stop This Myth?

Did anyone believe that Lieberman was the frontrunner? Standing in the polls and media perception are two different things. As I recall, Kerry was taken more seriously as a candidate than Lieberman in 2002. Lieberman didn't have the support of the left, and everyone knew it. The "frontrunner" isn't the person who's leading the polls so much as the person everyone thinks is going to win.

[Robeson]

50. No kiddin'....

...its time to stop the Lieberman myth. No way was he going to be the nominee of this party. I know of no one on the left who would have raised a finger to help the Lieberpublicans.

[Sanity Claws]

4. It's difficult to predict so far ahead

If the American people finally catch on what a mess Iraq is and that the Senate should not have authorized Bush to go to war with such shoddy intelligence, then she won't be the nominee. She voted for Iraq, along with several other sell outs.

[pauliedee]

32. Kerry still fighting hard for us

I like Kerry in 2008 to finish what was started in 2004.

[Pooka Fey]

5. Even if our votes WERE counted, she would lose. And I won't support her.

What the guy above me said - ditto. Sellout. Opportunist. If the democrat leadership picks her, why even bother going through the motions of having an election.

[pauliedee]

33. Kerry still strong

I agree that Hillary is a sellout. She declared that the Iraq war was great the other day....made me sick to my stomach. Kerry would NEVER sell out! I got his back in 2008.

[Clark2008]

62. Honey, Kerry voted for the IWR. Give it rest.

Kerry's not all that popular.
In fact, he was just the "he's not Bush" vote and, election fraud aside, he STILL didn't win.

[aquart]

6. I wouldn't take Biden's word for anything.

Not weather, time of day.....nothing.

[Clarkie1]

7. Well I guess if over then if Biden says she's the one.

Perhaps we should just cancel the primary and go right to the convention and coronate Queen Hillary so we have more party unity.:eyes:

Nothing against the Clintons, but I think the political royal families in this country are getting a little bit of hand.

"My daddy was president"

"My hubby was president"

:puke:

[pauliedee]

34. Hillary is a repuglican sellout

I will not back her

[katinmn]

9. She's become a lightening rod for the Republicans

they will focus all their attention on her.

That gives us time to evaluate who we really want to support.

We've got some time.

I want someone who is idealistic and won't compromise.

A few months ago I would be overjoyed at this. Now I'm not at all sure. There are a lot of others who I might support before Hillary now.

[Jacobin]

11. Joe Biden Loves To Hear Himself Talk

I'm sick of his big yap and wish he would shut up and let the process proceed. I'm ready for some grass roots discussions and decisions. The 'big deal' dems obviously have grits for brains, judging from where we are right now.

[Blue_In_AK]

12. What's up with people trying to cram Hillary down our throats?

I personally don't care for her very much. I think she's a sell-out and a political opportunist. (But then, what do I know?)

on ed. ... Jesus, Progressive, I didn't even read your post and we used the exact same words!

[Skink]

13. Well if Rice becomes vp later this term....

I'd be into a season of Girl fights. Meow.:wow:

[Blue_In_AK]

16. You got THAT right....... n/t

[HughBeaumont]

45. I don't get it either.

Name a red state she'd turn. Thought so. I can name at least two BLUE states she'd be in danger of turning. DAMN people, STOP letting Rove's MSM choose your candidates.

[ElectroPrincess]

14. Yeah, IMO Biden doesn't have a clue ...

Biden sometimes comes across as enlightened ... his bravado motivates the spirit. Only for us to be later disillusioned by him "kissing a**" in some other benign talking point LIKE = Hillary running in 2008?!?

Damn! Now I have to question everything I thought positive about him.

Hey, DLC democrats? It is NOT going to happen. Let Hillary hold the Senate for New York State but PLEASE wake up from the vapors? Idiots! Double damn!!!

Joe Biden? What a Maroon!

[independentchristian]

15. Screw the election

The Democratic party will be no more after a stupid Hillary coronation.

[Gabi Hayes]

17. there's only ONE thing you need to know about Biden, and that's

Clarence Thomas

more than the utter scum like Gary Bauer, Boyden Gray, Ken Duberstein,etal, who "prepared" thag moron for his pathetic testimony, and built a campaign of UTTER slander against Anita Hill, that frickin BIDEN is the one who allowed it to happen, cause the DEMS had the majority, and he ALLOWED them to bully through on countless procedural issues, including by far the most important one, occurring on the final night of the (always for dems) forshortened hearings on Thomas. they always do that when they're being investigated. contrast it to what they did to Clinton and various of his appointees and former associates, for whom all the time in the world was available

point is, Biden's total collapse into venality was on that fateful night, when several women were finally convinced to testify that Long Dong had harrassed them, too, which would have torpedoed his nomination and SHOULD have resulted in perjury charges.

instead Biden, as heas of the Sen. Judiciary committee let several lying turds (John Doggett?) talk and talk and talk the clock out, so that NOT ONE woman was allowed to testify as to CT's egregious behavior.

Who knows if Bush would have appointed somebody who'd have turned into another Souter.

Maybe his halfwit son would not have been selected by a more moderate court. If nothing less that cretin has at least another 15 years ahead of him.....maybe more.

Biden.....gag me with a four thousand dollar hairplug

One last; just about my favorite Washington story, from Strange Justice (CT's nomination story...fantastic read, and the book upon which David Brock based his highly dishonest the Real Anita Hill):

He used to go around at Yale and walk up to his "friends" and say "Suck my ass with a straw" !!!!!

[Gabi Hayes]

18. correction on that story....I got it wrong

Another classmate (Gordon Davis) is quoted by Mayer and Abramson (p. 57): "He'd say stuff I can't possibly repeat, stuff that would turn your ears red, things having to do with a person's anatomy. He'd say things like 'Suck out of my ass with a straw' all the time, but this was different--it was a lot worse, and I don't feel comfortable talking about it."
http://www.fair.org/extra/9503/real-david-brock.html

from an article about what a hatchet man Brock was ten years ago; remember how much you HATED that guy back then

sure like to be his shrink; I'd be retired on an island his fees brought me

[zulchzulu]

20. I guess we should start working on winning the 2012 race then

If Hillary is the nominee, we will lose by 10% or more...against McCain, Frist, hell even The Jebster...

[sendero]

21. Biden...

... says stupid shit half the time he opens his mouth.

I don't want Hillary, and neither do any of the new grass roots Dems who are tired of losing and would like to deflate the tires of the Repug juggernaut.

Hillary - I don't think so.

[NightOwwl]

23. Hillary is the consummate politician...

In other words, she's a phony, self-serving opportunist. Compared to her, wishy-washy Kerry is a dream candidate.

[pauliedee]

Kerry a better choice

I agree Kerry will still fight for democratic prinsipals. Hillary will sellout to the repugs. I'll back Kerry in 2008.

[pauliedee]

36. Kerry a better choice

I agree Kerry will still fight for democratic prinsipals. Hillary will sellout to the repugs. I'll back Kerry in 2008.

[independentchristian]

24. So, Biden is saying he will not run then?

If Hillary "will be" the nominee, then him running would apparently just be a "stunt" to make it look like a real nomination process, although he and the others already know that Hillary will be coronated.

If his statement is "true," then him or anyone else running is just to string primary voters along.

[BrewerJohn]

26. What I don't get is this fixation on the 2008 nominee

Don't these politicians get the picture yet after last November? Two big jobs have to be done before having any hope of winning: fix the election process, and fix the media. Having a clearly crafted and clearly expressed message that actually opposes the RW takeover of America wouldn't hurt, either. But no, we'll just look for the magic candidate, and that will take care of everything.

They're setting themselves up to lose once again.

[MAlibdem]

27. I don't think it's a bad idea.

She is fairly moderate, but the idea is getting power as a party, not only as the Presidential candidate. Assuming she can get over whatever false stigma the Right is going to bring up from their trashing of the Presidency in the 90s, she'll be suitable. We don't need to waste $200 million as a party during the primaries. Might as well just save it for presidential campaign and for congressional and senate candidates.

Then again, I think my senior winter could be a lot more interesting if there was a real primary battle up here in new hampshire.

[independentchristian]

28. She has zero chance of winning

This "Mitt Romney" guy is slick and he'd eat a polarizing figure like Hillary for lunch.

[MAlibdem]

59. hahaha

Mitt Romney is nothing. He won because the dems put up a bad candidate in MA.

[pauliedee]

37. Kerry still fighting hard for us

New Hampshire voters are smart...They'll see through the Hillary pandering to the right wing. They know Kerry will fight the repugs tooth and nail rather than kiss their ass like Hillary. The repugs fear John Kerry and do not want to face him again. We must back Kerry in the primaries.

[ZootSuitGringo]

48. Is your record skipping, or is it just me?

We understand that you like kerry, but repeating it 20 times in a thread does not make me like Kerry any the more for it. How about you give this proclamation a rest. I think we got your message that YOU like John Kerry. Enough already!

[Clark2008]

63. I'm wondering if Kerry hasn't his own Gannon being paid to

drop Kerry's name.
Maybe he's getting paid for every Kerry mention - $1 a mention. ;)

You never know! :shrug:

[googly]

29. I said Hillary will be the nominee long before Biden, right here on DU

So what took Biden so long to figure it out? LOL
The more Hillary talks about being a centrist,
the more I like her candidacy. She can run circles
around a neophyte politician like Wes Clark, comes
across as a much more seasoned politician than light
weight in experience Edwards, much more poised than a
over weight and angry sounding Gore, looks much more
alive than prostate cancer racked body of Kerry.

And she is a WOMAN! About time we had a woman prez.
2008..............YEAR OF THE WOMAN!

[pauliedee]

38. Kerry is strongest democrat

Kerry twice as strong as the weak and fat Hillary. She cannot handle the rigors of a grueling two year campaign. She'll have more fainting spells at the podium.

Kerry's got the grit and tenacity that the repugs fear. They do not want to face him again. They barely sqeaked by with a wartime incumbent. This time they'll lose if they face him again.

[googly]

39. Main problem with Kerry is he is NOT likeable, does not connect

with TV audiences, IOW lacks that hard to define ingredient
called CHARISMA. Hillary has it by the tons.

[Donna Zen]

40. I'm a woman ain't I?

In addition to that, I don't bash Democrats--even male ones.

True, I don't like politicians as a rule, and I especially have taken a dislike to Biden after listening to him for a long time. As a foreign policy expert, he was just slightly off about the war...thought it was the right thing to do. Oh yes, he did. But I disagree with people based on ideas and policy.

Woman or not, I disagree with Hillary Clinton when she votes for bills that hurt woman the most but favor the bankers. I disagree with her hawkish stand on the war, a war that is the worst foreign policy decision that this country has ever made. And I disagree with her running for president.

Nevertheless, I am apt to agree with Biden, that she will win the nomination. She will suck out all the air, all the money, all the union support of any primary campaign. She will not carry a single state that Kerry did not carry, with the exception on NM if she runs with Richardson. In exchange she will lose NH. I have not met one Democrat who wants to vote for Hillary although they will, but moreover, I have not talked to any republicans who voted for Kerry because they hate bush, who will ever, ever vote for Hillary.

I don't hate her, nor will I call her names. She is who she is. She sorta kinda supports Democratic ideals, but that finger she has in the wind is ominous. But most of all, her team thinks there is a slim, very slim chance that she can win. I'm betting no. So carry on Democratic party with all your little cliques and games.

[googly]

41. You make many good points but IMO Hillary has the best chance

to win in 2008 amongst all democrats.

[Donna Zen]

57. The best chance with whom?

Democrats? Yes, Democrats will vote for Hillary. Will my republican-Kerry voting sister? Will the janitors who I worked on until they would vote for Kerry? Will the America that did not vote for Kerry?

The answer is no. no .no

Why? I have no clue, I also have nothing to tell them in her favor. What? She's not a registered republican is not a good enough reason. At least with Kerry I could honestly plead that he was wonderful concerning alternative energy development. I don't lie to myself and I won't lie to convince people that Hillary has their best interests at heart. She has her best interests at heart.

The Democratic party is telling you that Hillary has the best chance because that is who the insiders want_and thus that is what you WILL believe. But I know how to read a map, and I know how to count. Truthfully, Democratic woman that I know groan when her name comes up.

Good luck.

[googly]

64. You know and I know, Donna Zen, Hillary has the best poll numbers

amongst democrats. And that is not just insiders, that is
in a poll of all democrats. And if Hillary's rhetoric keeps
turing center to right of center, she is sure to attract a
lot of suburban white women votes especially if the republicans
nominate a male candidate.

[Robeson]

51. Nicely put...

...I agree.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

35. Why is anyone talking about 2008 anyway?

It's far more urgent to get people in line for Senate and Congressional races in 2006.

Besides, I've been underwhelmed by Hillary in the past couple of years.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. Joe has a long record of saying really dumb things.

Maybe he's priming himself for a VP slot. Or, he's just looking for more face time on CNN.

[Padraig18]

44. Your prediction and 75 cents will buy a cup of coffee, Joe.

You dont know any more than anyone else does, at this juncture.

:eyes:

[Generator]

52. If she gets the nomination in 2008

I swear to CHRIST I am moving to Canada. Or Europe or any country with a BRAIN. If Bush is not brought down by then and anybody with the name Bush, Rice, or any of is administration's ilk is running-and haven't been disgraced like they deserve-I'm also getting the feck out of here. Even my very non hysterical rational husband agrees.

The dumb ass Dems and the Republicans can all live here as one big happy family. I've had enough!

How fecking stupid do you have to be? A WOMAN? The rednecks wouldn't vote for her on that basis alone. But she's a disliked woman tied to a former president. People foam at the mouth at her NAME.

And you know what??? I don't want PRESIDENTS related to former Presidents.

And why is Biden saying this? Because apparently he knows she is planning to give it her all. Instead of doing her fucking job today and fighting Bush with everything she has-ha ha-she's only worried about her own ambitions.

Anybody but Hillary 2008. That's my bumpersticker.

[SpaceBuddy008]

53. enough of insidious 08 threads

is this a politactic

to 'cement' the unknowable developements of the future

to 'cement' the so-called fact that we have to be hostage to bush '4'...4more years?

one should not assume he can last or be put up with '4' 4more months

IF WE DO NOT GET HAND COUNTING, (SHUT UP WHO CARES HOW LONG IT TAKES
hell with OldMedia and the unnecessary artificial deadlines)

and citizen verified paper ballots

if we do not achieve this

WE NEED TO HAVA PEOPLE'S rEFERENDUM TO CANCEL ANY ELECTIONS

beCUZ they do not meet WorldWide standards and are

hence,....INvalid



face the Muse--ic

has any...body here...
SEEN MY OLE' FRIEND BOBBY?

can you tell me ,,,where...he's ..gone???

[Dave Sund]

54. The Right Hated Bill, Too

But look at what happened. They ran a ridiculously weak, boring, and dull candidate, women favored the Democrats considerably, and the end result was a landslide victory for Bill.

We hated Bush with a fire and passion, but picked a candidate who had little chance of connecting with moderates. As a result, we got trounced.

Maybe, perhaps, hatred isn't a great strategy? It tends to blind people to the real task of selecting a candidate that can win. It tends to make people select the polar opposite of everything they hate about the other guy. It's what caused us to select liberals in 1984, 1988, and 2004.

I'm not about to throw my support behind Hillary, but there are plenty of reasons why she could win.

[Leilani]

55. Well, let's just cancel the primaries

think of all the money saved...

& then we can march in lockstep to vote for Hillary because the media & the ruling class in Washington tell us it's over.

[Igotsunshine]

56. She's the right person, at the right time at the right place.

She would make an awesome president. That's not to say that others wouldn't be great also. I just happen to think she's the most able to win the general election.

[roguevalley]

58. I'd vote for Kerry before I'd vote for her and I will NEVER vote for

Kerry. She's too easy to defeat. Doesn't anyone get it how they did it with Kerry. Lie, lie, lie. That's all it would take with her, a Clinton for goodness sake. Never. Not in a million years does she get my vote. If I want to vote republican, I will vote for one. I want a dem and I'm going for Clark.

[ldf]

60. i apologize

i haven't read this thread, and i'm sure others have probably already stated it, but..

WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT BIDEN SAID???

they are already working fulltime to continue the dlc fiasco.

:puke:

[LibDemAlways]

65. Biden is an ass, but what

the hell difference does it make who we nominate? Until we do something about the voting machines, no Dem has a chance anyway.