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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:46 AM
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I missed the debate... Who won?
Honestly... Don't lie.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:47 AM
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1. Ralph Nader
:D

I dunno...John Kerry I think...had a really good comeback on a patriotism question
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:49 AM
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2. When will C-span re-run it?
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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:52 AM
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3. Kerry won, nobody lost, Clark fought for all democrats
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:54 AM
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4. John Kerry
he is good at answering questions.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:56 AM
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5. Kerry and Edwards! Clark handled the "Whores" magnificently!
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:02 AM
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6. Edwards!
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:12 AM
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7. Faux won.
...Homefield advantage.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:14 AM
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9. LOL!
Actually, I thought the Trolley from Mr. Rogers did a good job... he piped up whenever the canidates were going long. :D
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:14 AM
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8. Didna see it, but doesn't sound like it was much of a debate
However, I am hearing positive things about how candidates stuck it to Bush and not each other. That's great, because now, every valuable dollar needs to be pointed at him.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:24 AM
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19. Yes, I saw most of it, and the Repugs were very disappointed afterwards
that our candidates did exactly what you said.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:34 AM
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10. Our Guy
hope you are happy.

dp
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:35 AM
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11. Joe lost
thats all
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EXE619K Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:20 AM
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12. None of the above....
I'm afraid Holy Joe sunk the ship really.....

That bit with "Iraq war being a noble cause" or something like that.

With great Dems like Joe, Why blame Zell Miller?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:25 AM
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13. Here's a great answer by Edwards (the Islam Q)
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 02:35 AM by AP
It was a trap. They were going to make it seem like, because Edwards didn't know what a haj was that he'd be unfit to be president. Edwards turned the question around into his favorite theme: making life better for the ordinary person. Also, conservatives want to think that the only good thing government can do is nothing, and Edwards talks about how, if the US helps build public schools in Afghanistan, it'll make life for Americans better. It's true and it's genius.


JENNINGS: I'd like to continue in this vein a little, if I may.

Senator Edwards, many people, I think, believe that the greatest security threat to the United States in the 21st century is the possible confrontation between the West and Islam.

Now, I know and take for granted, having heard you before, that you respect Islam. But could you take a minute to tell us what you know about the practice of Islam that would reassure Muslims throughout the world who will be listening to you that President Edwards understands their religion and how you might use that knowledge to avoid a confrontation, which, as Tom alluded earlier, might indeed end up sending sons and daughters from New Hampshire to war.

EDWARDS: Well, I have been in these parts of the world. I have been in Pakistan, met with President Musharraf, been in Afghanistan, met with then interim chairman -- interim head of the government Karzai. I have met with other Islamic leaders around the world, discussed with them the problems that their country and their people face.

I would never claim to be an expert on Islam. I am not. But I do believe that Islam, as in a lot of other faiths that we as a nation embrace and lift up, that I have shown respect for faiths that are different than mine my entire life. I think I do understand the tragedy of the day-to-day lives of people who live in Arab countries, who live lives of hopelessness and despair.

EDWARDS: I think that contributes to the animosity that they feel toward the United States.

And part of our ongoing vision -- my ongoing vision for America includes getting at the root causes of that animosity toward the United States, which means being able to communicate, not just with the leadership, for example, in Saudi Arabia, but being able to communicate directly with the people...

JENNINGS: Do you think, Senator...

EDWARDS: ... to express...

JENNINGS: Do you think that we suffer and will suffer at the policy level because we do not know enough about the practice of Islam?

EDWARDS: I think we have a responsibility when we deal with the leadership of these countries. Our relationships, Peter, have been at the leadership level. And we see the results of that. We have ongoing relationship with the Saudi royals, with President Musharraf, with Chairman Karzai. We have relationships with the leaders of these Islamic countries.

The problem is, we have no relationship with the people. And not only do we have no relationship with the people, it's absolutely clear that they feel great animosity toward the United States. We need to, first, be able to communicate directly with the people.

Second, find opportunities. For example, President Musharraf said to me when I met with him: They desperately needed a public school system as an alternative to the religious schools, where their kids are taught to hate Americans.

We need to take advantage of the opportunities available to us and our allies, to reach out, not just to the leaders of these countries for our own purposes, but also to develop a relationship for the people themselves so that they understand what Americans care about and that we actually care about the peace and prosperity of the entire world.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:35 AM
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14. Good for Edwards...
for evading that trap...I'm taking more and more of a liking and am really glad he did so well in Iowa...never expected such a great showing!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:53 AM
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15. Wonderful Answer! Edwards ROCKS!
I could not believe the FOX Bastards said he screwed up on this???
His answer showed real depth and understanding about HUMAN RELATIONS! I am a Clark person but Edwards did fantastic tonight! Edwards is my second choice and just barely. His answer about poverty and his way of communicating his concern was AWESOME!!! Edwards makes me proud as hell to be a Democrat! I wish Clark and Edwards could both be president. Co-Leaders!
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:27 AM
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21. Hmmm
Our friends at NPR are using this as one of the examples of Edwards not being up to par.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:03 AM
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16. Is there a transcript link?
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:12 AM
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17. The candidates...
They bested the media whores.
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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:23 AM
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18. Karl Rove
He got to test out a bunch of attack strategies with the ultimate focus group...and the people who organized it thought they were paying to put on a debate.

Kerry and Edwards did well; I've heard the same answers from Clark about these non-issues, I was hoping he would actually get asked about domestic policy. I guess the Republicans found out early he could handle serious questions in the first few (hundred) debates. The worst thing about Dean's performance was his cold, nobody looks good when they're under the weather. I suppose that means for this debate, he did well. I thought Sharpton and Kucinich had each done better in earlier debates. Joe played the part Faux had in mind for him, token Republican, fairly well.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:26 AM
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20. I totally agree, except I thought Dean handled things beautifully.
This was the most nauseating set of irrelevant questions I've seen yet.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:38 AM
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23. Dean was great given his cold,
imo. Kucinich didn't do too bad, but I agree with you that both he and Sharpton have done better before.

I wasn't thrilled with my man's answer to the e-mailed energy question because I don't think he ever answered the actual question. That's a rarity but it bothered me enough that I'm sending word to the campaign higher-ups today.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:30 AM
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22. Kerry won...but the loser was
clearly Faux. I'm penning a letter to the DNC to urge them to stop using Faux for debates...that debate was a loser..those moderators were idiots...Jennings included.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:57 AM
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24. Well one thing these debates
are doing is bringing to light all my favorite media folks for what they really are. I had no idea Jennings could be so assinine! I used to respect him, until last night.
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