Kerry's calling Clark a repuke, am I the only 1 bothered by this?

[jpgpenn]

Why does Kerry and his campaign need to spin such garbage about a man Kerry once called friend? This is a Character issue of Kerry. This man will say and do anything for a vote. I ask that his supporters ( which I once was ) to contact his campaign and ask why they would do such a dispicable thing to a fellow Democrat!



The Kerry campaign has sent fliers to potential New Hampshire voters criticizing the general's lobbying, and in an e-mail sent to reporters over the weekend, Kerry spokesman Mark Kornblau said, "Wes Clark was a high-paid Republican Washington lobbyist who cashed in on his military record."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-clark20jan20,1,4504987.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

[xultar]

1. Need a link, please edit and post a link. n/t

[Jack_Dawson]

2. I thought Kerry called Clark "A Good Man"

last week. But then again that was last week...

[jpgpenn]

5. He actually called him a friend

a few weeks ago. then they started passing campaign lit in Iowa stating clark was repuke.

[Jerseycoa]

58. In Iowa? nt

[Terwilliger]

31. Said that Bush was "a good man trying to do good things"

He'll say anything, apparently.

[Shanty Oilish]

56. Source?

Kerry said that? Got a link?

ed: I seem to recall it, but would appreciate a refresher. (Clark's praise of Bush, which went much further, needs no reminder.)

[George_Bonanza]

60. Bush DOES think he's doing good things

He's not some anti-American trying purposely to bring down the U.S. from the inside. You know, if I knew George W. Bush as a regular man, I bet he'd a relatively nice guy. It's just that once people like that come into power, their flaws turn them very dangerous. I agree with Kerry in demonizing Bush the President, not Bush the Person.

[Jerseycoa]

61. Wow

:thumbsdown:

[not systems]

92. Some people will believe anything.

Like Iraq had WMD in 2003 and Bush is a good man.

People like this are not the answer but the problem.

[incapsulated]

3. Link? n/t

[LiberalBushFan]

4. I'm glad we have true Democrats like Kerry

who say calling Bush a deserter is over-the-top. I wish Kerry would be so Republican as Clark.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

7. Kerry's just covering for his frat-brother Bush

What did you expect?

[LiberalBushFan]

9. Not this.

I was fooled, I admit. I really thought he had learned from the IWR vote backlash, until now pretty much.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

95. you must be new here

:)

[Mz Pip]

11. Me, too

Clarks a Republican I would be happy to call Mr. President for the next 8 years.

Thing is, those kinds of accusations can backfire. Independents can vote in many primaries. They might just like that about Clark.

Funny thing, when Reagan ran for Governor and later President as a Republican, I don't remember the Republicans trashing him for have been a Democrat. And to top it off he is so beloved by the Republicans that they want to put his face on money.

Maybe we should stop being so hard on Wes's change of heart. He could end up being a President beloved by the Democrats.

MzPip
:dem:

[Jerseycoa]

6. When? Where? Link?

Please.

[Raya]

8. Never heard Kerry say this. Source Please. Kerry Close to Clark in Past

[overground1]

10. What do you think Kerry's "The Real Deal" is all about?

It's aimed directly at Clark. This much I know as a fact.

[IndianaGreen]

12. This is a character flaw in Kerry!

Kerry is probably behind all of the attacks against Clark. The press reported during Iowa that Kerry was collaborating with Gephardt to stop Dean. Gephardt self-destructed in the process, like a good kamikaze, while Kerry was the main beneficiary.

Kerry engaged in similar tactics when he beat popular Governor William Weld when Kerry ran for reelection in 1996.

[jpgpenn]

13. The info will be provide as soon as i can get back online

If this is locked I will for sure start again with the info You ask for. i know most here have seen the multiple posts here when Kerry's campaignb was passing the literature around Iowa stating this. I just dont have the time now.

[Loren645]

24. The column is in the LA times, link below

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-clark20jan20,1,4504987.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

It's especially nasty that Kerry seems to be taking swings
at General Clark after the Faux ambush. It's like they're
working in concert.

[lcordero]

14. I'm not bothered by this

It takes one to know one.

[leftyandproud]

15. YES, and you should be...

Did you hear the Clark quote read by Hume in last night's debate??? My GAWD! After hearing that, how anybody can put serious faith in Clark is a mystery to me...

(paraphrasing)

"Liberation is at hand! The people of Iraq have finally been freed. President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of what they have done, and proud of the fact that they stood strong in the face of so much doubt and criticism."--Wesley Clark, April 02

[jpgpenn]

16. Edwards the new Repuke Dean alternative

Edwards has ZERO experience with domestic or foriegn affairs. Bush had more experince then edwards when appointed pres!

[spooky3]

34. and your evidence is...?

Here's evidence to the contrary:

Edwards--Senate intelligence committee and other work in the Senate

Bush--no federal office of any kind; governorship that was in name only, no real authority

Add Edwards' Senate experience to his 20 years building and managing and extremely successful business, vs. *'s years of getting drunk and running businesses Daddy gave him into the ground. Add Edwards' personal qualities, such as intelligence, and values, vs. *'s--well, I need not say more.

There is NO comparison to Bush on any count.

[QC]

50. I don't think that Bush's time in the whorehouses of Juarez

counts as foreign affairs experience ;-)

[Leilani]

66. LOL

Would have made a great Gore line in 2000.

[LiberalBushFan]

17. You should be proud you let Brit Hume convince you of these things

Just keep the quote without the surrounding context, just like Brit Hume. I bet you still haven't looked at the whole article.

[Mz Pip]

18. Do your homework

and read the rest of the article. You might be surprised at what comes next.

MzPip
:dem:

[jpgpenn]

19. I did my homework!

This is from the same guy that said Bush as a deserter was "OVER THE TOP". i read that entire article. there was NO reasonm what so ever for this guy to take this approach with Clark, except to get votes.Kerry is a slime ball!

[Jerseycoa]

22. I might be joining the IndianaGreen Club nt

[mikehiggins]

25. Actually it might have bothered me the first thousand times or

so that I heard it but then again I'm a grown up who knows how the world works so it didn't.

Now Dennis making a deal with Edwards to get delegates, THAT surprised me but I guess you guys can handle it, right?

[wabeewoman]

54. I'm glad you noticed that

and I'm surprised nobody is talking about it. I really thought Kunich was more principled. I was a littled disappointed about that.

[Skwmom]

29. I wonder why they keep repeating the SAME passage

from a very lengthy article? Hmmm... maybe because they are distorting what Clark wrote. I read the actual article and yes that's it.

[Raya]

20. link does not support title at all.

[LiberalBushFan]

23. What part doesn't support the title?

The part where Kerry directly calls Clark a Republican?

[Loren645]

21. I think it's important for people to know about Kerry's duplicity

"The Clark campaign has called on Kerry, as well as Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, who also has criticized Clark's lobbying work, to reveal all their meetings with lobbyists.

Bill Buck, Clark's press secretary, said Monday that Clark is "running a positive campaign. Sen. Kerry, who in Iowa is decrying negative campaigning, is running one of the most negative campaigns" in New Hampshire."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-clark20jan20,1,4504987.story?coll=la-headlines-nation


Ah, the fine Yale blueblood boner breeding sure shows in Kerry's
gentlemanly behavior. Right.

[IndianaGreen]

27. Kerry married the Heinz widow, her late husband was a Bonesman too!

Some other prominent Bonesmen include:

Henry Luce ('20), Time-Life
John Thomas Daniels ('14), founder Archer Daniels Midland
Gifford Pinchot ('89), President Theodore Roosevelt's chief forester
Frederick E. Weyerhaeuser ('96)
Harold Stanley ('08), founder of Morgan Stanley, investment banker
Alfred Cowles ('13), Cowles Communication
Henry P. Davison ('20), senior partner Morgan Guaranty Trust
Thomas Cochran ('04) Morgan partner
Senator John Heinz ('31)
Pierre Jay ('92), first chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
George Herbert Walker, Jr. ('27), financier and co-founder of the NY Mets
Artemus Gates ('18), President of New York Trust Company, Union Pacific, TIME, Boeing Company
William Draper III (50), the Defense Department, UN and Import-Export Bank
Dean Witter, Jr.('44), investment banker
Senator Jonathan Bingham ('36)
Potter Stewart ('36), Supreme Court Justice
Senator John Chaffe ('47)
Harry Payne Whitney ('94), husband of Gertrude Vanderbilt, investment banker
Russell W. Davenport ('23), editor Fortune Magazine, created Fortune 500 list
Evan G. Galbraith ('50), Ambassador to France and Managing Director of Morgan Stanley
Richard Gow ('55), president Zapata Oil
Amory Howe Bradford ('34), husband of Carol Warburg Rothschild and general manager for the New York Times
C. E. Lord ('49), Comptroller of the Currency
Winston Lord ('59), Chairman of CFR, Ambassador to China and assistant Secretary of State in the Clinton administration

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm

[absyntheNsugar]

33. Here's why the Bonesman smear won't stick

Gifford Pinchot ('89), President Theodore Roosevelt's chief forester

Gifford Pinchot, if he were alive today, would most likely be part of Earth First. He was known for blowing up (as in with explosives) Logging sites when the workers had left, had a habit of designing parks and hiding the statues with trees. The man was the first Eco-warrior.

Skull and Bones is nothing more than college homoerotic play. John Sununu was in my fraternity (Phi Sigma Kappa) yet I would never cover his sorry ass.

[Zinnola]

26. I don't trust Kerry

as a Dean supporter who will support Clark also should Clark win, I am not surprised that Kerry has stooped to these antics. He presents as egotistical and one that wants to win at all costs.

I will support Clark because he is againist the Iraq war, unlike Kerry, who btw was againist the First Iraq War???? WTF?? Another post.

[maxanne]

28. better

get used to it. You're gonna keep on hearing it from every direction.

[xultar]

30. OK now I'm PISSED!! n/t

[lurk_no_more]

32. Yes I am very disappointed Kerry would resort to this

Kerry's my "second" choice just for this reason, to point out another candidates different views and differences while clarifying yours is politics, to blatantly lie about another is chicken-shit and shows a very desperate approach to win, especially when it wasn't necessary.

I was hoping John would've recognized that down playing the negativity worked in Iowa and would've carried it through to NH, but it just said alot to me who John Kerry really is.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[windansea]

35. you don't understand

Kerry deserves it........

[HuckleB]

36. I am honestly starting to doubt Kerry.

I want to believe that he is among a top four that can win, is willing to win, and is ethical enough to represent the party proudly. However, I am seriously starting to have my doubts about the man and his campaign. I don't want to admit this. I really don't. But it's what I am seeing. How can I feel any different. Please convince me that I am off base. Please.

[ChemEng]

76. I am as well......too scripted.

[hilzoy]

94. There's this:

From TNR: http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=cohn012304
""From Enron to WorldCom to the mutual fund scandals that have shaken the trust and savings of Americans, a widespread creed of greed on Wall Street has been met by a look-the-other way attitude in the Bush White House," Kerry said in another recent speech. "It's time our government sent a different message." Back in February, 2002, when former Enron CEO Ken Lay appeared before members of the U.S. Senate, Kerry was even more harsh: "Americans everywhere are shocked that you have no answer to explain how Enron executives escaped this sinking ship with their fortunes intact while thousands of everyday working Americans were left holding the bag, robbed of their retirement savings."

But Kerry shouldn't be shocked at all. Back in 1995, he backed a controversial measure that severely limited the ability of investors to sue companies engaged in fraudulent accounting practices--a legal change widely believed to have contributed to the accounting scandals of the last few years. The law, which consumer groups opposed vociferously precisely because they feared it would lead to white-collar crime, was part of Newt Gingrich's Contract With America. Yet Kerry voted for it anyway, not once but twice--the second time overriding a veto by President Clinton.

<snip>

During the initial debate over the bill on the Senate floor, Kerry, a member of the committee with jurisdiction over banking, acknowledged the legislation's shortcomings. "My preference also would have been to include stronger investor recovery provisions," he said, noting that he had supported failed Democratic amendments that would have softened the bill's impact. But unlike 26 of his Democratic colleagues and a handful of Republicans (Arlen Specter and John McCain among them) for whom such problems were cause enough to oppose the bill, Kerry embraced it anyway. "On balance," he said, "this legislation should lead to the creation of a more favorable climate for investors and businesses." After Clinton vetoed the bill, Kerry voted to override the president--a motion that passed the Senate by one vote. It was the first time a Clinton veto failed, leaving the White House to say merely that Clinton "hopes that the unintended consequences of the legislation actually do not occur."

As we all now know, the consequences did occur. The Enron case is just the most famous example of a company cooking its books while accountants looked the other way, costing investors hundreds of millions of dollars (not to mention throwing thousands of employees out of work). And while it would be grossly unfair to blame it all on the Securities Reform Litigation Act, many experts think the law played a critical role in the scandals--partly by insulating auditors and other would-be watchdogs from the threat of lawsuits. It "substantially reduced the liability of accountants and other corporate gatekeepers," says Columbia University law professor John Coffee, an expert on securities regulation who advised the Clinton White House on this issue in 1995. "It's reasonable to infer that ... the extent that auditors no longer felt the pressure of litigation, it became easier to acquiesce at the margins to a fraud that they might not otherwise allow to happen."

James Cox, a securities expert at Duke Law School, is even more blunt when asked whether the 1995 law contributed to the Enron scandals: "You betcha," he says."

(Edited to change title)

[hilzoy]

93. Well, there's this:

From the Boston Globe, http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/062103.shtml

"Still, Kerry's views could be fickle, even on foreign policy. After the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, Kerry suggested that the United States needed to give Saddam Hussein enough diplomatic "wiggle room" to leave Kuwait without losing face. He then voted against the congressional resolution authorizing military force, but became an enthusiastic supporter of the war as the allied coalition drove to victory in early 1991. His position was so nuanced that his office couldn't keep up with the changes, at one point mistakenly mailing out letters to his constituents that appeared to take both sides in the debate.

On Jan. 22, 1991, Kerry's office sent a letter to a constituent, thanking him for expressing opposition to the deployment of additional US troops in Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf. "I share your concerns," Kerry wrote, noting that on Jan. 11 he had voted in favor of a resolution opposing giving the president immediate authority to go to war and seeking to give economic sanctions more time to work.

On Jan. 31, the same constituent received a letter stating that, "From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf."

Kerry blamed the mix-up on a computer error and subsequently wrote in defense of his position on the Gulf war: "The debate in the Senate was not about whether we should or should not have used force, but when force should be used.""

[quaker bill]

37. I am bothered too

It is just unnecessary. Why resort to name calling? I have no problem with them citing each others records. That is perfectly legit, as long as they stay close to the truth. There are plenty of actual policy differences between them to debate.

Wes can call himself a Democrat. It is a big party and we don't have an entrance exam.

[bicentennial_baby]

38. If anyone wants to see scans of the flyer

pm me for a link. I don't want to post them here. They refer to both Clark and Dean.

[jpgpenn]

85. here are the new 1's he is pushing in NH

http://bmcw.forclark.com/story/2004/1/23/222022/594/

What a slimeball Kerry is!

[mikehiggins]

39. IT does bother me but not as much as what we'll have to deal with

if Kerry wins the nod.

I have in mind a few million postcards with a picture of Jane Fonda and John Kerry with the caption, "living the high life with Jane Fonda while US soldiers and airmen like McCain and Eagleton suffered in VietCong prisons"

Oh. I'm sorry. You guys forgot all about that?

Wanna guess who didn't?

How far will the "Bush was AWOL" stuff fly in the face of "Kerry is a traitor"?

I listened to Kerry on Crossfire when he told Gebala that it was generally agreed that people would not visit that era, and look instead towards the future.

Who the fuck does he think he is running against? Bob Dole?

As soon as the nomination is done with the White House is going to be mailing out those postcards and hiring buses full of vets to follow Kerry from campaign stop to campaign stop so they can wave signs calling him "traitor".

Lets have a show of hands as to how many people think that won't be exactly what happens? Or that FAUX won't be there each and every time to put it on the air?

I sometimes think that people on DU have learned just as little about what is really going on as any of those people that get labeled "sheeple" on this board.

Wake up folks! There's a war on. The Real Deal Express is a death trap, a suicide rap, and the game will be over as soon as our convention is if Kerry is the candidate.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong.

What do you think?

[chiburb]

41. What do I think?

I think I'm glad you're posting again. Your insight is thoughtful and intelligent and appreciated.
As for this thread, I can't figure out if it's anti Kerry or Clark...
Maybe that's why I'm still undecided but ABB.

[HuckleB]

42. Unfortunately, that's a very good point.

And, after Kerry's reteats on television today, it's an even better point.

We won't win by retreating. Not this time. It's going to be bloody, and you can't retreat in the hope of keeping your hands clean, if you hope to win the war.

[Leilani]

57. Can you explain the Kerry/Fonda thing?

Are there pictures of them together during Vietnam protests?

Did he support her treasonous activities, that caused POW's to be tortured?

Ive been really upset today, because it looks like everthing is back to politics as usual. But after reading about some of this stuff, I am starting to get really mad.

[frustrated_lefty]

40. As a Dean supporter

I'd love to sit back and watch Kerry "implode." As a democrat, I recommend you Kerryites jump on his ass and point out the joyous benefits of negative campaigning as shown in Iowa.

I'll also say it's time to circle the wagons, with the guns facing outside.

Circle the wagons, ignore the spin, and talk about issues. That's how we win.

[Shanty Oilish]

43. Dean: I think Clark's a Republican

At least they agree on something!

Clark's quite a whiner, isn't he? Just the other day he belittled Kerry's military rank, as if the point was worth making. Clark expects a lot more respect than he dishes out. He even expects better treatment from reporters, to judge from his post-debate complaints.

For such a recent registrant in the party it's a little surprising he isn't more thick-skinned.

[Jerseycoa]

45. Clark has run a very positive campaign

In the first clip below Clark is goaded by Bob Dole into saying Kerry was a lieutenant. In the second clip, Clark defends Kerry against negative remarks about Kerry made by a former-Dean supporter vet who was introducing Clark at a town hall meeting.


The General appears on Larry King Live following the Iowa Caucus.
CNN (1/19/04) File Size: 11.1 MB

http://www.videos4clark.com/vidclips/CNN_LKL_011904.WMV


The General holds a "Conversations with Clark" town hall meeting with voters in Rochester, NH.
cspan (1/21/04)

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04012104_clark.rm?start=6:26.0

These clips may be viewed from:

http://www.us4clark.com/mediaclips.html

[Shanty Oilish]

53. Sure, blame the one-armed man!

Worked for Richard Kimble.
Is the brilliant general so easily goaded? And is this about rank? Clark's response was petty and unbecoming HIS rank.

[jpgpenn]

86. First Kerry defends * and now you defend Dole?

What is with Kerry and some of his supporters. We are Democrats here.

[Guaranteed]

49. Clark only said that on a whim when he was put on the spot by Bob Dole

He didn't know what to say in response to Dole's joke.

[Shanty Oilish]

55. He didn't know what to say? To Dole's joke? What'll he do in debate

with Bush?
Generals ought not to be so easily tweaked, and former philosophy professors ought never to be at a loss for what to say.
Let the man live up to his hype, or cease it.

[NNN0LHI]

70. Dole was not making a joke. He was insulting Clark on national television

It is an old military trick to address someone a few ranks below where they actually are to dis' them. Kind of like calling a grown man "boy". If he would have handled the attack any less forcefully I would not have respected him. He did exactly what he should have done in that situation. Just wanted to clear that up.

Don

[lazarus]

63. Clark has never once belittled Kerry's rank

Calling Kerry a "junior officer" is not belittling him. He was a junior officer.

That Dole exchange has been thrashed out repeatedly, and still it keeps being brought up by people who either didn't see it, or simply want to believe the spin.

There was no belittling whatsoever. I'd appreciate a direct quote from you of any belittling you think you've heard.

[jpgpenn]

44. kick

before going to bed:kick:

[IndianaGreen]

46. At least no one has questioned Clark's medals, unlike the Kerry case!

Here is a small sample of the issues regarding the medals that Kerry earned in Vietnam. Kerry will have to answer these questions because failure to defend himself will raise questions about his conduct in Vietnam, and his character.

While we may dismiss the sources of these allegations as rightwing, the fact remains that the allegations will have to be answered simply because there seems to be some basis to them, they are not pure fabrications.

For example, we know today that the Navy wanted to court martial John F. Kennedy for dereliction of duty in the sinking of PT 109, but that after intervention by Ambassador Joseph Kennedy, Jack was given a medal instead. These are two undisputed facts: Navy wanted to court martial Jack Kennedy, and Kennedy got a medal.

There are allegations that Kerry may have not been the "hero" that many people think he is:

John Kerry: The Chameleon Senator
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
October-December 1996 Issue

Recently, Kerry became extremely defensive when David Warsh, an economics columnist for The Boston Globe, questioned the circumstances for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star. Kerry, who was in a close re-election battle with Gov. William F. Weld, a Republican, quickly gathered his former crew from his Swift boat days to rebuff the "assault on his integrity."

According to the official citation accompanying the Silver Star for Kerry's actions on the waters of the Mekong Delta on February 28, 1969: "Kerry's craft received a B-40 rocket close aboard. Once again Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry ordered his units to charge the enemy positions. . . Patrol Craft Fast 94 then beached in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft 94 and fled. Without hesitation Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber." In an article printed in the October 21st and 28th 1996 edition of The New Yorker, Kerry was asked about the man he had killed.

"It was either going to be him or it was going to be us. It was that simple. I don't know why it wasn't us--I mean, to this day. He had a rocket pointed right at our boat. He stood up out of the hole, and none of us saw him until he was standing in front of us, aiming a rocket right at us, and, for whatever reason, he didn't pull the trigger--he turned and ran. He was shocked to see our boat right in front of him. If he'd pulled the trigger, we'd all be dead . . . I just won't talk about all of it. I don't and I can't. The things that probably really turn me I've never told anybody. Nobody would understand," Kerry said. In the column, Warsh quoted the Swift boat's former gunner, Tom Belodeau, as saying the Viet Cong soldier who Kerry chased "behind a hootch" and "finished off" actually had already been wounded by the gunner.

Warsh wrote that such a "coup de grace" would have been considered a war crime. Belodeau stood beside Kerry and said he'd been misquoted. He conceded that he had fired at and wounded the Viet Cong, but denied Kerry had simply executed the wounded Viet Cong. Dan Carr, a former Marine from Massachusetts, who served 14 months as a rifleman sloshing around in the humid jungles of I Corps, South Vietnam, questioned whether or not Kerry deserved a Silver Star for chasing and killing a lone, wounded, retreating Viet Cong. "Kerry is certainly showing some sensitivity there. Most people I knew in Vietnam were just trying to pull their time there and get the hell out. There were some, though, who actually used Vietnam to get their tickets punched. You know, to build their resumes for future endeavors," Carr said.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story10.htm

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry

On March 13, 1969, a mine detonated near Kerry's boat, slighting wounding Kerry in the right arm. He was awarded his third Purple Heart.

When later asked about the severity of the wounds, Kerry said that one of them cost him about two days of service, and that the other two did not interrupt his duty. "Walking wounded," as Kerry put it.
After his third Purple Heart Kerry requested to be sent home. Navy rules, he pointed out, allowed a thrice-wounded soldier to return to the United States immediately.

Commodore Charles F. Horne, an administrative official and commander of the coastal squadron in which Kerry served, filled out a document on March 17, 1969, that said Kerry had "been thrice wounded in action while on duty incountry Vietnam. Reassignment is requested ... as a personal aide in Boston, New York, or Wash., D.C. area."

Having engineered an early transfer out of the conflict because of his three Purple Hearts, John Kerry returned home to a sweet assignment as an admiral's aide in April 1969.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

[JohnOneillsMemory]

62. Is going home from Vietnam after 3 injuries considered 'wimping out?'

I'm amazed to see posts that seem to imply that Kerry wasn't sufficiently injured to warrant going home or get medals.

This is just beyond my comprehension. Who wouldn't go home from a horror-show life-threating war zone?

"Gee, war isn't all that bad. What a pussy..."

Let's all read Catch-22 again, shall we?

[IndianaGreen]

64. Kerry was a "walking wounded"

Clark had life-threatening wounds.

[LiberalBushFan]

65. Maybe that's why Kerry is trying to put AWOL to rest n/m

[jpgpenn]

69. Thanks for this post

[Lobo_13]

47. Isn't it clear yet?

Kerry's obsession with being president has turned a once good man into a honorless, soulless beast who will say and do anything it takes to get elected.

It certainly explains alot of his voting choices lately.

[HuckleB]

48. I don't know what's going on with Kerry and his campaign.

But I know I don't like what I see.

[Jerseycoa]

51. They've gone very negative in NH

Do you know what it was like in Iowa?

[Lobo_13]

52. I'll tell you what it was like in Iowa

having been here and all.

Kerry/Gep took swipes at HD for months. They were making press releases every day that took swipes at him. They were prefacing just about every remark with "HD Bad". Gephardt was doing his best to convince seniors that HD was bent on dismantling Medicare.

Then about two weeks before the caucus, Kerry leaves Gep to do the murder/suicide thing and he pretends to not attack, meanwhile taking veiled swipes at Dean every time he opens his mouth. There were even rumors that Kerry was targeting Dean in the Jewish community, telling them that he was anti-semitic (this is just rumbling I heard on the ground.)

Then, to top it all off, he starts cribbing from Dean's message and trying to pass it off as his.

He's a fake right down to his little pointy shoes. And he has no sense of irony. How else could he say "We need solutions, not slogans." and keep a straight face?

Kerry/Gep made the fight ugly in IA. But Kerry did out-hustle us.

[HuckleB]

59. No, I don't.

But I do recall negative stuff before that.

At this point, I don't trus Kerry at all. On top of that, I don't think that he's willing to fight Bush, which makes him unelectable in the GE, in my opinion. Ugh.

[Leilani]

67. Agreed

I'm not very pleased with the New Hampshire picture that is
unfolding.

[jpgpenn]

77. kudos

I agree 100%:toast:

[KittyWampus]

89. This Is The Most Honest Assessment of Kerry Yet

[not systems]

68. Clark getting boned.

Welcome to the out crowd.

Go Dean!!!

[lurk_no_more]

74. from deans position in NH

it would appear that the message from Iowa carried through and is still on course, welcoming someone to the club indicates a clear choice in your acceptance to have the leader in being boned by Kerry.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[Ms. Wonderful]

71. This is indicative of painful

democratic primaries of the past.

I just read where one Dean supporter here says if Dean doesn't get the nomination, he will vote Socialist Party.

This is all well and good if it weren't for what will happen if Bush is reelected.

Think of the judges; the strengthening of Patriot Act III; the widening of the classes.

I'm depressed now.

[cthrumatrix]

72. and now the negative flyers "on-line" at clarks site....it seems a bit

much

[Kahuna]

73. Sticks and stones..

It doesn't bother me.

[artr2]

75. This is the one thing I could agree with Kerry about

nt

[democratreformed]

78. No, I am upset as well... but, alas, I am used to it

from various angles. After all, it has been the most popular talking point of several camps since Clark first made the announcement that he was entering the race.

[jpgpenn]

79. I would get used to it from repuke but not from...

fellow Dems. I can't say it enough, this is a major character flaw of Kerry's. If he is willing to do something so distasteful as this what would he do when under greater pressure if president?

I put Kerry in a very close group with Lieberman. They are people we don't need representing us.

[democratreformed]

82. It is so disheartening

Makes me want to scream!!

[robbedvoter]

80. Almost left the party over this. But I am more of a Dem than Kerry

because voring rights, stolen elections matter to me! here's my whole rant:
http://www.forclark.com/story/2004/1/22/123713/717

[jpgpenn]

81. Thanks for your post

:toast:

[Walt Starr]

83. I'm kind of glad I woke up and found out Kerry is on the attack today

It damaged Gephardt and Dean in Iowa and it should demolish Kerry in New Hampshire.

[jpgpenn]

84. you live by the sword you die by the sword!

[MODemocrat]

90. I'm a lifelong Missourian, and I'm ashamed of Dick Gephardt

In my opinion, he just got in the race to help bring Dean down, and I'm sorry I ever voted for him. :thumbsdown: Here's to you Gephardt!

[KittyWampus]

87. My Loathing For Kerry Has Not Peaked Yet

you know, my differences with Howard Dean were mainly over the gap between his Record and his current positions.

The more I witness Kerry, the less he exists in my eyes.

Very soon he will be permanently invisible.

[AnnitaR]

88. Yet Kerry may win the nom

for running such a "clean" campaign??

He's stays clean for ONE week and he is the annointed one? The way we are being PLAYED in this Primary is beyond sickening!

Can I bring up here how it was Kerry who thought it'd be a swell idea for the lovely Jim Baker to go to Middle East on the US's behalf. How did he respond when asked about this? Can't even post it...

General Clark has ALWAYS taken the high road in this campaign and look at the thanks he gets!

[NashVegas]

91. Yes, You Are

You see, it really doesn't matter if Kerry is calling Clark a Republican. It's only worth getting upset about if Dean calls Clark a Republican.

In other words: the Clark campaign already shot this wad.