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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 02:56 AM
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Kucinich's Master Plan To Win
Stay a little below the radar while the two top contenders beat the heck out of each other battling for the early states and all the rest attack the two front-runners to boost their tattered campaigns.

Meanwhile, Dennis builds a solid grassroots campaign that's set to peak two weeks before the primaries and coast into the last two weeks of the campaign with a clean slate, no dirt and a new deal, Dennis Kucinich is the one. A man you can trust. A man you can count on. A man who will make America great again.

I give you Democratic Candidate Kucinich, by a landsllde.

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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:05 AM
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1. yeah
:toast:
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:05 AM
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2. Dennis K. is the true voice of the people!
Edited on Thu Dec-18-03 03:10 AM by ThirdWheelLegend
A dem I would be inspired to vote for! I would literally run to the polls to vote for Kucinich.

"A man who will make America great again."

As long as people realize if you elect(vote for) someone they are electable!

Don't believe the media hype. People should realize this even more after ABC and Koppel showed the media's true colors. If I have learned anything from the recent history, the media and unfortunately DU at times: Money and Polls.. thats all that matters to too many people. Rhetoric over substance. American politics as usual. :eyes:

GO DENNIS K.!!!

TWL
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:08 AM
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3. If Dennis is heard by all the people, he will be loved into office
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:09 AM
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4. yo dennis!
the whole world will love america again when u are elected president. you go man!
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:11 AM
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5. kucinich will win
1 we wont have to deal with nader
2abb feeling goin around
3third party voters see him as their guy
4dubya -he aint that smart and dk offers a clear alternative on the issues that he fails forgien policy JOB-FUL recovery and health care
hell i saw guys on freak republic give dk respect because he has the guts to get outta nafta and wto (which conservatives dont like)
4As the war/occupation goes on more people will see a need to bring the troops home immeadiately
5and he is great to listen to its not like deans angry rants
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:44 AM
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6. Sigh
You Kucinich supporters really don't understand a darn thing about American politics. The fact of the matter is that Kucinich is far too much of a leftist to be tolerable to the vast majority of voters. Yes, he'd definitely attract the Greens and others on the left fringe, and yes, he'd probably win a landslide on most college campuses, but he'd also drive away tens of millions of moderate voters who aren't exactly interested in a "Department of Peace" or a ridiculous "Get the U.S. out, and the U.N. in" strategy for Iraq. Trust me, I know a heck of a lot about American politics and a Kucinich ticket would be absolutely destroyed in a general election. He would lose 49 states, maybe even all 50 (including his home state of Ohio, which Bush would win by twenty or thirty points). I would literally bet $5,000 that Kucinich would lose at least 49 states.

If Dennis Kucinich ever wants to become a serious candidate for national office he'll have to moderate his views, and then get elected either Governor, U.S. Senator, or House Democratic Leader. Then and only then can he seriously think about running for national office.

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 03:57 AM
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7. My initial observation
Even without tearing it apart, it's clear your thesis, in the first sentence, is simply untrue both prima facie and substantially, hence the supporting body of the work cannot possibly have any weight.

And on reading it, I came to the conclusion that my initial observation was correct.

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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 04:00 AM
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8. *here*here*
:toast:
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 04:03 AM
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9. "Get the U.S. out, and the U.N. in"
What is ridiculous about that? Unrealistic, maybe, but in a perfect world...

I love Dennis Kucinich and if he is the nominee, I will support him enthusiastically and proudly. This is a good man, in every sense of the word.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 04:32 AM
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10. That's hilarious jsw
because you don't come across that way in this thread or when you stated that in 2000, when you were a liberal Republican, you voted for John McCain and Jennifer Dunn. Condescending tone aside, why would Kucinich supporters trust someone who stated "True liberals who care about America will, along with Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, and Dianne Feinstein, support Gavin Newsom for mayor. Are you a true liberal or a pathetic, delusional Green? The choice is yours." Anyone who sees things that simplistically looks a little off when they claim to know a heck of alot about American politics.

There a wiiiiiiiiide gap in what you think you know about politics and what we think we know though I'm sure you've gained quite a bit of wisdom in your months here during which you don't seem to have missed a single Kucinich thread. Kudos to you for at least trying to improve on all that knowledge! ;)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 04:45 AM
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11. Not if you talk platforms instead of using snarl words
The fact of the matter is that Kucinich is far too much of a leftist to be tolerable to the vast majority of voters.

51% of Republicans and 86% of Democrats prefer universal health care to the Bush tax cuts. How much more mainstream can you get?

That gutless so-called 'Democrats' start out with the wussy position that you shouldn't advocate such 'far left' stuff is the reason that the political spectrum has moved so far rightward. Do Republicans refuse to back abortions like the recent Medicare bill on the grounds that 'Oh, we can't do that. Too many people favor Medicare.' Nope--they lay their horrible agendas right out on the table and push for them without compromise.

Dems should quit arguing with success and do likewise.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 05:48 AM
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13. Yo Bud
You said and I quote "or a ridiculous "Get the U.S. out, and the U.N. in" strategy for Iraq."

Yes Kucinich proposes that. You care to explain to me just what is ridiculous about that idea? You labeled it that way, not the masses, not the media, not even his opponents. YOU DID.

Splain Lucy. Why exactly do you find that point of view ridiculous?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 06:45 AM
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14. This post did make me laugh, though.
Just in case anyone thinks I was upset in any way. No, it made me laugh out loud. That old conservative bile just couldn't be contained one moment longer. I think Dennis has them scared for their future.

And rightly so.

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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 05:39 AM
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12. not a landslide
I would like to see a Kucinich landslide, but I think that his best chances lie in a brokered convention. I certainly hope that he stays on until the end, as there should be a candidate who espouses liberal positions.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 08:09 AM
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16. Wait till you see how much blood is on the ground
...after the DLC and their money people have smeared, raped and tarred all the top candidates to try to get Lieberman in.

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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 10:08 AM
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20. oh, we'll all wait
However, even if the scenario begins as you predict, I suggest that that will result in a hardening of attitudes, not a mass defection to DK. I stand by the statement that a brokered convention is his most likely shot. Shall we compare notes afterward?
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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 07:42 AM
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15. Go Dennis!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 08:58 AM
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17. Interesting.
I've thought much the same since early last year. Although I didn't think "staying under the radar" was on purpose, it serves the purpose. I don't know about a landslide; with 9 to choose from, a landslike would be hard for any of them. But by whatever margin, I'll celebrate a Kucinich victory!
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 09:03 AM
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18. This ain't "Survivor"....
while Kucinich might be the ideal candidate in an ideal world-

we don't live in an ideal world.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 09:11 AM
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19. You are discounting the uneducated masses, though
I wear this screen name all over the place on the 'net, including the Yahoo boards where freepers rule.

All I ever hear about from them is how I am a babykilling socialist/communist (they can't differentiate between the two) who just wants to steal their money via taxes for worthless programs.

I guarantee you that the average joe kneejerk reaction to the liberal socialist stigma will cost Dennis a lot of votes, even though his ideas will HELP them rather than hurt them. :^(
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 10:22 AM
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21. With all the fighting between the Dean and Clark camps
many of whose supporters seem to hate one another more than they hate Bush, that scenario seems plausible.
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