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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:16 PM
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Poll question: Did Dean's"primal scream" affect your support of him?
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:21 PM
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1. Yes. He's not my first choice at this point, but he moved up
to 2nd because of the overblown coverage.

I chose Other becasue you don't have a "Yes, I support him even more now"
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vision Donating Member (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:50 AM
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29. Ditto
:) Kucinich is my first choice but the passion that Dean shows has made him more likable IMO than before.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:23 PM
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2. I pull for whoever I think has the best chance of beating shrub. period.
That knocked him down in points for me
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:23 PM
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3. It's a non-issue.
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LiberalTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:30 PM
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6. Of course it's a non-issue!
Unless all you read is "USA Today".... I think we have more intelligent people than that around here...too bright to be duped by a media blitz that tries to pigeon-hole a candidate.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:33 PM
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8. ' Unless all you read is "USA Today" '

You have described millions of voters with this comment.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:24 PM
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21. They'll "Gore" any candidate. I expected this. I expect more.
I expect it to happen to any Democrat who shows up on their radar.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:27 PM
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4. I voted other...
It's a non issue.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:27 PM
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5. It was really surprising, but I still support him
Maybe I feel a little different, but it may take me a bit to sort my feeling out on this business.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:31 PM
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7. We welcome all former Dean supporters!
Hey, folks!

If you really are thinking about backing somebody other than Dr. Dean, may I humbily suggest that you take a good hard look at Congressman Dennis Kucinich by reading his words and listening to his recorded messages at http://www.kucinich.us/ ?

We are a "Big Tent" campaign, and every bit as grass-roots as the Dean campaign.

Personally, I wouldn't say a thing bad about Dean or about his honest enthusiasm the other day in Iowa. I just differ with him on matters of policy, so he is not my choice for President.

Please give Dennis an honest chance to win your heart and vote!

Thank You So Much!

-Ben Burch
White Rose Society Webmaster
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:33 PM
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9. Hey! Primal Screams are very HEALTHY! I've done a few myself.......
:D
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:36 PM
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10. "Other"
It was not his scream that changed my views on Dean.

It was the aftermath.

From the fire, rose a phoenix.

My opinion of Dean has changed. I no longer see a politician, I see a human being - one of great courage, great vulnerability, and great humility.

Though I turned in my Dean-bashing card weeks ago, I turned in my skepticism card last night.
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waterman Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:45 PM
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11. No, especially when I heard this:
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:46 PM
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12. Here's my answer a must Read
Via this person who answered a scathing letter in the Oregonian: Her response says it all.

Dear Mr. Sarasohn:

Your column in this morning's Oregonian was a disappointment to me. I've
enjoyed your sharing of your thoughts over past years and have looked
forward to reading your assessment of whatever issue was current in the
news. I've respected your keenness in seeing through the many smokescreens
created by members of the media. Unfortunately, in my view, in today's
column you failed.

I am a 74-year-old, life-long Democrat who, prior to learning about Howard
Dean last April, despaired that George Bush could be defeated in 2004 by
any of the then-declared Democratic candidates. While they made valid
points, not one of them showed any passion or strength. The campaign
portended to hold nothing new. The candidates would point out in measured
tones the errors of Republican ways, then Bush would be reelected. In the
crises that would arise, Democrats would protest but eventually,
regretfully "support the president." Many Democrats were furious at this
behavior and felt that we had no representation at all.

Then came Howard Dean. Democrats had a reason to hope again. Here was a
candidate taking positions Democrats longed to hear and was taking them
passionately. I and over 600,000 other Democrats have been working our
hearts out for Howard Dean, believing he is the only candidate who has a
chance to defeat George Bush and restore this country to the democracy we
have known.

So, I and thousands of other Dean supporters ranging in age from 14 to 86
were in Des Moines last weekend to do all that we could to support Howard
Dean in the Iowa caucus. Of course we were disappointed that we hadn't
prevailed but we were a long way from feeling defeated.

What the media has described as a "screaming speech" was neither delivered
in a scream, not was it a speech. The event was a political rally which
culminated five days of canvassing thousands of Iowa homes in very cold
temperatures. The hall was packed with enthusiastic Dean supporters.
Music, media, hundreds of excited conversations lent a party atmosphere.
Senator Tom Harken gave a fine, passionate introduction. Governor Dean
entered to a huge, lengthy ovation, then thanked the crowd for the hard
work that had been done and roused people to continue the effort in New
Hampshire and across the country. It was a wonderful, fulfilling event for
all of us who were there. There was nothing inappropriate to the occasion.
Dr. Dean never "screamed," he was never "out of control," he was never
"over the top," whatever that is. Granted, he shouted, as had Senator
Harken. They had to, to be heard over the crowd. Soon after, the crowd
dispersed to the Girl Scout camps, private homes and motels where people
were staying. We left, uplifted by Dr. Dean's passion and enthusiasm, to
continue the campaign.

The irresponsibility of the national media in completely misrepresenting
the nature of the Dean campaign rally is deeply disturbing to me. Of a
population near 3,000,000, only a tiny number have ready access daily to
present their viewpoints to the American people. When those people present
their personal biases as truth they do a great disservice to the nation and
shame their calling. I, and I speak for many others, have lost all
confidence in the national media. Despite that, I have retained respect
for you and a few other writers who are willing to resist the tide. I hope
you will be more discerning in the future.

Sincerely,

Margaret J. Tims
Portland, Oregon 97202

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:59 PM
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16. That's exactly perfect
I wish she was my next door neighbor.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:18 PM
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19. Beautiful. nt
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:54 PM
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13. Was a big fan then
and an even bigger one now. That man is passionate and determined to improve life for all americans. He deserves a big thank you in my opinion.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:54 PM
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14. I like him better now.
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:56 PM
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15. I was 100 % before, I'm 1000 % now.
And so should you be.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:15 PM
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17. These poll results suggest Dean lost 1/6th of support at DU.
Is that what the NH polls suggest?
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:17 PM
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18. That assumes those answering in affirmative were ever Dean supporters.
Which I seriously doubt.

We know we have implacable enemies here.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:19 PM
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20. YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
I've dumped all interest in Kucinich and so I'm lined up behind Dean.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:32 PM
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22. It's January...
I think Dean's bottomed out and on his way back up. With his money, that makes him very much alive.

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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:34 PM
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23. He was my No. 2, now I wrote him off
At least in the primaries. Not so much because I don't like him, just that I think he'll be a laughinstock and dont' realistically see his campaign recovering.

Edwards filled his spot rather nicely.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:40 AM
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24. Other
I'll never give up on my man Dennis, but the media BS of constantly recirculating an out-of-context unattractive moment seriously pisses me off.

I sure wish Americans could see Bush chest-thumping before his war speech last year a few hundred times in a couple of days.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12761184&method=full&siteid=50143

Later, just seconds before he went on TV to tell the world war had started, he vigorously pumped his fist and declared: "I feel good." The extraordinary gesture was in stark contrast to the furrowed brow and look of concern he adopted for the subsequent broadcast.

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/03/21_groom.html

As reported in the Washington Post, the White House is quite peeved that video of Bush getting groomed and acting jolly was broadcast prior to his "we're bombing Iraq" announcement:

The White House is vowing a strong retaliatory response after the BBC aired live video of President Bush getting his hair coiffed in the Oval Office as he squirmed in his chair and practiced on the teleprompter minutes before Wednesday night's speech announcing the launch of military operations against Saddam Hussein. (
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:41 AM
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25. took him from unelectable to just very sad
n/t
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:43 AM
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26. Where is the option for puting me more firmly in his corner?
Other doesnt get it.

Or better yet wheres the option for making someone switch to Dean?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:45 AM
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27. YEEEEAAAGHHH!
I like him even better now!
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DEM FAN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 12:46 AM
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28. I Will Be With Dean100%.
Lets Take Our Country Back. ;-)
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:18 AM
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30. I liked Dean before...
but his "screech" cinched it for me.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:20 AM
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31. other: YES: I like him more
because the party establishment doesn't
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