Clark Leads Big In Oklahoma

[59millionmorons]

In the Oklahoma primary, a new Survey USA Poll shows Wesley Clark leading with 32 percent, Sen. John Edwards is second at 23 percent, Sen. John Kerry is third at 17 percent and Howard Dean is fourth with 12 percent. "But Clark does not have momentum. Neither does Howard Dean, who has fallen to 4th."

[Jack_Dawson]

1. Some peak early, others when it counts

I'd rather peak in Feb-March.

[Maddy McCall]

2. Here's why: American Indian vote

As I said in another thread about Clark's great numbers in OK, he has the support of many American Indian groups in Oklahoma and other southwestern states.

He opposes the environmentally racist Yucca Mountain program and has promised to halt it if elected.

He has received the endorsement of the Abenakis in Vermont (Dean's home state), as well as other Indian groups.

The American Indian Congress leader has promised to mobilize at least one million American INdian votes in the Southwest to remove Bush from office. Clark seems to be a favorite in New Mexico also.

I am glad Clark is paying attention to American Indian demands. It's about time someone did.

[Namvet04]

3. Edwards will pass him in NH and everywhere else

The top 3 are now Kerry, Dean and Edwards. We have three great leaders to sort out who can win.

The debates will be good and these three will never waste time on a war fought 40 years ago and will offer programs americans need.

DK will back Edwards

Gep will back Edwards or Kerry

Should be interesting.

[Clark Can WIN]

4. Thanks for spreading the love

And reflecting so well on your candidate. :hi:

[arewethereyet]

7. and will you retract that if the NH results demonstrate this ?

there is evidence that this can occur.

Of course, our friends in NH will be having the actual say in this matter.

[Namvet04]

19. Sure will

Clark is sinking and edwards will pass him. He needs to worry not about edwards passing but falling behind Joe.

[delhurgo]

21. I agree. I think Clark may have blew his chance in the debate.

Its really bad news too, cuz I think he may have been the only candidate with a chance of beating Bush.

Clark's best when he shows strength and confidence; I didn't see that Thurs night. That first question about being a real dem seemed to knock him on his heels, and it seemed like it took him a while to recover. Then he got hit with the Michael Moore 'deserter' thing. That may play well to the left of the dem party, but to average voters it seems kind of kooky and a waste of time. I know he didn't bring it up, but now he's stuck with it, or I should say, its stuck on him.

He should have never gotten himself mixed up with Michael Moore in the first place. I knew that was a mistake when I saw the endorsement. I was shocked to see him have Moore play such a prominent role. I thought Clark was gonna run as sort of a centrist. Moore's a far-left Green, and very controversial. He's also an opportunist that I fear used General Clark for his own selfish reasons. All Moore wanted imo was to get close to a General and hope some patriotism would rub off. He knows a large portion of America considers him anti-american and hates his guts. Moore got what he wanted, but Clark got damaged in the bargain.

I think with a good debate General Clark really had a chance to knock off Dean and make a strong 2nd place showing in NH. Now I fear he'll have to fight to remain in third ahead of Edwards. I don't think its entirely over for him yet, but this makes things almost impossible.

[Namvet04]

22. I think is the only one of the top 4 that would lose big to bush

I think Edwards and Dean have a fresh new way of doing things. Kerry has a lot of potential but I am concern he will be our dole, an old senator we run over young men with new ideas. Clinton killed dole. Note all the things that are similar of dole and kerry. Great war and senate records. Just a concern.

Clark is sinking fast.

[delhurgo]

23. IMO Dean had potential because of his centrist/independent record...

... as gov of Vermont. But he surrounded himself with too many of the far-left of the party. I think he got himself boxed in and felt the need to continue to pander to them for fear that they would turn on him. He never moved to the center like I thought he would. I don't know what your politics are so I don't mean to offend, but you just cannot win if you can be painted as a 'liberal'. This is Kerry's biggest problem as well imo. He has an extremely liberal voting record. His Vietnam service is a huge positive, but his actions after the war are still controversial - even though the overwhelming majority consider the war a mistake.

Edwards I fear is too inexperienced. He's gaining confidence, but he too easily gets flustered. he looked particularly bad during the Hardball College Tour. I really think he's running now to be Kerry's veep.

I had hopes for Clark because he had no voting record and therefore could define himself as a centrist democrat. I'm afraid though that you cant win in a dem primary running as such. It takes an extremely skilled politician, like Clinton, to pull that off. And it doesn't matter anymore anyhow, I think Clark missed his chance.

I'm at a loss to say who I think has the best chance now. I guess I'd rank them Kerry, Dean, Edwards. I hate to say it, but at this point...well, let me put it this way, I wouldn't bet money against Bush being re-elected.

[Justice]

27. Interesting that

a veteran would not choose Kerry or Clark.

In fact, would be quite negative about both of them.

Hmmm.

[Quixote1818]

24. Only a small # of people watched the debate.

It may hurt Clark a little but just like Dean seems to be stabelizing from Iowa which I think most people wrote him off as dead Clark will stabelize as well. People have a short attention span. Hell Arnold Groped women and it didn't faze people. It seems like a lot of people are more upset with Fox than with Clark. The general will be fine.

[59millionmorons]

5. Ah

He has to atleast pass either Dean or Clark before your prediction can come true. He has not made up much ground at all in the recent polls.

[Namvet04]

I see Edwards risign fast and Clarke sinking

You can jump on me after NH if Clarke is in front of him. I think Clarke should be more concern to finish in front of Joe in NH. It will be Kerry, Dean, Edwards and either Joe or Clarke and I still think clarke will get a few more vote than Joe.

[bicentennial_baby]

9. Could you learn to spell his name?

Jeebus... :eyes:

[Namvet04]

14. Sorry, have a friend named Clarke - Thank you

Kerry, Dean, Edwards, Joe, and Clark or Clark and Joe

[_Jumper_]

26. Dean is sinking, Clark is stable or falling slightly

Edwards is rising slightly. If these trends continue Edwards will finish 2nd, Clark 3rd, and Dean 4th. Clark will finish in the top 3. After 2/3 we will either have a Kerry/Clark or Kerry/Edwards race and the former is much more likely since Clark is doing very well in 2/3 states.

[wyldwolf]

8. What I find funny about THAT post ...

...was the the fallacy upon which the conclusion was built...

Edwards will pass him in NH and everywhere else

A theory which leads to...

The top 3 are now Kerry, Dean and Edwards.

a conclusion stated as fact but built upon a theory.

[Namvet04]

11. Laugh at me after NH if I am wrong

Polls show clarke going the wrong way and Edwards the right way. I maybe be wrong and it could be Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Joe and Clarke. You need to watch these NH voters. Clarke is headed in the wrong direction. Mark my name down and give me a tough time if I am wrong but I listen today to a few people who really know what is going on there and I am going to trust them this time. Did not in Iowa.

By the way, everyone talks about Deans scream speech, what turn me on to Edwards was what he said after Iowa. I wish all could have heard it.

[leetrisck]

12. "waste time on a war 40 years ago" Maybe they all

should visit "the Wall" or shall we wait for the "new Wall" happen

[Namvet04]

15. Serve a few tours in Nam so I know what I am talking about

Kerry and I agree, on how to answer the Moore question last night.

Only lesson to learn about that war is never again.

[leetrisck]

18. Lots and lots of people from Viet Nam war know

what they're talking about.
Agree with "no more war" Will support any one of these candidates over the phony in the belt buckle.

[susanna]

16. Which programs that America needs...

Is Wesley Clark not offering?

Please elaborate, I'm intrigued.

[Namvet04]

17. I have tried to listen to clark and he does not make any sense

to me. I all over the place. One day he is for something and then the next he has a different view.

I am have 3 now to pick from that have been loyal dems for many years. Kerry, Dean and Edwards.

It will make the debates much better with 3 and you will these three do not have to get Moore type questions that waste time.

I have been a dem since the viet nam war and Clark does not seem like a dem to me. The other 3 do.

[MoonRiver]

28. I don't know why you say that. Clark is pretty uniformly ahead of Edwards

I believe one poll had Edwards ahead.

[lastknowngood]

6. doesn't matter

that's a red state

[NewYorkerfromMass]

10. Kerry went from 6 to 17 there in 3 days

thanks to Iowa. We'll look for more rocket power after NH.

[KittyWampus]

13. Clark Leads/Ties In Most Feb States.But Let's Keep That Our Little Secret

Shall we.

Everyone is mesmorized by NH.

Kerry had to bail out of SC and is now having to rebuild there and start from scratch across the country.

He has appx. one week.

Why do you think the media whores are fawning all over Kerry right now?

[Loren645]

20. Is this a Feb primary state?

Thanks! That's great news.

[_Jumper_]

25. Yes it is

2/3

[digno dave]

29. New Hampshire Goo Shampshire

I thimk it's gotten to the point where Clark simply can't wait to get out of NH. Give him 3rd and he would take that in a heartbeat.
ON TO THE SOUTH!!!