Faux just totally doing a "hit" on Clark. Have been ripping him apart

[kerry-is-my-prez]

the entire time. Bill Bennett: I think what Clark did is much worse than what Dean did.

[jpgray]

1. Clark is in my "unsure" category, but it WAS a hit job, no question (nt)

[jenk]

2. why don't they get it BUSH WAS AWOL!!!!!!

[laruemtt]

3. they're not worthy of clark

[mitchtv]

4. Faux must think someone

kept the channel tuned

[kerry-is-my-prez]

9. Yeah - I don't know WHAT I was thinking. Guess I like to be tortured. lol!

[West Coast Democrat]

5. Faux wouldn't have any ulterior motive, would they?

It's a good thing most Democratic-leaners don't make their voting decisions based on the opinions of Faux-News political analysts.

[Leilani]

6. It's Obvious this was a Setup

Michael Moore should hold a press conference & put out the facts on Bush/AWOL.

[Dookus]

7. no problem...

seriously. Think about it.

For the FIRST time, we have major talking heads even MENTIONING the
"Bush is a deserter" story. This will pique people's interest and more will look into it. Michael Moore is already pushing it at http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php

This will get more press attention, and it's bad for Bush in the long run. AND... Clark looks like a good guy for not taking the bait. Let Michael Moore lead the attack.

[truebrit71]

8. There are a couple of good reasons for that

1) They know that * is, in fact, a deserter

2) Wes Clark will wipe the floor with * in any debate and in the election.

It was VERY interesting that they went after him first and with such vigour...the repukes are scared WITLESS of a Clark nomination...

TB

[newsguyatl]

10. doesn't feel so good to be on the receiving

end of character assassination does it clark supporters?


i don't agree at all with what they're saying about clark...



but imagine how dean supporters feel that he's been painted a "lunatic" because he was showing passion and giving BACK the energy to all his supporters...

[West Coast Democrat]

13. I seriously don't care what Bill Bennett & the Fox Whores think....

And do other Democrats?

[Dookus]

14. well

despite your attempt to gloat....

I don't feel at all like it was a character assassination. In fact, I think the question about Bush going AWOL was awesome for Clark. He got to remain above the fray, while still implying that there may be something to the story. Michael Moore will lead the charge on this issue, while Clark remains above it.

Furthermore, the more Fox harps on it, the more attention it gets. I have no problem with that.

[jumptheshadow]

32. Clark can handle it

And I say, "Thanks for bringing up the subject."

On edit: Thanks, Peter, for waving the red flag in front of Michael Moore.

[Bread and Circus]

36. That's a joke...Clark has been getting smeared since 9/17/2003...

and even before that.

Don't act like this is something new, it's not.

[elixir]

42. I glad Dean did the interview

with his wife Judy. I was disturbed by Dean's speech in Iowa but it wouldn't change my vote, if I were a supporter. But, since I'm not, it made more angry at whatsherface for repeating questions about his speech over and over and over! Leave the guy alone, he's new to this stuff and he didn't handle the Iowa loss well. I don't think this is grounds for questioning whether he's "presidential" material.

If so, maybe smirk should be questioned for his smart ass answers during his all-too-few press conferences.

[John_H]

11. Once again proving the obvious. How long will it take us to figure out

that Wes Clark makes the entire GOP simultaneously soil themselves?

Bob Dole. Tweety. Ed Gilespie. Bob Benet. Brit Hume.

It's time to face the fact folks. Either those people take their marching orders from Rove like we've all been charging for the last three years, or they don't. If they do--how much proof do you need that Clark is the guy that makes KKKarl wake up screaming.

[reprehensor]

12. I told you so...

...although I do hate to say it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=109&topic_id=4483

on edit: not 'you' personally...

[Edge]

15. They're scared.

They know Clark would rip Dubya to shreds in the election. Let them run with their tail between their legs when election time comes. :)

[democracyindanger]

18. Welcome to DU n/t

[FATNED]

16. The top down message from the RNC has been heeded...

Ease up on Dean (he's been weakened enough that we might actually want to face him in the GE) and now go after Clark (Shit, this guy will smoke Bush in the GE. Smack him down now). Give Kerry a pass for now cuz we think we can beat him but if he gets too far out front or wins the nom, slap him hard.

And of course, continue to blow smoke up Lieberman's ass.

I'm glad to hear the deserter question brought up, even if it is so these blowhards can feign outrage. I'm guessing many Americans have never even heard the charge before. Maybe a few will look into it.

What am I missing? why won't one of these candidates loudly and proudly retort, "Of course the president was a deserter. Let me show you the evidence..." It would be a homerun. What the hell are they afraid of?

[alittlelark]

17. Turned off FAUX milliseconds after debate

Too bad. ALL DEMS TAKE NOTE!!!!!!!!

The * admin and it's minions (FAUX along w/ all other 'major media outlets' and 95% of corporations) are TERRIFIED OF CLARK. He is their worst nightmare. Kerry did not go AWOL, but he has little to no Charisma - met him in ABQ this summer. This Junta knows that Clark is a fighter whose tenacity has already been measured.

Incidental, supported Dean to the tune of $200 until his confederate flag crap. Saw him at that point as a loose, or at least unsure cannon.

Edwards also concerns the evil minions, but they know they can turn him into a 'Carter' within months.


Hate me for being a Clark supporter, but Dad was in AF for 30 years in research, and has many peers supporting him as well.

[Kahuna]

22. Clark plans to undue all the PNACers/Carlyle Group's...

raping of our country and send those despots to Camp Xray. That's what they fear.

[LibDemAlways]

46. You are 100% correct.

The repuke-run media is pushing Kerry as the frontrunner because they are terrified of Clark. The prospect of the AWOL chimp going up against the general is Rove's worst nightmare. Look for the bogus poll numbers to indicate Clark is sinking. Anything to make him look bad before the Southern primaries.

[kentuck]

19. I saw that ! Worse than what Dean did, he said.

Why are they attacking Clark so violently ?

[misterphelps]

20. Clark got whacked

Turns my stomach to even turn Fox on... only caught the last half hour. In the post game, both of the repuglican talking heads placed Clark last. What the...? They are scared of this guy! You know they loved Lieberman. I don't know if it's a corporate decision, or whether these guys actually come up with their own ideas. Pissed me off. Can someone tell me why the Democratic debate is on Fox??? Maybe it gives them the leverage of "first spin". It was completely ass backwards to me.

[newyawker99]

31. Hi misterphelps!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[maggrwaggr]

21. I'm amazed you guys actually watch this crap!

You've got a stronger stomach than I do.

[Kahuna]

23. It was supposed to be a "debate" but it wasn't..

it was a gossip fest almost as bad as the one Ted Koeppel did.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

27. Forgot to change the channel. Not good for the blood pressure.....

I keep on accidentally watching that awful Colin Quinn show too cause it's on after the Daily Show too - THAT show's even worse. Gotta stop doing that.

[maggrwaggr]

30. I changed that channel SO damn quick!

when the debate was over, my otherwise-permanent boycott of Fox news was back on.

[elixir]

43. Colin Quinn's show stinks! I have never heard so much repug drivel.

[dusty64]

24. The media whores

have found their next target. I can't believe the little shit these Pravda bastards are blowing into "scandals" all the while ignoring and burying EVERY rethug crime. I hate them and what they've done to our Country. Now they are trying to destroy a candidate for telling the TRUTH. chimp WAS AWOL, I hope Clark does not back down from this he is right and they (as usual) are wrong. Its become pretty apparent the ones they DON'T want to win the nomination.

[Woodstock]

25. They are so transparent - their goal: knock our guys out one by one

They figure Dean is mission accomplished. Now have targeted Clark. Clark didn't play along. GOOD FOR HIM!!!

Slimeballs.

[Ramsey]

26. Clark is tonight's victim

It is sad to witness.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the Clark folks are now empathetic to what we Dean folks have had to put up with for weeks now. It should't happen to any of our guys, it is truly disgusting.

[bain_sidhe]

28. Oh, quit it.

This is about the fifteen zillionth post like this I've seen tonight.

A lot of us have been sympathetic all along, and MOST of us didn't join in on the media-smear bandwagon. In fact, a FEW of us (me at least, a couple of others I know of) actually agreed with you AT THE TIME.

So quit with the "now you know how it feels" 'k?

[Ramsey]

34. I said "some"

Not "all". And there have been some who have not been as empathetic as you, that's all.

[AnnitaR]

29. You are exactly right!

We have got to quit letting these assholes in the media run our elections!

Does anyone here even remember what it was like when we had "journalists" not these whores?

This whole election has been one bullshit move after another by the media and we just sit by and watch them do it to us.

[jonnyblitz]

37. what goes around comes around.

let's see how they handle the 24/7 onslaught on their candidate. I am totally amused at the thin skin. Poetic justice.

[Maddy McCall]

48. Tell me...what did Clark ever do to Dean

If turn about is fair play, and the attack is on Clark now, then what did Clark do to deserve it.

If you are saying that interactions between supporters on DU are why Clark deserves to be attacked, then you are far too invested in what goes on at DU.

And if you enjoy Republican hatchet jobs on any of our candidates, then I pity you.

[xultar]

45. What about all the crap about Dean calling Clark a Rethug

and all of the Dean supporters here attacking Clark on the SOA which he only had distant responsibilities for for 1 year and just spoke at a graduation.

Dean supporters have been attacking Clark and his supporters since he got into the race.

Saying he fliped on the war, attacking his wife Gert, the way he prayed @ a black church, etc.

Please

:nopity: over here

[Monument]

33. Clark took a BEATING last night

I fully agree that watching Clark last night was painful. He got awful questions and the debate was horrible for him. They painted him as a republican (it could be argued that he painted himself as a republican), and that just won't fly with many voters.

[mikehiggins]

39. Grace under pressure

Considering how obvious it was that there was a clear agenda to bash Clark I think he did pretty well. By now, of course, he should have gotten used to the attacks, especially since they have been the coin of the realm here on DU for months.

The drumbeat over the "deserter" charge seems to have gone, well, nowhere other than FAUX (the WWE of Journalism) NEWS. There are probably some media outlets that will harp on it (i.e. the Union Leader) but it seems pretty clear that everyone knows what was going on during the debate and lots of newspeople just aren't signing on to be part of the witch hunt.

Let's not be too upset over this, okay? They threw what they obviously think is their best spears at Clark during the debate and he was still standing at the end of it.

So, all you DUers who've spent months blasting my candidate, thanks to the degree that all of the research you have done and shared with the rest of us have made it possible to be prepared for this onslaught.

We appreciate your contribution to Clark's success.

ciao

[Woodstock]

50. I think Clark did fine

I thought he handled the deserter question with great finesse - he refused to let them pull his strings.

That's an essential skill in surviving in the shark tank of the thug controlled media. The thugs play tough, and he showed he isn't just going to walk right into their open jaws. Nice job.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

56. Thanks Woodstock

[xultar]

41. You are DEAD wrong....

Please go review his voter registrations @ his site. I posted scans of his voter registraion informaiton here yesterday.

http://www.clark04.com/readingroom/financial/

Please don't spread false rumors....

[beaconess]

35. Can someone explain to me

why these people are so eager to ask Clark why he won't knock down an accusation made by someone else about Bush's AWOL status yet not one of them has asked Bush to do the same?

Does anyone remember any Republican criticized for not refuting allegations made by others against Bill Clinton?

I must have missed the part where Democrats were assigned the job of defending Bush against his critics. Isn't that the job of Bush, Rove and their minions?

[TexasSissy]

38. Clark is the Repubs' worst nightmare.

No long voting record to attack. Honest with character. Smart. Articulate. Up on the facts. Healthy and energetic. Brave, courageous, with an outstanding military record. Leadership experience, including being involved in negotiations with other world leaders. The only candidate whom foreign countries know (by name).

Bush is scared sh*less.

[LoneStarLiberal]

40. According to the Confounding Principle...

According to the Confounding Priciple of media which seems hold sway with several people around here, this must mean that Clark is the biggest threat and therefore the best candidate since Fox is giving him all this negative attention.

[DeepModem Mom]

44. Someone in another thread said Fox is not flogging this today --

does anyone know if they seem to be dropping the issue?

[Woodstock]

47. Now to everyone who was happy when Dean was getting blasted

by the SCLM, I told you so.

They are out to take out every Democrat in the most slimey way. To fall for it and repeat it on a Democratic board just to promote your own pick in the primaries is, to put it mildly, counterproductive.

Think of it as a shooting gallery - one duck down, now aim for the next.

[West Coast Democrat]

49. Dean deserved to be blasted

[Woodstock]

51. I defend Clark, and all you can do is repeat your mantra?

I've been here defending Clark at least 10 times since the debate, pointing out unity against the thugs is our only hope, and all you can say is "Dean deserved to be blasted." So let me see. If the thugs go after Dean, it's OK. But if the thugs go after Clark, it isn't? Does this even remotely sound a little askew to you?

Mike Malloy tried to reason with a Democrat who was hell bent on crucifying Dean last night - he finally gave up. He kept saying, why can't you say something positive about your candidate instead of trashing Dean? She never did get it.

[West Coast Democrat]

55. Dean-supporters say Dean was attacked for no good reason

I watched Dean's speech myself, and just laughed in disbelief. I didn't need anyone in the media to tell me he looked stupid.

[JNelson6563]

52. Frankly I can't watch such smut

I turned it to ABC right after the "debates". Wanted to catch The Interview.

The way I see it, Faux will methodically rip apart every candidate on the Dem roster who appears to have a chance of winning the nomination. All of that will simply be warm up for after a candidate is chosen.

I don't know what they've said about Clark so I cannot comment. I am sure just the fact that he did not praise the usurping boy king is the most insidious sort of treason though.

Honest criticisms, dishonest criticisms, those are not nearly as relevent as failing to praise, or worse! criticizing Jr.

I recommend everyone here stay away from TV news, especially Faux. It is all poison.

Julie

[kang]

53. Strange to pick Fox for debate

Why is it that the Democrats are having debates on Fox? I thought that for some reason all the questions to Clark were about whether he was a real Democrat or not. I thought his first answer was sufficient, but he seemed to be on the defensive all night given the line of questioning and he never could find a way to talk about his positive agenda.

Is this what passes for journalism nowadays? Edwards was right that it's sad when the candidates want to talk about the issues, but the journalists want to talk about personality and side issues. Latest poll puts Kerry above Dean and Clark by a good margin: http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/demtrack/. It's going to be a tight race!!

[PVnRT]

54. They're going to do that to everyone

Dean, Clark, Kerry, Jesus Christ, it doesn't matter, Fox News is going to do everything they can to show how much better Bush is. Fair and balanced, my ass.

[Loren645]

57. He's been seriously smeared from the start.

It was actually a factor that worked in his favor when I was
picking my candidates. The fact that there were RW smears
(like Stormin' Norman who hasn't seen Clark in 12 years,
and ended up sheepishly admitting he was repeating gossip).
The fact that these smears generally took his comments grossly
out of context, reversed his meaning, and now in the case of
Drudge outright fabricated "quotes."

No reason to do that unless they're freakin' over him, and
he can't be intimidated or bribed into complicity.