My new second choice - After Dean - Is now . . .

[Hoppin_Mad]

Socialist Party USA candidate Walt Brown !

That 'deal with the devil' that Kooch made in Iowa really dampened my enthusiasm for him - so Walt Brown is my new 'go to guy' should Dean falter.

I think I will send Walt and the party a few bucks.

America needs a strong vibrant Socialist party - Don't you agree ?



 "The workers have nothing to lose but their chains." 


http://www.brown2004.org/platform.html

[RafterMan]

1. Just the opposite

Kucinich went way up in my view because of the "deal with the Devil", and is dancing w/ Kerry for my number 2.

My biggest fear with DK was always that he would stand on principle to the point of not actually accomplishing anything. Instead of being a stiff, he picked up a few delegates and helped deal a serious blow to an opponent who holds much of his natural constituency.

I thought it was a smart, hard-nosed move.

[HFishbine]

30. Kucinich's deal picked up a few delegates?

2

[Printer70]

2. Hold up

Nader might be running. If the DLC succeeds in burying Dean through their media contacts (Carville, Begala, Shields, etc.), Nader would be the one to send the message to the Democratic party that they need to respect progressives. They HAVEN'T learned their lesson- Nader could get 3-4% of the vote- enough to make the message stick.

[OKHRANA]

3. yeah, thanks Nader for teaching us a lesson...

I know a lot of people just dying to get their hands on Nader.

[overground1]

4. There will be an election, people will vote, and a winner will be selected

I think we don't have enough viable parties in this country. I've never been one for limiting choice or democracy. Instead of trying to force a limited choice on America, let's concentrate on putting forth the best candidate who can win the most votes that we can. Trying to supress the other parties so our guy is merely the best of the worst and wins by default really just means everyone loses in the long run.

[NNN0LHI]

6. Karl Rove agrees with you n/t

[Printer70]

48. Pain is nature's way of telling you not to do something

Nader should keep running so long as the DLC runs the Democratic party- even if it means short-term pain.

[drfemoe]

8. Nader should have demanded a recount in Florida

he probably won there.

[Speed8098]

10. "If the DLC succeeds in burying Dean"

I'm no fan of the DLC, but exactly HOW are they burying Dean?

I'm still on the fence in my choice candidate. I've leaned towards Clark mostly, but I like Edwards also. Dean, on the other hand, has never been, in my opinion, someone I would like to see as President.

I watched him, and felt a little sorry for him, but he has buried himself. Let's call it as it is.

For the Dean fans, I hope he makes a comeback because I'm firmly ABB,
but with all of the rw rhetoric, I see little chance for recovery.

For myself, I hope Edwards and Clark surge toward the front.

The main thing is, we get a D in the WH, with major victories to come in both Houses.

[drfemoe]

12. Dean fans?

This Dean fan wouldn't mind if he packed his bags and returned to VT this weekend. He's on the ballot in NH, doesn't mean he has to stick around.

Let Kerry carry the *D*. (Kerry carry?)

[AntiCoup2K4]

59. The DLC is incapable of major victories

Which is why we DON'T have majorities in both houses right now. Bush has destroyed this country for the last three years, and that was evident long before the invasion of Iraq. We should have taken over the House and the Senate easily. But there was no message. Democrats kissed Bush's ass. Some of them still are. If you didn't want to violently puke on Tuesday night when Hillary Clinton applauded Junior's LIE about the 500 dead troops in Iraq "making America safer", then maybe you don't understand just how much damage Al From and Terry McUseless have done.

No DLC candidates in this election, or we will get stuck with 4 more years of the Fourth Reich, there's no question.

[Democat]

20. Nader? The guy who wanted Bush to get elected in 2000?

Hasn't Nader done enough "message sending" for one lifetime?

A few more messages from Nader and future generations of Americans will have even less to look forward to than Bush is giving them now.

[Democrats unite]

21. Nader is a bigger crock of...

Shit than Ross Perot was.

[buckeye1]

5. A few thoughts.

Please get rid of the term "radical". Think "better than the others".
Greed is the driving force of humanity. It has been, will be now and forever. We are in a hyper greed time. Socialists have been around for a while not much progress. I does feel go. always remember that idealism

[drfemoe]

7. I trust your judgement Hoppin_Mad

:thumbsup:

[NNN0LHI]

9. You are doing Dean no favor using Deans image on an avatar in this post

I have nothing against the socialist party, but a whole hell of a lot of people do. I doubt Dean wants his likeness to be associated with them at this point of the Dem primary either. Know what I mean?

Don

[drfemoe]

11. DIdn't you hear?

He's out. NH is Kerry Clark Edwards .. you don't read polls?
I don't think Dean would mind at all.

[Democrats unite]

22. Dean is by no means out in NH

If your post was meant as sarcasm, it was in poor taste.

[drfemoe]

26. Sarcasm?

If your post was meant as sarcasm, it was in poor taste.

I guess you haven't heard. I want Howard Dean to return to his loving home and family in VT asap. sans television cameras.
Sincerely.

[nightperson]

28. Shhhhhhhhhh,

this is great advertising for Kerry! Let Dean supporters like this one present their heartfelt, open agenda to as many Americans as possible! Please mention Marx a lot, along with vanguards, barricades and revolutions. NH has a long history of interest in these subjects. Thanks so much!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :yourock:

[Ms. Wonderful]

13. This is the kind of thing

I've been concerned about.

It's doubtful Dean will get the nomination. So, now supporters of his are beginning to show their true colors and state they would rather have Bush for another 4 years than another democrat.

That's just great :puke: .

[drfemoe]

14. eom

[Clark4Prez]

15. Actually people can be concerned about things and not post

See its possible for people to have thoughts, feelings, and emotions and do it without ever going on the internet.

You should try to welcome a new poster and not just slam them, it doesn't encourage people to step out there and express their views if they get slammed.

By the way, it concerns me too, that there are Democrats that are far to willing to abandon the party and throw their vote away. Voting Green, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, Nudist, whateverist, is throwing your vote away. It is not making a statement, anymore than those that threw their vote away in 2000 on Nader made a statement.

Vote alternative in 2004 and the only statement you make is "Four More Years."

[Ms. Wonderful]

16. Well, I'm so naive

that I didn't even know I got slammed! LOL

Thank you, Clark4Prez, but if so-called democrats wish to throw away 2004, then the rest of us have to live with their 'principled' positions.

:pals:

[drfemoe]

18. you didn't get slammed

really .. :hi: welcome to du :hi:

[Ms. Wonderful]

24. Much appreciated!

:toast:

[drfemoe]

17. As you can see

I think, I had already removed my post because what you are saying occurred to me. And I'm not sure that asking how someone formed an opinion so quickly exactly qualifies as a *slam*.

You should try to welcome a new poster and not just slam them, it doesn't encourage people to step out there and express their views if they get slammed.

[Clark4Prez]

19. As I understood your response

You asked how she could have become concerned and only have 5 posts.

She never stated that she became concerned because of DU, she stated that this attitude caused her concern. There is a significant difference.

For the record, I read DU for about 3 months before I even signed up for a nickname and password. So it is possible, that's all I was saying.

That said, you fixed your post, and I appreciate that. We have had too much hate and anger on DU, and maybe I am getting a little defensive. So I apologize for accusing you of attacking.

Peace my friend. :toast:

[Democrats unite]

23. I would have liked to of known what was there before the edit...

to judge for myself. Why would you want to edit eom?

[Ms. Wonderful]

25. Good point!

All I ever saw was "eom" and presumed that's all there was.

This is a shame.

To clarify, I am a Clark supporter.

When I saw a Dean supporter say (just a few minutes ago) he will vote Socialist rather than Democrat if Dean isn't the nominee, I wasn't feeling too good about a united democratic effort.

However, I have no ill feelings toward anyone on the thread!



:grouphug:

[FreeperSlayer]

27. Uh, any democrat ABB?

[MODemocrat]

54. I'm here, and will vote ABB to save my country from this turmoil

However, it isn't easy for me to hear my man criticized and belittled unmercifally, because of an over zealous cheering on for his crew; and then have to vote for the one who has worked so hard to bring him down. Howard Dean is my choice above all, and will be until the end. :loveya: DEAN

[jonoboy]

29. socialism good but will settle for a Democrat

[anti-NAFTA]

31. America's Socialist Party has blood on its hands

well maybe not blood...

But it is guilty of aiding the Palmer raids.

Anyways the Socialist Party of America is not an international party (not part of the Socialist International), so I would venture to call it more of a national Socialist Party.

[snoochie]

33. Really?

That's sick. Will be sure to tell every leftist I know. Thanks for the info.

[anti-NAFTA]

35. No problem...

I always thought this was well-known. There was even a movie about it called Reds (very good film IMO).

The real American socialist party is the Democratic Socialists of America Party, which IS a part of the Socialist International.

[snoochie]

38. Somehow I missed it!

Thanks again, for providing the name of the real internationally affiliated party. :)

[Hoppin_Mad]

50. Thanks for the info ! They have no candidate running in 04 -nt-

[LoZoccolo]

36. Nazi-baiting.

:eyes:

[anti-NAFTA]

41. Sorry. I meant "national" as a contrast to "international"

I didn't mean to say National Socialist as in NAZI. Do you understand?

[LoZoccolo]

49. Yes, I do.

Sorry.

[snoochie]

32. LOL and I remember when everyone thought it was Kucinich's team

that would take their toys and go home, helping to re-elect Bush again.

Glad to see it's not us that are the ... third party voters. :)

[anti-NAFTA]

34. Exactly. Because there is not much of a point to it

Voting Third Party doesn't send a message. It just lets the Republicans win. I always vote Democratic.

[snoochie]

39. Shoot - I'm in Texas and I *still* don't vote third party

There's always hope!

We have a Dem leaning mayor in Dallas, and the state was mostly Democratic until the reagan propogandalution.

I know we'll be taking it back, but first we have to pry the media out of the hands of the corporate-owned GOP.

That's why I want to know which candidates state that they'll end the monopolization of the media.

[OKHRANA]

58. I am amazed DU even tolerates anyone advocating voting third party...

because voting third party is to vote for Bush.

[JohnKleeb]

40. yep

Its funny, people were saying if DK dont get his way, hes gonna go Green, instead he showed why hes a loyal democrat. :shrug: Its ironic isnt it. BTW I have no list of prefs but my prefered two are Kerry and Kucinich. :shrug: may sound odd but Kerry is more decent IMO than most give him.

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[NNN0LHI]

43. This is an anonymous board. There's no way to know who the poster supports

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[Hoppin_Mad]

44. What's the mattter with you guys and gals ? !

If Dean 'drops out' I will support Walt Brown until the General Election. At that time, I'll support the Democratic Nominee.

I've already said this dozens of times.

OK ?

[snoochie]

45. LOL you tease

:P

Much ado about nothing, once again!

[poskonig]

46. Never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake.

Back to our regularly scheduled program.....

[snoochie]

47. Hoppin Mad is our opponent?

Now I'm really confused...

[poskonig]

51. The NBDs are hurting their candidate.

Saying they'll allow SpaceShrub to remain in office if you don't vote for their candidate only makes their candidate look bad. I don't see supporters of other candidates doing this.

[Hoppin_Mad]

52. What's a matter you ? I'll vote the Dem nominee !

Why can't someone have a second choice around here without being accused of not supporting Dems.

I've said numerous times, I'll vote the Dem nominne.

That has nothing to do with my SECOND CHOICE !

[Walt Starr]

53. Thanks for the info, Hoppin

If Kerry is nominated, Mr. Brown will definitely be on my short list of candidates to consider!

[corporatewhore]

55. Mike badnarik can kick his butt!!

runnig on the libertarian ticket is against iraqi war occupation and patriot act!!!

[corporatewhore]

56. David Cobb is also cool

runnin on green ticket

[Walt Starr]

57. Thanks for hte info!

Another candidate to consider if the DLC continues down the road to ruin.