Al Sharpton posed the most fundamental question State/Federal issue

[grisvador]

There are those times that I find myself really liking Al Sharpton and wondering "What the hell am I doing agreeing with this guy"

But last night - I was struck by his courage at asking ourselves about fundamental rights that should be protected by the Federal Government and not left up to individual states. Right after other candidates dodged the issue by saying let every state decide...I was even agreeing with them until Sharpton spoke.

While I am usually an advocate of State's rights over the Federal Government (big brother), I find myself torn. Should the Federal Government get involved to protect all citizens or should it be left up to the states to allow civil unions/marriages/partnerships/whatever you want to call it in your state between same sex couples.

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. Forget about gay people and ask the same question about Asians, or Jews

or women. Or people in wheelchairs.

The problem with dancing around with equal protection under the law is that "equal" is a pretty straightforward concept, and a broad one.

The same states' rights argument was made very effectively by pro-slavery factions in the 1800s, and more recently by supporters of legalized racial apartheid.

The question is an excellent, if less poetic illustration of the famous Niemuller poem ("when they came for the ....")

Those who advocate a separate but equal tier of "equal protection" for their gay brothers today, may be less enthusiastic about the right of their state of residence to put THEM in the colored waiting room.

[grisvador]

2. Yes - its eloquence should be utilized

Niemoller's Poem
A poem by Pastor Martin Niemoller, Berlin, 1939.
Niemoller was a pastor in the German Confessing Church
who spent eight and one-half years in a Nazi concentration camp.

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out--because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out--because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out--because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Niemoller's address to the U.S. Congress

The exact text of what Martin Niemoller said,
and which appears in the Congressional Record,
October 14, 1968, page 31636 is:

"When Hitler attacked the Jews
I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church --
and there was nobody left to be concerned."

[jpgray]

4. Exactly right (nt)

[On the Road]

3. Yes, the FEDERAL Government

should be the guarantor of individual rights. Integration could not have been left to the states. Al was right on with that remark.

Now, whether marriage is a constitutional right (for gay people or anyone else) is another question...

[mmonk]

5. Yes

that battle has already been fought. It was called the civil war.

[morgan2]

6. the only reason people claim "states rights"

is because they're to cowardly to take a devisive position.