My great fear

[Egnever]

I think Bush is toast.

I don't think it matters who we put up against Bush he will lose. Today while driving in my car I heard not only rush Limbaugh but also Michael Savage's stand-in both bagging on bush and wondering what the hell is wrong with this guy with his run away spending and immigrant amnesty. These guys never break ranks yet there it was. This is not the first time I have heard these grumblings from usually very partisan republican sources and the fact that it is there at all is very telling.

On to my fear. I fear America is being snookered into business as usual politicians on the Dem side and because of that we will end up with more of the same with a Dem face. I fear that if we end up with a nominee of no change that when bush is defeated the dlc/dnc powers will be will hold that up as a vindication of how they are right about what moves American politics and we will be doomed to even more years of a weak democratic party afraid to make waves and push for actual reform. I fear that we will lose our chance to bring this party back into the hands of the people of this country.

Denis Kucinich and I disagree on many things but I admire his willingness to buck the conventional wisdom and stand up and fight for what he believes in something that is sorely lacking in the democratic party. I would take him in a heart beat were he to become the nominee.

Howard Dean has done more this season than any candidate to give the Dem's back their spine and show them that we can take these republican criminals on head on by going taking the fight to the people and making our case and that when we stand up for them the people respond.

He awoke in me a passion for the democratic party and a belief that there was hope the people still had a say in what happened to their country.

I know should anyone besides Denis or Dean get the nod my hope for politics will again disappear and I will return to the ranks of the uninspired and uninvolved. I will come to the conclusion that for a real change to happen things will have to get much worse till they get better.

I will vote D come November should Dean or Denis not make it but it will be my last time and it will only be because bush was so horrible it will have nothing to do with the Dem nominee being anything I want in office. It will be my last Dem vote.

[HFishbine]

1. I agree

I think Bush's defeat next fall will be so decisive, that we'll look back and wonder, "Did we really have to nominate the safe candidate?"

[Melodybe]

3. Yeah, i feel the same way

I will vote democrat no matter what, but we deserve so much better than a candidate selected only b/c he could win.

I wish my IQ was about 40 points lower, maybe I would be a lot happier about the disgusting mess this country has become.

[AP]

2. Yeah, so support Edwards for P and not VP.

[Egnever]

6. Sorry Edwards is not even in the running

I am Dean till he drops.

After that I throw up my hands and pull the D lever and thats it.

Edwards lost me long ago with his IWR vote his authoring of portions of the patriot act and his lame excuse in the debates that he had no idea how it would be used as an excuse. He is more of the same and honestly your posts have completely pushed me away from him from the beginning. Not that he needed any help.

His NH poll numbers are proving his Iowa showing was nothing more than a gift from kucinich and the Gep Dean battle there. Sorry but son of a mill worker doesn't move me.

[CalebHayes]

11. Sorry, but Dean would have voted for the Patriot act.

99-1 in the senate.

[AP]

12. What would you think if I told you Edwards authored NO part of the PA?

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[isbister]

4. Bush is toast

I can agree with that.

He did not look so good speaking at the Mayor's Conference. It clearly wasn't the staged crowd he's used to... I swear I heard crickets chirping in that auditorium when he was trying some of that creative story-telling about his policies.

[Virgil]

5. I see it about the same way

Especially since Edwards, Lieberman, and Kerry did not vote on the omnibus appropriations bill that the lobbyist wrote at the White House. Besides being bloated at $377 billion, it changed the overtime laws that are for industry just the way NAFTA and the WTO are for industry. If they cared about the working man they would have been there and voted no and those three votes would have made it 48 to 48 and maybe drawn in the other Democrats that did not vote.

I am for Kucinich. I can live with Dean. The rest are corportate whores that want same old, same old. On with NAFTA. On with military spending. On with the WOD. If somehow Bu$h steals the election, this country will never be the same in my lifetime.

The courts are already loaded with pro-wealth judges. Manufacturing is not coming back any time soon and when people don't have jobs, there are not even jobs delivering pizza.

Democrats outnumber Republicans 3 to 2. Kucinich will give the disenfranchised the enthusiasm to come out and give Bu$h a real mandate- a whooping to go home on.

[Egnever]

7. And there it is

If these guys really cared they would have been there for that vote. I am disgusted by the voting record of the guys in the last three years.

Dont forget about the Medicare bill they came in for the initial vote and bolted after when it really counted. These guys are in it for political gain above all else and it is everytrhing I find disgusting in politics.

[slor]

8. Well I do not think...

that organizations such as DU, Buzzflash, and Moveon.org as well as all the other such groups will just vanish after victory in November. Those groups combined with mobilized voters can hold the Pres (and the media) accountable. And we had better do it. After this election there may be a desire to bring back the policies of the Clinton years. The fact is that after this idiot and his deplorable handling of the environment/economy and all else, we will need a hardcore environmental plan. I believe a massive WPA style infrastructure construction effort of Wind/Solar/and any alternative power will help both the economy AND the far more important environment. We should show the world we want to be part of the community again and have their experts come in for guidance (those countries already utilizing these technologies) and also begin the process of helping third-world countries to move in this direction. We cannot allow whomever wins to return to the old Washington insider mentality, and we had better demand more before they even set foot in the White House!

[Egnever]

9. I dont think they will dissapear either

Yet the chimp in chief seems to be doing a fine job of getting away with everything despite thier best efforts at the moment.

I agree with the rest of your post though.

[slor]

10. I am referring to the NEW...

Prez in my post. I guess I should have made that more clear. Believe me, I am aware that bush will never lift a finger if it means saving the environment!

[Guaranteed]

13. Rob Reiner making a great 10 minute speech on how great Dean is

Absolutely awesome endorsement going on right here... He's totally tamed Matthews...