New Hampshire Debate Thread #7

[Moderator]

Link to Thread #6:

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[robsul82]

1. I doubt this cousin exists.

Dean's kicking ass in Jersey. Asshole.

Later.

RJS

[Individualist]

The "cousin"

is most likely a figment of Faux's imagination.

[MissB]

2. CNN's website - headline about the debate:

Debating Democrats bash Bush more than each other.

Of course, the debate isn't over yet, but what the heck.

[xultar]

103. OK, Lieberman is out after NH

DK is out after NH

So
Clark
Dean
Edwards
Kerry
Sharpton

[ramapo]

3. Another stupid question

What red states will you win Howard. Mindless questions from mindless moderators.

[Khephra]

4. OMG...Dean just hit it out of the park!

:-)

[MoonRiver]

33. How?

Exactly what happened to lead you to that conclusion??

[goodhue]

5. Dean talking up Edwards

[Terwilliger]

6. Dean with a GOOD reply

I even liked it to some extent ;-)

[RichV]

7. Good answer for Dean for the most part

Not sure I agree with his take on arguing race, though.

[AP]

8. See, robsul, Edwards framed the debate.

[robsul82]

Well...*cough*...

Admit Dean just smacked a home run with that answer. Yeah. ;) lol

Later.

RJS

[AP]

21. And Sharpton tips cap to Edwards too. Edwards framed debate?

[robsul82]

28. Fine, you were right, shut up!

:)

LOL, I'm SORRY, I was wrong.

Later.

RJS

[w13rd0]

9. Great answer from Dean...

...on fighting the Republicans on real issues. Gets MUCH applause...

dangit...i gotta go record...is this going to be replayed?

[Toot]

40. I think Jennings said yesterday that the debate will be on ABC at the time

nightline comes on.

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. The candidates need to BOYCOTT FAUX NEWS!

They should all agree to NEVER have another debate on FAUX.

[KittyWampus]

Will DU'ers Write EnMasse To Leadership about using Fox For Debates>

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. We should!

WHY do they subject themselves to this crap? Why couldn't a local NH station do this debate and show it on C-SPAN like they did in Iowa?

[xultar]

82. Yes, no to Faux Debates!!!! n/t

[BootinUp]

11. Dean did well there

Fight the Republicans on our ground not theirs.

[Jerseycoa]

22. Dean was great!!

[robsul82]

12. Oh, Dean ate up that one with a spoon!

GREAT answer, Howard!

(I believe Dean just hijacked Edwards' "setting the tone of the debate," AP. ;) lol)

Later.

RJS

[Cuban_Liberal]

13. GREAT line by Dean!

"We're not gonna fight this election on THEIR ground--- we're gonna fight it on OURS!"

[adamrsilva]

DEAN LAYED DOWN THE LAW!

Best part of the debate!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

14. Excellent Dean - on globalizing workers rights

He gave props to Kucinich and Edwards, he's weak on repealing the WTO, but good job anyway! His soundbite on this is pretty good.

[AnAmerican]

29. Dean still does not get it re: NAFTA

The WTO will not let NAFTA be altered. The only way to fix it is to get rid of it.

[killbotfactory]

15. Dean rocked that stupid question.

I think I heard the questioner say "YEEEEEAARRGH!"

[David Zephyr]

16. Dean Scores.

Howard Dean doesn't give a speech, he answers questions.

[adamrsilva]

23. GO SHARPTON!!!!

Dean and now him! Kicking ass!

[Cheswick2.0]

37. yup, that's one thing I like about him

I think he is great tonight.

[Guaranteed]

17. Dean just

well...I won't say bitch-slapped, because it's offensive. But, if I was a male chauvinist I'd say that Dean just bitch slapped that goddamned Repuke mod.

[ACPS65]

18. And they say Kerry dodges questions.

Dean didn't name any states.

[arcos]

25. remember what happened last time he named states? n/t

[sillymikey]

30. what was Deans answer? N/T

[Mr. Brown of MD]

45. At the start, he did

Listed off states including South Carolina, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, West Virginia, Ohio.

-CollegeDude
That may have been all of them

[arcane1]

47. I thought he said South Carolina

[cthrumatrix]

19. BOOMM ....did I just see a home run from Dean....he and Edwards are right!

Talk about issues that people are interested in.

[AP]

26. Edwards hit the home run. Dean shook his hand after he crossed plate.

:)

[Individualist]

32. You did indeed

:)

[cthrumatrix]

35. Another Home Run for Dean --- he turned it ....he did it....

[cthrumatrix]

44. He got it back....go Dr. Dean!!!

[Terwilliger]

20. Sharpton: death penalty not proven...shouldn't be used

cant let Repubs talk about morality since no one talks about immoral economic values

[DjTj]

24. We are taking this debate back!

Go Democrats!

[MissB]

27. Hume wants to take Dean back to the other night

You lead with your heart, not with your head. Is that a person we want for President?

Dean is going with his record in Vermont.

[adamrsilva]

41. Dean showed why he was the front-runner

He's got it back.

[Terwilliger]

31. Hume: Dean you lead with heart not head...is that good as president?

Dean talks about health care...social justice...economic justice...

[Terwilliger]

Q : are people alarmed by temperament issue?

Dean: People are alarmed tone of the government.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

54. every time they ignore the Corporate Media Whores

and just speak about the issues, we win. Good for Kucinich, Sharpton, Dean, and Edwards.

[Maddy McCall]

34. What is wrong with these questions? Looking for personal flaws because...

all of these guys (most of them anyway) are strong on issues.

That sucks. Ask the guys questions that are relevant in people's lives.

[MissB]

48. That was Edwards point a few minutes ago

The mods have their marching orders from Faux, though.

[Cuban_Liberal]

36. Edwards and Dean are ROCKIN' tonight!

By far the best 2 performances of the night. NO question about it.

[Cheswick2.0]

50. I think Rev Al is doing a decent job too

he stumbled once but I loved his answer on several questions.

[Cuban_Liberal]

59. True.

Neither Kerry nor Clark have 'hit one over the fence', though.

[TexasPatriot]

i think kerrys first, and clarks patriot were well struck (nt)

[TexasPatriot]

62. i think Kerry has been best...

he's looking very presidential... Dean is still defensive, though this may triage the gushing blood.

[robsul82]

38. Hume trying to negate Dean's big HR there...

Go for it, Howard!

Later.

RJS

[adamrsilva]

49. They got bitch-slapped

and they are trying to take Dean down.

[MissB]

39. Hume pounding on the anger issue

*sigh*

[TexasPatriot]

42. Brit's goin after Dean

'you lead with your heart and not your head' is that a quality we want in a president?

following up with 'isnt there a temperment issue'

he's dodging pretty well

[NashVegas]

52. Brit Hume: He Shoots! He Falls Flat on His Nose

Dean gave him what for.

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. Hume is trying

to make Dean admit that he's unstable.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Hume is trying

to make Dean admit that he's unstable.

[David Zephyr]

51. Oh, Kerry's "Anti-War" Again. What a Crock.

Meanwhile Kerry is working his "pro war" vote already in the South.

[w13rd0]

64. I prefer leading with the heart...

...the heart is metaphorical for compassion, life-giving...you make decisions with your head, but you lead with your heart...

they are trying hard to bait...but for the most part, everyone has responded without frontal assaults...good for all of them...

[killbotfactory]

69. Yet he takes credit for removing Saddam

Yawn.

[xultar]

53. Kerry "Last Resort" Stole from Clark. n/t

[liberalcanuck]

71. Kerry knocked that out the park

[Terwilliger]

55. Kerry trying to answer on his IWR vote and his current criticism

Talking about the Contras! Khmer Ruge!

Kerry with much tougher talk!

[Terwilliger]

60. Kerry says his vote was to give Bush last resort authority

Bush used it that way, John

[Terwilliger]

65. Says Bush used the wrong way to go to war and really hits him as inept

[AP]

61. What he should do is turn to Dean and talk to him direclty. They should

just have it out head to head.

[cablenewser]

56. CableNewser.com

CableNewser.com (www.cablenewser.com) is live-blogging the debate and the coverage of it.

[robsul82]

57. Hehehe, I still got the fever from Dean's last answer.

BackbackbackbackbackGONE!

Later.

RJS

[laruemtt]

58. dean and clark won tonite -

dean because he regained the reigns, and clark because he withstood their attack.

[Cuban_Liberal]

Dean and Edwards.

Both by looking and sounding 'presidential'. Dean just salvaged his campaign, IMO.

[hellhathnofury]

I wouldn't exactly say Clark withstood the attacks.

[Kahuna]

84. He most certainly did.

Humph!

[Kahuna]

76. Clark, then Dean for the reason you mentioned... The attacks..

on Clark were much more severe so I give him the edge. :7

[Maddy McCall]

63. Who wants to guess what Clark's next question will be?

Any takers?

[lazarus]

67. I'll guess

"General Clark, have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

[RichV]

80. How about something re: the sweater? That'd be par for the course tonight

[Jerseycoa]

How many religions does he have?

[Maddy McCall]

86. BINGO. Ding ding ding ding ding!

That was my guess. What is your problem with Baptists? Why did you become a Catholic?

[TexasPatriot]

LOL

you have 45 religions... how does it apply to abortion - you were close

[bicentennial_baby]

111. Bingo!

You are the winner!!

[SadEagle]

113. That line of attack sure sounds familiar.

[SadEagle]

114. self-delete --- dup'd, sorry.

[madmax]

70. Sheesh, is he gonna get another question?!

:mad:

[OKNancy]

73. When did you quit beating your wife?

[robsul82]

75. "Well, General...you're a Republican, aintcha? AINTCHA?!?"

Probably.

Later.

RJS

[Maddy McCall]

91. LOL!

They couldn't have been more obvious about that.

[muchacho]

78. q

boxers or briefs?

[BootinUp]

79. the Shelton smear?

[snyttri]

81. When did you stop lying about Iraq?

[Kahuna]

108. They dare not ask him about that. He would have a chance..

to bring up the Drudge/RNC smear campaign.

[laruemtt]

83. um, "any truth to the rumors

that you were a particularly painful birth"?

[tishaLA]

88. Changing hats in Kosovo, methinks

[Jerseycoa]

90. That one, yes

[Maddy McCall]

102. Yes. They won't let him talk about policy because he is brilliant on

policy.

[Maddy McCall]

112. Pundits are blaming the candidates for the debate being nonstimulating

instead of blaming the mods for asking bad questions.

Go figure.

[Zynx]

95. Brit Hume: General Clark, why do you think we hate you so much?

;)

[RichV]

98. "So, how's it feel to have almost started WW3? Huh? HUH?"

[RichV]

68. Crowd seems pretty into this now.

[Terwilliger]

72. Hume asking Lieberman about disconnect on his positions

Says this was a just war!!

[RedEarth]

74. Hume is a dirt bag....typical fox talking head

I do think the candiates have done a decent job in responding to his crappy questions.

[askew]

77. Best thing about a Fox debate. It's uniting the candidates against Fox.

You got love this.

Poor Clark is getting Deaned. But, he is handling it well.

I am concerned about Edwards dodging on gay issues tonight. It's making me nervous. But, I liked his poverty answer.

I loved Dean's answer on what how he can win the Red states (and how any Democrat can) and his answer about how he stands up for what he believes in now matter what.

Now Kerry is getting slammed over his waffling on the war. Good. He deserves it.

[Nashyra]

93. Lieberman is toast

"A just war" he will get nowhere except for the voters that have been planted for him in the audience. They are afraid of Clark not giving him any questions of substance.

[adamrsilva]

97. They are all kicking ass.

FOX tried to bait them, and they fought back.

[Terwilliger]

85. Lieberman: It was a just war

I hope Kucinich comes back at him...somebody!!

[Terwilliger]

89. getting boos! cutting Lieberman off going to break!

[liberalcanuck]

94. Wow. Lieberman linked Iraq with terrorism.

Hmm.. who does that sound like?

[Kathleen04]

100. The audience boos him

I noticed that they made a little noise when he said it was 'just' the first time. I think it's kind of funny that they waited until he was done to boo him, how polite. ;)

[killbotfactory]

87. No WMD, No Al-Qaeda, where was the clear and present danger?

What was Saddam going to do? Wish ill-will upon us?

[cthrumatrix]

96. Joe has invokes SH and Al Quaeda as much as shrub....what a DINO

[killbotfactory]

109. Hell, Even Powell and Bush concede that there's no link to Al-Qaeda

Though they are "really really really really sure" that the WMD's might be found eventually.

[Cheswick2.0]

92. some one needs to teach Joe about what JUST WAR means

Now I remember why I don't like him.

[killbotfactory]

101. Evil man = Just war

That is Joe's logic, I think.

[DjTj]

99. Well, at least having Joe there...

...helps us see what it would be like debating Bush. He's got the Repug talking points down.

[Terwilliger]

104. Fox with Repuke chat

ALREADY saying they didn't answwer questions

:nuke:

[tridim]

105. WTF? It's over?

No closing statements? Oh Faux, you so crazy..

[ALago1]

106. Is that it?

That was sudden

[SadEagle]

129. Still on on the stream!

http://www.thewmurchannel.com/index.html?refresh=1200

[NoPasaran]

107. Huh?

Did that seem to end abruptly?

[David Zephyr]

110. The Media is Serving All the Sticky Questions to Clark On Purppose.

This is pissing me off.

Clark is being targeted.

[Maddy McCall]

117. Thank you David. I agree...

Coming from you, that's meaningful.

:-)

[sillymikey]

123. welcome to deans world!

:)

[Nashyra]

128. Clark is being targeted

they are covering *'s ass. Clark came in last? Puhleeze We can not critize the f(*&^%$ * in the WH. They are pissed that the AWOL discussion has come up. I hope that Clark investigates and brings out the *'s real record or challenges the * to produce the records. This will backfire on them because it was the Boston Globe that tried to report it during the last Presidential elections.

[soleft]

115. so it's over - Fox talking heads now

[Maddy McCall]

121. It's not over...But pundits are blaming candidates for the debate being

nonstimulating instead of blaming the stupid mods' questions.

[Maddy McCall]

134. I take it back...it's over. And it sucked.

[Maddy McCall]

138. Who is the Barney Fife looking pundit who is gauging performance?

[robsul82]

Is it over?

Commentator saying, "Dean was subdued, Edwards doesn't know what the DoMA is, Sharpton doesn't know what the Federal Reserve does, Kucinich, well...that's the same stuff he says in every debate, and Clark in last!"

Later.

RJS

[dweller]

135. still streaming over the local NH station?

unless i'm on a lapse here.

still asking questions.

Kerry asked about the bleak portrait being painted by the dems of the condition of the country, anyone else hearing this?

dp

[AP]

116. A general can say whatever left wing thing he wants.

Who's going to say otherwise when the general says abortion is a private issue.

It's quite a thing.

This is the good thing about Clark's candidacy.

[MissB]

118. Faux probably realizes that none of us will stick around to listen

to their commentators.

[Kathleen04]

126. lol,

I checked out...can't stand them.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

119. Clark's religion is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

Fecking corporate media whore piece of shite!!! He's not running for Pope, stupid asses!!!! Arg!!!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

120. Now cutting up Clark...

n/t

[Jerseycoa]

127. Business as usual

I guess I can turn it off now, thank Gawd.

[in_cog_ni_to]

122. Wes Clark came in last

because he didn't repudiate Moore's statement. THESE GUYS ARE ASSHOLES!!!!

Chris Wallace should be ashamed of himself. I'm pissed as hell now. :grr:

[madmax]

132. I can't shake the feeling that these guys on the debate panel

fear Clark and wanted to give him a hard time and little good exposure. The bushista's will shit if they have to run numb nuts against Clark.


:mad:

[Maddy McCall]

140. Clark took the high road. If he would have repudiated Moore's statement

he would have endangered his democratic base. Good for him for evading that question.

[hellhathnofury]

124. HAHAHA

FOX: Don't listen to anything they said, it's all lies, Bush is still the son of god.

[w13rd0]

133. No joke...

...all, oh, and Clark should have repudiated that horrible fable about Bush being a deserter. SHAME! SHAME ON HIM! I think they might be regretting letting that slip to their sheep like audience...

FAUX COMMENTARY: "SLEEP, SLEEP, CONSUME, SLEEP"

[minkyboodle]

125. This whole thing stunk

Murdoch is doing his best Mr Burns impersonation at this moment. At least we will have fair and balanced analysis HANNITY and colmes.
SCott

[BootinUp]

130. I agree, I have a very bad taste

in my mouth from this piece of crap debate.

I guess they will show the rest of it on Nightline if anyone is interested. Yea I'll probably watch it. :)

[symbolman]

136. debate still going...

...watching ABC channel 9 WMUR. last question to kerry...

[in_cog_ni_to]

139. There's more on Nightline?

OMG....I don't think I can take them anymore. That was nothing buT a RW hack job. :(

[sillymikey]

131. DONT FORGET!

Dean and his wife will be on Primetime on ABC at 10E/9C!!

[justsam]

137. the Dem Candidates should

have never agreed to go on Fox Republican news network for the debate in the first, now murdocs Bush ass sucking reporters will tear them up for the next 2 days..

[in_cog_ni_to]

142. I agree...write your candidate

and tell him to NEVER, EVER do a debate on FAUX NEWS. I'm emailing Clark's campaign...he can't go back there!

[TLM]

141. I can't believe Clark actually said "the taliban in Iraq."

And he wouldn't back up Moore on Bush being AWOL... that was seriously lame.

[RichV]

143. The Fox correspondent called Michael Moore a propogandist

Good grief.