Has Any Dem candidate won both NH and Iowa and not won the nomination?

[Patriot_Spear]

There's at least one... right?

Anybody have a link?

[CMT]

1. I thought I had heard

that Estes Kefauver in 1952 won Iowa caucues and NH primary and Adlai Stevenson was nominated.

[JVS]

2. From what my parents tell me the primaries were not as instrumental...

in deciding the candidate in those days. They say that backroom deals were much more prevalent then.

[helleborient]

3. Iowa caucuses have only existed since 1972...

So...no one has won both Iowa and NH and lost the nomination.

Kefauver won the primaries overall, but Democratic political bosses went around him as the people's choice to draft Stevenson instead, who lost 2 presidential elections for Democrats.

[JVS]

4. I am not sure that any Democrat could have won in 1952

The Democrats had been in the Whitehouse for TWENTY years and had been getting weaker results since 1936. Truman won a squeaker in 1948. People probably just wanted a change.

[JohnKleeb]

5. If Ike had ran as a dem he would have won

Thats what my grandfather says at least, he was 23 in 1952.

[JVS]

8. Yeah but the Republicans were probably more desparate to get him

after long periods of electoral failure parties are more likely to accept people who are not part of the party mainstream

[helleborient]

9. Ike was the anti-machine candidate for the Repubs. in 1952...

The Republican establishment, led by Robert Taft, tried to stop Eisenhower's nomination the way Dems. stopped Kefauver's, but the Repub establishment failed. The nominee chosen by the people in primaries won the Repub. nomination and then the election.

[helleborient]

6. Every nominee since then has won the nomination via the primaries

[Padraig18]

7. Where's goobergunch when you need him?

He'd know, I wager. :)

[goobergunch]

10. Here's what I found

2000 - Gore wins both and is nominated
1996 - Clinton wins both and is nominated
1992 - Harkin wins IA, Tsongas wins NH, Clinton is nominated
1988 - Gephardt wins IA, Dukakis wins NH and is nominated
1984 - Mondale wins IA and the nomination, Hart wins NH
1980 - Carter wins both and is nominated
1976 - Carter wins both and is nominated
1972 - Muskie wins both, but McGovern is nominated

http://www.drake.edu/journalism/CyberCaucus2000/history.html
http://www.politicallibrary.org/NHPrimary1952-1992.htm

[ajacobson]

11. Good info

thanks.

Re 1972, Muskie tanked in some (most?) part to Repub dirty tricks. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rove Administration might not try doing the same thing to Dr. Dean. For the record I hope the Repubs aren't that desperate but on the other hand I kinda wish they were that desperate if you know what I mean.

[Patriot_Spear]

12. So in your view, since Dean is projected to win- who is actually...

More like McGovern? Clearly it would have to be someone who does NOT win NH and Iowa.

[TexasSissy]

14. 1980 NH primary? Carter was the incumbent. Was there even

a primary in NH in 1980?

How about in 1996, when Clinton was the incumbent?

Other than these two instances, which I think clearly are different sorts of primaries than when there are really competing Democrats for the nomination (were there really primaries in such instances?), this is excellent info. Thanks!

[Bombtrack]

15. Ted Kennedy challenged Carter in 80

he probably won NH

[Zynx]

16. Oh hell yes there was a primary in '80. Remember Kennedy/Carter?

Most vicious primary against an incumbant in recent memory.

[Patriot_Spear]

13. So From what's been posted, the McGovern comparrison will go to...

Whoever doesn't win NH or Iowa, yet still seeks the nomination in earnest- what candidate fits the true McGovern model? Clealry it can't be front-runner Dean.