WHICH TWO campaigns agreed Clark should have said AWOL isn't DESERTER?

[MIMStigator]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=171126

I am guessing LIEBERMAN and either Edwards or Kerry.

Who do you say are the spineless ones?

[Terwilliger]

1. Here's the deal, MIMS

On the one hand, you're saying Clark is great because he won't lie and say Bush wasn't a deserter.

AT THE SAME TIME, you're criticizing others for saying that Clark should have repusiated them.

ALL THE WHILE, you won't admit that Clark missed an opportunity to slam Bush...an opportunity reinforced by Moore's linking to all the stories that confirm what he says about Bush

Three-faced?

[MIMStigator]

3. one faced

I said Clark is great because he didn't say Moore comments were wrong because he DOESN'T KNOW and if he agreed with Bill Bennet the accusation is OUTRAGEOUS he would be lying, which he doesn't.

I criticized others for saying Clark SHOULD have lied and said Moore's DESERTER accusation is wrong.

I said to people who said Clark should have given out the news reports on the AWOL story that they are right, that would have been an even BETTER answer.

I also said I bet he will do that now when he's asked about it again and won't back down and say Moore is wrong.

What's so three faced about that?

[Terwilliger]

6. spin spin spin

:D

By the way, leaving your post during time of war is desertion.

[MIMStigator]

12. That would have been a better answer too

"Leaving your post during time of war is desertion" and then saying he doesn't know if * did or not but shouldn't they look into it

[TexasPatriot]

4. heres my take on this

and its probably odd

but if Clark is the nominee, having the 'awol deserter' card would be nice to be able to hold till the general election

If you use it now - you slam bush, he gets to defend himself, etc etc... and to a degree bush gets innoculated. I think theres a good reason you dont use a card like that here - what does it get you? Clark beats the crap out of Bush every time he can with lines that Kerry has coopted (he seems to do that a lot...)

On the other hand, assuming i'm wrong and Clark wasnt thinking so many moves ahead, I dont think he missed an opportunity - i think he demonstrated something we look for in a leader, restraint. he was being goaded into making an assertion he wasnt prepared to follow up on - and he chose not to take the bait.

either way, it shows skill as a politician - something I'm awful glad to be seeing from him.

[MIMStigator]

10. If he would have agreed with Jennings and said Moore was crazy he

would have taken the easy way out as far as the Fox and Hardball repukes but it would have showed a lack of honor and started a fight between Moore and Clark. Moore said he liked Clark because he was one of the only ones who stood up when they piled on Moore.

They are trying to make Clark pay for not distancing from Moore but he didn't and won't and it won't help AWOL it will just keep AWOL story floating around.

[For PaisAn]

11. agree

Agree with your post 100%

[BeyondGeography]

18. Great points, TP

He could have made this the entire focus of his campaign if he bobbled it. At this stage of the primary, that would have been a disaster. The MW's are going to try to do it anyway, but Clark can just say it's between you and Michael Moore.

[The Magistrate]

22. Well Said, Mr. Patriot!

An excellent analysis, Sir.

[mikehiggins]

14. Just realistic T

Only a moron would think that the other campaigns were attacking Clark because they believe in what they're saying.

As to bashing Bush, there is little value to throwing yourself as a sacrifice into the volcano. If Clark had given them what they wanted it would cause a firestorm and so what?

You may not have noticed but Bush has destroyed the economy and lied to the American people to start a war that is costing billions of dollars and untold thousands of human lives, and that's just the beginning.

How the hell can you think this deserter thing is going to bring him down?

It's the real world, after all.
It's the real world, after all.
It's the real world, after all.
It's the real, real world.

and repeat.

[thebgrkng]

21. If he had said bush was a deserter....

...then he would have to have a convincing argument right off the bat or people would call him a traitor. He couldn't go for the Dean-style 'well the most interesting theory ive heard is...' we saw that didn't work.

now i would say he has set himself up to get his ducks in a row, come up with enough evidence to lay down on the table that points the finger at bush. Then he says say here is what Moore was talking about, there is a lot of evidence that points to this

(i never followed this whole deserter thing but what i know about it was some base commander said he wasn't there, and all the records were removed or something, that and there being some sort of tie-in/allusion to drug testing)

so it won't be a rock-solid slam-dunkable case, but he can come back with it, says here is what Moore was talking about, i think you should investigate it and see if there is anything more too it. If there is nothing to it, ill be the first to say there was nothing to it, and ill ask Moore to comment likewise.

then he can go into his open govt shtick

-TheBgrKng

[IowaBiker]

24. Does it really matter?

Does it matter that W went AWOL while on titty bar duty, when guys like Kerry and Clark were putting on the line -- one that wasn't a G-string?

Kerry and Clark are so far above this; it's the conservatives who need to assure themselves that W was on duty, keeping America's "runways" safe for democracy.

For those who served in combat, a "Does it really matter?" is the perfect answer.

--Brian

[ACPS65]

2. Dean and Lieberman

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[JI7]

5. kerry's big thing is he served and bush didn't

so not sure how kerry would be one of them.

[Old and In the Way]

25. I'd like to see John stick up for Clark and Moore on this.

It damn well should be a referendum on character and leadership.

We should all stand together on this issue. Any Democrat that says I'm sure George was not AWOL, simply provides cover for the unelected fraud.....are we really this afraid of the BFEE? I hope not. Mr. Bush should not be above the law.

Kerry could chime in with sometime to the point of saying, "This can be quickly resolved. Mr. Bush should supply the missing gaps in his records so he can assure the American people that he did not desert his nation when he was called." If Bush ducks (which he has to), make it an issue.

[quaker bill]

7. I agree on

the likely candidates

[LuminousX]

8. Let's wait and see which campaigns actually come out and say it

Don't let the media float rumors.

[MIMStigator]

15. I hope they all deny saying it and then we know media lied again

eom

[LuminousX]

19. Also realize

a campaign aide may have said what he though Clark should have done or something to that effect, which doesn't mean that the whole campaign supports it. That is the type of tricks the media plays. I work for a company and I have a lot of crazy opinions. That doesn't mean my company has crazy opinions. Did I say crazy? I mean perfectly sensible opinions.

Don't let the media control the discussion.

[KittyWampus]

9. Mediawhores LIE DAMMIT! And We'll Know If This Is True

when we hear one of them say something about it.

[Fleshdancer]

13. So you think Tweety is telling the truth?

Divide and conquer does work I guess. :eyes:

[snyttri]

16. Kerry, Dean, Lieberman, Edwards and also Bush

[pocoloco]

17. Moore's website is updated after tonites debate!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

[paulk]

20. This is a rumor, people

let's wait for some confirmation before throwing accusations around.

[Cocoa]

23. Rove and Rove

since when do we believe Tweety?