New Hampshire Debate Thread #5

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[muchacho]

1. My gawd

I cannot belive I'm watching FOX!!!!

[adamrsilva]

2. FUCK O'REILLY

Just had to say that.

[slinkerwink]

3. I only watch Faux when the presidential debates are on.....

that's the only time I watch fucking faux news.

[w13rd0]

17. same here...

...and even then I put duct tape over their stupid ass logo.

Now asking Qs about environmental...

[arcane1]

this is only my 2nd visit to Fox...

the first was when AL Gore was on "HANNITY & colmes"...

I couldn't even surf past the channel after that :puke:


but at least the repubes are watching!!!! :evilgrin:

[RichV]

And it's not even The Simpsons!

Heh.

[minkyboodle]

6. I'm feeling all ooooogy

from it.
Scott

[MoonRiver]

7. Me too. But we're still getting to see OUR candidates debate!

That's the important part! :grouphug:

[Nite Owl]

8. Me either

I had to look up the channel.

[AP]

10. What's with all these car attack ads? Hyundai's attacking the Civic now!

[knight_of_the_star]

They've been trying to cut in on Honda as the new cheap foreign car

The Elantra is a good car though. I have one.

[AP]

50. Why can't they just tell us what their ideas are rather than attack Honda?

:)

[in_cog_ni_to]

I know! I feel like I

need a shower now. :(

[knight_of_the_star]

22. I know!

This just doesn't seem right!

[Guaranteed]

4. I have to say that this is going very, very well for Dean.

And people were saying he's finished.

Eat shit, Dennis Miller.

[robsul82]

12. Dean's rocking this one.

He's got the applause, he's got Letterman coming up...go Dean!

Later.

RJS

[MoonRiver]

20. Dean's keeping out of trouble.

That's good!!

[goodhue]

15. well that's a little strong but it ain't been bad which is good

[Guaranteed]

He kicked ass on his first three questions, did alright on the fourth

That's a 3.5 on a 4 point scale...prolly best score of all tonight, so far.

[Cuban_Liberal]

28. I agree.

I think dr. Dean just salvaged his campaign with tonight's performance.

[MoonRiver]

42. Personally, I think that is a stretch. But who knows.

[beaconess]

86. He IS doing a good job tonight.

[w13rd0]

5. Dontcha wanna just reach thru the screen and strangle the moderators...

...I think everyone has had a few bright spots tonight. Will be interesting to see the metrics following.

[knight_of_the_star]

9. They just swaped mods

Doesn't that mean they are at half?

[RichV]

33. Yep! Start Round 2...

.

[Terwilliger]

11. BEST DEBATE EVER

IMO

They're all about issues, and I actually like Jennings and start to understand Russert and Tweety sometimes.

[goodhue]

18. disagree

there have been better
the des moines register debate comes to mind

[Terwilliger]

26. its kinda negative...but its just a preview of things to come

[Skwmom]

64. About issues? Asking Clark about a Moore comment is

about issues?

[Terwilliger]

87. in this election, you're darned right

plus, if Dems cant talk about Bush's untrustworthiness, what the hell can they talk about?

[KittyWampus]

13. Why Do The Dems Allow Fox To do This?

why why why why why why why

[shoopnyc123]

14. I hated DK's answer to the so called "divide"

He could have done better

[madmax]

16. Is it me or is Clark getting less questions? n/t

[goodhue]

24. its you

seems pretty fair this time
supporters always perceive there candidates being shafted
of course with DK its often true but not tonight methinks

[goodhue]

32. error

[Jerseycoa]

25. It's definitely true nt

[robsul82]

27. Well, yeah, Edwards is eating up his time...

...with the endless follow-ups.

Later.

RJS

[laruemtt]

31. you're right - he is getting less

questions. and is that dean who keeps coughing? i hope he's ok.

[w13rd0]

34. it does seem...

...that the time given isn't in much proportion. They may try to correct that by directing a little more. We'll see...

Now to Lieberman. He seems to be getting quite a bit of time tonight. Clark, not so much.

[MoonRiver]

35. That's my impression.

FAUX (Pukes) fear Clark. Nuff said.

[MuseRider]

53. I think you are

right but I am not timing it. I would like to hear more of him since I do not know as much about him, he has not been as visible.

[Terwilliger]

19. Kerry: ban MTBE and go after manufacturers for it

is that Dean coughing?

[goodhue]

43. Kerry rocks the MTBE

why don't the rest speak about this?
its huge with those of us thinking about clean drinking water
plus it goes straight to the evil petroleum corporations
lets here more about MTBE, dammit

[AP]

21. RW frames the debate: wise energy policy means economy gets bad.

[adamrsilva]

30. Kerry doin' good

but don't say "I lead the fight."

[AP]

38. Only way a dem's going to answer that question is, we'll persue wise

energy policy, which therefore ruins the economy.

Should have called the mod more clearly on the presumption underlying the question.

[RichV]

23. I hate these anecdote answers

Al Gore ruined them for me, forever.

And whoever is coughing needs to knock that crap off.

[Kathleen04]

56. I hate those..

"I was eating lunch with Eleanor.." Nobody cares about Eleanor.

Whoever she is. ;)

[Renew Deal]

29. What's with the F'n coughing?

It's really bad.

[adamrsilva]

37. Guys,

the candidates aren't attacking each other! They must have learned Dean's and Gephardt's lesson.

[w13rd0]

57. Hehe, yeah...

...it does seem that way, had to love Lieberman's "nice try"...

Now environment to Kucinich. "As President lead this country on a new energy initiative"...whoa, I think DK just departed for the moon for a minute or two there...

[Jerseycoa]

39. Are they in love with Lieberman or what?

[robsul82]

62. Lieberman and Edwards both.

Follow-up after follow-up...

Later.

RJS

[DjTj]

82. They hammer Edwards and go easy on Lieberman...

...making Holy Joe look pretty good.

[laruemtt]

40. dean said he has a cold

at the beginning. maybe it's him.

[sillymikey]

54. deans sick

Deans got a cold.. Another reason why I feel I have something in common with him :)

[Cuban_Liberal]

55. Everybody and his brother has a cold.

It's January. :shrug:

[Terwilliger]

36. asking Lieberman about presc. drugs...actually slamming price-contrrols

OH SHIT!

[adamrsilva]

44. Lieberman is a hypocrite

he got the most in contribution from pharmacuticals to vote for the Medicare bill.

[Terwilliger]

47. it sounded like he advocated clamping down on going to Canada

[Kathleen04]

80. He said he would make it legal n/t

[waldenx]

Why are these threads like a chat room?

Instead of a running commentary, how about telling some of us what is actually being said?

[laruemtt]

because that would be

transcription and i do that all day as my job :smile:

[Terwilliger]

61. If I could type, I'd love to help

Just offering people who cant watch an idea of ewhats happening

[MissB]

67. It's hard to watch and type at the same time

When you type, it is very easy to miss how it is being said. Everyone here wants to see their candidate do well. In order to do that, one must pay attention to not only what is being said, but how it is being said. I tend to miss the good stuff when trying to relay the basic question/answer.

I tried in the beginning (first couple of threads) but now I'm kicking back and enjoying the debate.

I'll get back into in a few minutes.

[RichV]

75. 24/M GA LOL ROTFLMAO !!!111!!1!!111

BRB

Heh. OK, I'm done. Just being silly.

[Kathleen04]

106. LOL

:)

[curse10]

41. Kerry was a bad ass on the environment question!

He's damn good on that issue. I wish it was brought up more often.

[goodhue]

45. agreed

[leftist_rebel1569]

52. That answer kicked ass!!

Go Kerry! :)

[knight_of_the_star]

He should

If he isn't already.

[JDPhD]

46. IMO Most embarrassing moments so far....

#1. Sharpton not understanding the Q, and then being clueless about The Fed.

#2. Brit Hume having to explain to Edwards what DOMA does--Edwards is a freakin lawyer, yet, he didn't really his "anti"-DOMA position actually agrees with DOMA!

#3. Clark not "knowing" whether Bush is a deserter.

[OKNancy]

77. Now hole on

Clark knows the answer but he is smart enough not to try to get an answer out in ONE FREAKIN' MINUTE

[goodhue]

48. DK smiles

he should do it more!

[robsul82]

59. That peace sign to Sharpton was dorky.

Really...talk about playing into media stereotypes with Dean's Iowa speech.

Later.

RJS

[RichV]

49. The dude with the e-mails is a tool.

That's all. :-)

[curse10]

51. Man, I love DK

he's so fucking fabulous

[MuseRider]

69. He is isn't he?

However he seems a bit off tonight, slow to start. Probably exhausted like the others but this is not his best showing IMO. Still, he has so much to offer.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

98. Dennis won the last two debates

he's letting the others have a chance! Great answer on the delegate swap with Edwards too.

[xultar]

58. DK isn't doing well @ all. What is the deal. I'm sad 4 him n/t

[Jerseycoa]

63. His answer about the Edwards deal was perfect

[Nashyra]

92. JOe Lieberman is a jack ass

what an idiot. Lieberman is off the charts. He should be running as the Repub challenger to *.

[RichV]

60. DK, buddy, that's a weird answer. Substance is fine, but...

[xultar]

65. Clark has had what 3 questions? That aint right! n/t

[robsul82]

71. Hope he brought "Winning Modern Wars."

He's gonna need it.

Later.

RJS

[knight_of_the_star]

78. Al Sharpton's had more question than Wes!!! (nt)

[madmax]

83. Will there be a trascript of the debate? n/t

[RichV]

120. Washingtonpost.com will have it on the front page

They're keeping a running one now, I believe.

[Renew Deal]

66. Kucinich has plants in the audience.

He has people cheering there.

[AP]

70. ficus or hydrangea? (psst. they're called 'supporters')

[MissB]

81. lol !

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. Coming up

a Clark question...woohoo! It's about damn time! :grr:

[bicentennial_baby]

74. Better not be another crap ?

Give me policy!!

[ACPS65]

72. Dean droning on in on in the low monotone voice.

"The idear"? Wtf...

[laruemtt]

79. new england pronunciation

[robsul82]

85. Um, his voice is almost gone.

That's the voice he can speak in right now. Sorry.

Later.

RJS

[Cuban_Liberal]

He has a bad cold.

And that's how vermonters say 'idea'.

[Terwilliger]

73. Dean talking about war: said he did not believe Iraq a fast threat

said president not being candid with American people

[w13rd0]

76. Trying to bait Dean now...

...he's trying to respond by emphasizing his point, that Bush was not being candid with the American people, or with Congress.

[Guaranteed]

88. Dean responded well to follow-up question.

500 dead Americans. Nuff' said.

[AnAmerican]

DK's answer about renewable energy rocked

The crowd loved it...and, in repsose to the poster who said the cheering was from DK suppoerts planted in the audience...right...whatever.

[AP]

102. Dems should frontload that answer with a big dose of "we can't afford

NOT to do something about the environment" and the describe all the costs and who bears them when we polute and poison and destroy.

[David Zephyr]

84. Dean: 500 Dead and Thousands Wounded a Result of the Votes.

It's true.

[adamrsilva]

93. OH SHIT

Dean was pushed and he laid it on them.

Lieberman got claps. Do Democrats support the war?

[robsul82]

103. Gotta remember whose debate it is.

Gotta be some Repubs out there.

Later.

RJS

[Guaranteed]

105. Remember- this is Faux News....

prolly TONS of Repukes in the audience.

[robsul82]

95. It is, and Lieberman talks about Saddam trying to kill Poppy.

Way to kill the mojo, Uncle Joe.

Later.

RJS

[RichV]

89. If nothing else, Joe is consistent.

On the war vote. And a lot of the audience is eating it up.

[in_cog_ni_to]

90. Lieberman's defending the war!

OMG!

[laruemtt]

91. listening to lieberman

about iraq is just like lstening to *

[liberalcanuck]

119. I thought Lieberman was doing fine until the Iraq statements.

[muchacho]

94. Homicidal maniac

Hello Joe...then WHY DID WE HELP SADDAM INTO POWER??

[Khephra]

96. Man, that applause for Joe had to be the shortest in history

One WOO and loud handclaps. And they couldn't even keep it up for long.

[xultar]

97. Dean shouldn't be naming names on IWR. It's not gonna play well

with the voters.

[adamrsilva]

107. I agree

It's been proven that doesn't help.

[MissB]

99. Ugh. Lieberman using the "we're safer with Saddam in prison"

Defending going to Iraq war, despite the lack of evidence. This was in response to Dean's answer on going to war.

Barf-o-rama at Lieberman.

[Terwilliger]

100. ok, not terribly friendly...Lieberman very supportive of Bush results

applause and some boos

[AnAmerican]

101. Lieberman parroting the Bush lie about WMD..sheesh

n/t

[DianeG5385]

104. The debate is great, but the coughing is distracting

n/t

[DianeG5385]

122. I think it's a FAUX tactic

to distract the listener from the content of the candidates answers, especially if the answer is substantive!

[laruemtt]

108. clark talking about axcion

[killbotfactory]

109. NK is a threat. We should nuke them!

How can you argue that we are not safer without having nuked NK! The guy was a homicidal maniac!

[RichV]

110. Yet again, having Clark answer a question to put him on the defensive.

But it is one I haven't heard him answer. So in that sense I guess it's alright. Although I'd like more policy substance.

[curse10]

111. Another question for Edwards!

WTF is this? LoL

[in_cog_ni_to]

112. Acxiom question!

CAPPS II....he hasn't seen the program and knows nothing about it. He would have called in the ACLU to make sure all the privacy issues were in order. Good answer.

[MoonRiver]

113. LIEberman = bush* apologist

:thumbsdown: :puke:

I hope he drops out immediately after the NH vote so I never have to see his revolting DINO face in a presidential debate again! Arrrrrrgggggghhh!

[robsul82]

114. Ugh, a softball to Edwards...

Goddamn it.

Later.

RJS

[w13rd0]

115. Lieberman now saying that he "made the right decision"...

...ah, ok, stop, STOP NOW. Do NOT get into a slapfest over the Iraq war.

Oh, cripes, this guy is asking Clark about CAPS II...

Pardon me, but does this guy press opposition research for the GOP or something.

Clark doesn't know about CAPS II, and those worried about it haven't seen it either. Clark took Axciom around because their technology would improve our security. If I had still been around, I would have insisted ACLU be brought in.

Gack, this is making me dizzy and a little naseaus...

[TexasPatriot]

116. back to clark

wild... they've taken some swings at Clark tonight. Capps2 etc. He's been knocking them down pretty well - but the only softball that got lobbed up there was Jenning's Patriot question, and he finished that one well.

[xultar]

117. Score for Edwards n/t

[AP]

118. Wouldn't it be interesting if people who liked Dems and politics ran

debates?

[Rowdyboy]

121. Finally, Axiom, addressed

[Moderator]

123. Locking. Continue in Thread #6

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=169020

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[Kahuna]

124. No surprise but they are really playing "gotcha" with Clark.

I knew they would because they fear him.