General Clark or Hillary? 2008

[usregimechange]

Poll question: General Clark or Hillary? 2008

Just to clear things up a bit.

[Rowdyboy]

1. Clark-Clinton isn't the worst ticket the Dems could do...

but Clark-Schweitzer or Clark-Richardson would be way better

[election_2004]

46. If they want a woman in the V.P. slot...

Clark would do better to pick Kathleen Sebelius, Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, or Debbie Stabenow.

[TheFarseer]

2. Edwards & Clark

end of story

[ChiciB1]

70. I Feel This Is A Winning Ticket! Edwards/Richardson OR

Edwards/Clark. I simply can't DO Hillary! I hope we can stop MSM and the Repukes from PUSHING her on us. I know many here support her, but I feel this would be a monumental mistake. SHE'S the one the REPUKES want, and MSM has been hawking her for some time.

We really need to tamp this RAH, RAH HILLARY thing NOW! Many fellow Democrats who aren't as active as we will simply follow in lock step if THEY are convinced by MSM that she is our ONLY HOPE! IMO, this needs to be nipped NOW! I see something about her EVERY week and feel this is unfair.

Edwards is truly someone I can fervently support. I've said it before, he has charisma, LOCATION, a GREAT message, he's a Uniter and he has ELIZABETH. That woman is a gem! If you've ever had the opportunity to see her interact with the public you would be amazed. I'm more Liberal than they are, but I can live with the moderation because I think it will garner more support. I like Richardson because he's also very intelligent, but also has LOTS of experience.... and will be a plus with the Hispanic voters.

Tut Fini!

[deadparrot]

3. It's early,

but I love Clark.

[Placebo]

4. Clear what up?

Polls like this are just popularity contests. And anyone who's spent an hour around DU will know that Clark is beloved by the majority here and Hillary is either despised or just tolerated.

DU doesn't equal Democrats around the country (thankfully). 2004 proved that.

DU = Dean Territory, USA = Kerry Country

And now it's the Clarkies turn to go nuts, just like the Deaniacs did. And while the rest of the country moves on, they'll still be pinning their hopes on a fallen star.

No Clark 2008 folk. Move along, there's nothing to see here.

[Trajan]

10. I wasnt a Deaniac ....

And I felt quite comfortable as a Kerry supporter here ....

Where do people get the idea that a few of their arguments here represent an ENTIRE group ?

[FrenchieCat]

12. Please.....don't order us around like that....

It's a bit too authoritarian for DU...doncha think?

I respect what you are saying as being your view...but that's the point...it's JUST your opinion. Mine is totally different.

But, hey! Support who you want while it still a free country.

K?

[nickshepDEM]

23. Self delete...

[Inspired]

85. Agreed

This is one of the reasons we can't win a fucking election folks. We are too busy sniping away at other Democrats.

I am NOT a Clark supporter (it's Edwards for me) but I'll vote for Clark if that is how it turns out. I'll vote for Hillary if that is how it turns out. I'll vote for Daffy Duck if that is how it turns out.

[Clark2008]

14. Really, now... cause I heard a caller on C-SPAN praising Clark

and was as warm as tepid water toward Hillary - and this caller wasn't one of the Clark bloggers (I asked).
I think Clark's the stealth candidate this year 'round.

Maybe if Democrats around the country would get their collective asses away from the corporate media, we'd win one for a change.

Stragedy is: if the Republicans want Hillary, run, run, run in the opposite direction.

[Auntie Bush]

15. Why don't you take your own advice?

"Move along, there's nothing to see here."

[Singular73]

5. Neither

But Clark above Hillary...though both would lose.

Run Biden.

[Clark2008]

16. And running another New Englanders would endear the South

and the mid-West to the party, how?

I like Biden, btw. I'm just being strategic.

[FrenchieCat]

19. Plus Biden has that tell tale

"Plug" look that is so doing nothing for me...at all.

Did I mentioned that I wanted to slap Biden upside his plugs...when I used to watch him on the Charley Rose Show, during the run up to the Iraq War? He liked the idea well enough back then.

[Mass]

42. Biden New Englander?

Not that he is my choice, but I did not consider Delaware in NE.

[Mass]

43. dupe

[iwantmycountryback]

54. And Biden would win?

Gimme a break. Sometimes he acts like a responsible person but many other times he's just like Turncoat Joe. Clark is about a 100x better candidate than Biden. And people here underestimate Hillary as well, she is a vigorous campaigner and even has about a 50% approval rating among NY Republicans. It turns out the more people actually get to know her as opposed to just listening to the right-wing noise machine and then forming their opinons about her. Will I vote for her in the primaries? I don't know, maybe I'll actually wait to see who the candidates are and what their ideas are before I declare that they suck. Right now I'm leaning Feingold, but there's still 3 more years.

[snowbear]

6. Then again....

..how do we know freeptoids don't vote in these polls just as they do in the FAUX poll?

I mean.. couldn't the numbers here be thrown off by the lice-infested scumbags at Freeperville?

And yeah.. I know a few people seriously want her as our nominee.. but in comparison to say.. the General ;) .. hey.. gimmeabreak..

[mike_c]

7. Green-- if that's the choice....

Not even a tough decision.

[Clark2008]

18. But the Green party probably would back Clark.

He's got an outstanding record on the environment - even won an award from the Audubon Society.

[high density]

28. lol, Clark not liberal enough for ya? (NM)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

8. Who cares?

Why is everyone obsessing about 2008 NOW?

We've got more important work to do for 2006, including looking for talent to run against Republican incumbents or to take vacated seats.

At this point, I don't CARE who runs in 2008. And neither should you, because if the Republicanites mop the floor with the Dems in 2006, it won't matter who runs in 2008, because he or she will be thwarted at every turn. It will make Clinton's treatment at the hands of Congress seem like a love feast.

[TheDebbieDee]

9. I'm a Hillary fan, but I think Clark would make a less

controversial candidate.

Of course, it's all a moot point if the repukes count the votes, AGAIN!

[FrenchieCat]

11. Well how about?

Clark/just about anybody that doesn't kiss too much Republican ass...preferably an ass kicking female would be good.

Hey, maybe Hillary can be Clark's stalking horse? She can act like she's gonna run, and at the last minute endorse the General!

Clark/Boxer
Clark/Sanchez
Clark/Clinton

A woman as VP is "do-able" with a warrior like Clark on top of the ticket. After 2 terms, Female Presidents won't even be an issue.

Especially if Condi gets on a ticket as VP for some lacking in National Security Chickenhawk Religious Wrong zealot GOP candidate.

[Clark2008]

13. Well, this should be a landslide for Clark.

He may not be every DUer's favorite (even if he possibly is the most popular on this board), but I dare say that given the choice between Hillary and Wes, even those non-Clarkie DUers will vote for him over her for a variety of reasons.

[acmavm]

17. I do believe you're right. I know I would.

But then I was a Clarkie last time around.

[Southsideirish]

20. Gore & Dean - a winning ticket.

[FrenchieCat]

21. ?

:wtf:

[snowbear]

25. Say what...........

:wow: :rofl: :spray: :wow: :rofl: :spray: :wow: :rofl: :spray:

[serryjw]

50. Silly.......

Are you in a time warp?

[zulchzulu]

22. This useless pure speculation brought to you by....

[Clark2008]

27. You know, that box is funny, but I do believe we need to worry

about 2008 AND 2006.

If we want ANY OTHER CANDIDATE BESIDES HILLARY CLINTON heard in the 2008 primaries, we have to start now (yesterday) because the corporate whores aren't going to let any of the non-Hillaries get a word in edgewise. And that goes for Clark and anyone who isn't him, as well - like Edwards or Warner or Feingold or any of the other DU favorites.

So, while the poll may be speculative (all polls are), the fact remains that our near focus should be 2006 with our side-dish talking points about the candidates OTHER THAN HILLARY in 2008.

[ChiciB1]

71. I Just Said The Same Thing!

We've GOT to stop the drums that are beating louder and louder everyday for Hillary. Regardless of how much we need 2006, the MSM is force feeding her to he public.

I repudiate their methods.

[nickshepDEM]

24. I'd vote Clark, but my guess is Hillary would win.

She's gonna' have more money than god in 2008.

[bonzotex]

26. Hillary should stay in the Senate

We need good Dem Sanators, She's safe and can do good work there. Clark or someone else can win on the Dem ticket. Money or not, Polls or whatever, Hillary is too devisive and frankly not very Progressive. Think about 2006 before we start scratching at each other about 2008.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

29. I'm a Wes Clark supporter

But part of me would get a real kick out of watching the righties squirm if Hillary got elected.

[IndianaGreen]

30. Hillary!

No questions about military record (there is none!). No doubts about combat ribbons. No second-guessing of conduct during war, particularly while commanding troops.

[nickshepDEM]

32. Oh, shit. If I were you... I'd duck. eom

[Clarkie1]

33. Hmmm....

I guess your theory then is the less our nominee has done, achieved, and experienced, the better? After all, the more one accomplishes, the more there is to question.

I don't buy it, and I hope I never become that cynical.

[IndianaGreen]

34. The theory is that a military record is a drag on the ticket

when running against the Religious Right. They went for AWOL Bush instead of war hero McCain in the GOP primaries of 2000, and we know what happened to Kerry and how his military record was twisted like a pretzel by the corporate media.

This does not mean that we should refrain from supporting someone like Wes Clark if he were to become the 2008 nominee. Even the worst Democrat is better than 4 more years down the current path to oblivion. But I think that Hillary carries more name recognition, and some baggage, than anyone else that will be running in 2008.

I am also banking on a nostalgia for the debt-free, prosperous, and relatively peaceful Clinton years (yeah, I know about all the bad things about the Clintons, but compared to the Bushes...).

Meanwhile, I hope Russ Feingold and Dennis Kucinich do run. If nothing else, we need to hear voices that don't parrot the DLC line.

On edit:

I will go out on a limb and say that, other opinions to the contrary, Hillary will defeat the GOP nominee in 2008 regardless of who he is.

[NoPasaran]

39. Well, that theory worked pretty well for you knoW who

Just sayin'

[Miss Chybil]

31. Love them both, but I'd like to see a Clinton/Clark ticket, or vice versa.

I'm ready for a little history making, though, so I'd really like to see Hillary lead the ticket.

[cobaindrain]

35. Hillary

.

[FrenchieCat]

36. Why Hillary?

[cobaindrain]

40. why do clarkies keep asking?

I like her better.

8 years in the WH already, albeit as a first lady she has experience and is the master of the political game. She inspires hatred in the repugs, brings the out there dark sides, great campaigner, debater etc.

Clark, eh. was a dud in the 2004 primaries. Campaign started with a bang and then his numbers dropped to nothing, faded out quickly. not our best choice for 08, he stands no chance in the primaries if Hillary were to run, and will completely fall off the radar if Kerry, Edwards, and Reid run.

[FrenchieCat]

45. Actually you are wrong about Clark's numbers.....

and his campaign.

You are spouting the Corporate Media meme, which wasn't proven out although many of the "uninformed" bought into the "he's fading" and the "not ready for primetime" labels slapped on him. Just like many bought into the meme that Edwards could talk owls out of a tree.

Those "uninformed" folks not giving Clark credit for having a campaign up and running in record time, just don't want to be fair to his skills. The man entered in mid September without a personal fortune....and by January '04 had raised the most money for that quarter (beating out Dean). Remember that he had to hire left-over campaign strategist (since there were 9 other campaigns going on), had no experience running before, had to develop position papers in record time (was not a life time politician with a ready made staff)...and was attacked relentlessly by both parties, as he was everyone's nightmare if he did well.

Because he chose not to contest Iowa (due to too short a time and too little resources)....he missed the big media blitz that blew Kerry and Edwards onto the finish line. Still less than a week prior to Iowa and left out of the whole media blitz, Clark was polling 2nd in New Hampshire, 4 points behind Howard Dean, and 1st in Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, North Dakota and 2nd in South Carolina.

Regardless of the media slams and the media ignores, Clark still managed to come in third in New Hampshire (after the two favorite New England sons, Kerry and Dean), win the only primary besides Kerry that wasn't his home state, and won second place (without free publicity help that Kerry and Edwards both got in spade) in New Mexico, Arizona and North Dakota. With all of Edwards' press, Clark still outdid Edwards on Mini Tuesday's primaries. Coming in third in Tennessee and Virginia (due to receiving no press, while the media sold us Kerry and Edwards) was his signal that the media had ruled him out, and with no publicity, it was near impossible as the "sheeples" barely knew he was still running.

IMO, Clark did great with his campaign, if one considers the circumstances! Plus, he didn't wear out his welcome, and left the race gracefully and in a dignified manner.

Clark's problem was always winning the primary (with the RW inspired he's not a real Democrat; he voted for Reagan), not the general election, which is why Drudge and Gillespie worked overtime to slime him before it was too late. To think that 4 days prior to New Hampshire, Clark got slammed in the NH debate for respecting Michael Moore's right to call Bush AWOL demonstrate that it wasn't Clark's campaigning that was bad, but the way that the corporate media chose to report on it.

Always remember that the Corporate media is not your friend. Not Newsweek and its partners MSnbc, NBC, and CNBC, and the WAPO. Not Time Magazine and its wife CNN. Not Fox and its Drudge alliance. Reading "not ready from primetime" really meant "let's bring him down, before anyone realizes that this could be the guy". Unless one actually attended his rallies or watch his town halls, the "uninformed" have no idea how effective Wes Clark actually was. He was the only one talking Values and slamming Bush on 9/11 time and time again. The media just didn't want him to be heard. He made too much sense, he was too charismatic, he was too southern, and carried himself like too much of a leader (he was after all a retired General, supreme Commander of Nato, and the most decorated since Eisenhower).

To allow the Democrats that kind of firepower was not what BushCo and Corporate media anticipated. That kind of combination with reasonable media coverage would have spelled Bu-Bye to Bush).

Couldn't have that.

[Awsi Dooger]

47. Clark's apologists love to wildly spin his avalanche of mistakes

He waffled on the decision to run then entered too late. He was underfinanced. He didn't have the ideal campaign manager or strategy. He didn't have his positions on key issues clearly mapped out. He botched the decision on whether to contest Iowa. He was repeatedly on the defensive during debates. Heck, in an admittedly minor matter he didn't even dress appropriately if I remember that goofy sweater.

How in the world are those positives? Why should we embrace his candidacy in regard to 2008 based on that record? Right now I'm not too thrilled on playing up the merits of the 8th place finisher in this year's Kentucky Derby.

Don't get me wrong, I like Wesley Clark. Since the election I've spoken to many friends who I didn't reach last year prior to the election, and a surprising number of them supported Clark. Especially among women. White women are the key to our political hopes at the ballot box so anyone who can sway them immediately garners my attention.

[returnable]

66. Underfinanced?

You might wanna check your facts before you start piling on. The Clark campaign had a number of problems, but raising funds wasn't one of them. He was second only to Dean in cash (and closing in on him) until Kerry became the lock and started sucking up the donations.

[ArkDem]

68. Well, if Hillary is running that would be the end of Clark's

fund raising. It was all done by Clinton people.

[returnable]

69. A bit of an overstatement

If Hillary runs, ALL potential candidates will take a financial hit, as she will no doubt get the ol' network up and running.

But to suggest that all of Clark's backing came from Clinton folks is simply not true. It wasn't the Clinton machine that was jacking up all those internet donations.

Hell, I worked on the Clark campaign, and I never had any contact with Bill or Hillary at all :hi:

[Clark2008]

75. I'm not a "Clinton people" and I helped raise tons of cash

for him.

[ArkDem]

76. He'll need a lot more than that to beat Hillary.

[Clark2008]

78. Or just for people to pay attention.

He's much more qualified than she.

[snowbear]

41. Cobaindrain to the time out chair....

This post drifted wayyyyyy off the board and you really had to dig to knock the sucker back to the top again.



Goodbye thread.. it's been real..

[Coexist]

37. what - you were lonely for some mean-spirited bickering?

[CitrusLib]

38. I met Clark during the NH primary. LOVE the guy...

The guy's smart and articulate. Two attributes I admire in a president which have been sorely lacking as of late.

[Mass]

44. 2006 first

Then we'll see.

I doubt these two will be the only choices anyway.

[Neshanic]

48. Clark, sorry Hillary...maybe next time 2012?

[snowbear]

49. Wow... look at those numbers...

Yeah baby!

[usregimechange]

51. Well I think Clark won.

[serryjw]

52. Clark.....Boxer....Feingold

any combination...notice I didn't say Hillary

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

53. Neither.

For Christ's sake.

[janx]

55. .......

:rofl:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

56. Lookee!

[janx]

57. Thank you, thank you! They spin really fast!

:patriot:

[Texas_Kat]

58. I didn't know you supported Wes Clark!

I'll certainly keep that in mind when I meet you in other threads. Wouldn't want to say anything by accident.

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[CarolNYC]

64. Well, he's certainly got some kind of powerful hold over them..

Soon they will be doing his every bidding....It's the ones who get sucked in unwittingly, so to speak, that are the most fun to watch. :evilgrin:

[Sparkly]

88. Yeah, stars are funny.

They give 'em out like candy. Same with purple hearts. Hilarious. :eyes:

[googly]

59. No contest! In a 2 person race, Hillary would beat Clark like

US military beat Saddam's military in both Iraq wars.
Way too lop sided.

[FrenchieCat]

61. News Flash to Oogly...

We're still fighting the Iraqis, and we're still dying. :shrug:

[googly]

90. I hate to be blunt, but Hillary will beat clark like a drum...........n/t

[ArtVandaley]

65. Neither

Both would lose

[Dawgs]

67. NO MORE SENATORS!!!

NO BIDEN, NO HILLARY, NO EDWARDS...

This experiment continuously fails, yet both parties try it over and over again.

[meppie-meppie not]

72. I really think that the repuke's will be running McCain for prez so

we need someone whose got a military record that can stand against McCain's. just a thought

[ElectroPrincess]

73. No, the Right Wing *hates* McCain ... those rumors during the

2000 primaries really stuck. They call him crazy - in fact he's number 3 on the "Right Wing Hate Hit List" after Hillary and those DAMN Liberal Democrats. :P

[meppie-meppie not]

81. oh wow! I thought his new movie would have changed that.

[ElectroPrincess]

95. No, once the right wing *hates* somebody, it's FOREVER !

One of my right wing acquaintances only focused on some small negative said by another prisoner in the movie.

Please note the following that I KNOW to be true (from journals and personal experience): Those people (lemmings) who love authority figures and prize one's loyalty to these GOONS above *all* else, do NOT ever forgive those who refuse to fall in line.

McCain will NOT be forgiven albeit the moderate republicans do like, and some even admire him. Although I don't like most of his philosophy and politics, overall, I admire his person. For most of his life, whether you love him or hate him, McCain's The Genuine Article. And no "Earl"! The forgoing evaluation does NOT equate to a conclusion that the man's *crazy.*

Those who salivate for unbridled authority, seriously freak me out. Guess the rest of the Country and The World is also learning that truism.

[meppie-meppie not]

103. excellent points and so very true!

:thumbsup: :D

[invictus]

74. Political Dynasties Are Bad for Democracy

I don't think political dynasties are a good thing for a democracy, especially concerning the presidency. Also I think the Clintons love power too much. Between Clark and Clinton, I would vote for Clark.

[lojasmo]

77. Hobson's choice.

I want somebody who has stood up to bush AND has a record in elected office.....neither one qualifies.

[Sparkly]

89. "a record in elected office"

That always helps.

[lojasmo]

96. It helps some people decide what a candidate is really like

So it's possible to know what their actions have been, vs. the positions they've taken.

[FrenchieCat]

101. The measure of a person.....

cannot be judged on a "vote". A vote is not an accomplishment nor is it a virtue.

If you cannot look into the life that has been lived, and base judgement on the difference that one has made in our world as it stands....than I only have pity for those who equate a voting record to be a the measure of a life lived.

[lojasmo]

104. The mesure of a politician

Is the difference they have made in this world as a politician. I have a hard time measuring how a person will behave as a politician when he/she has never made a vote, or enacted legislation, and I have never seen clark's actions, only heard what he has to say....a lot of which I agree with, but a lot of which I disagree with (SOTA, depleted uranium)

[Clarkie1]

79. I would like to respecfully ask the DU members who voted for Hillary

what advantages they feel she has over Clark. I am asking for a one-on-one comparison here. What is it that you feel Hillary would bring to the ticket that Clark would not, besides her gender?

I don't want to start any sort of flame war, this is a serious question I have for those 23 individuals. I respect your choice, and would like to understand what it is specifically that motivated you to choose Hillary over Clark in this hypothetical poll.

[election_2004]

84. the talking points...

"she's tough as nails, and she'll bite back whatever they dish out at her"

"she will get all of the big money behind her"

"she draws huge crowds"

"she'll energize many of the women who voted for Bush"

"she has instant national name recognition"

"they've thrown everything but the kitchen sink at her and she's still survived"

[bobthedrummer]

80. Another bs poll.

Sheesh, I thought we got over that bs in May. 2006 is more important right now.
:+
:silly:

[Roland99]

82. If you like Hillary, go ahead and vote Republican.

I'll take Clark or some other true Democrat to be named later.

[ArkDem]

98. Clark.....true Democrat......

:rofl:

[Roland99]

102. Did you not see the "or" in there?

[MrSlayer]

83. Clark by the proverbial mile.

This is a no-brainer.

[The Jacobin]

86. Neither -- Bill Richardson

He stomped his republican opponent in a swing state that went for Bush. :headbang:

He can legitimately remind the electorate of the good times under the Big Dog while avoiding the blind hatred of Hillary. :loveya:

He has legit foreign policy experience at the U.N. and negotiating with North Korea. :patriot:

On the other hand, Clark reminds me of the quote from "The Best and the Brightest": When Lyndon Johnson, who was very impressed by all the ivy-league advisors in the Kennedy Whitehouse, told Sam Rayburn (and old friend and Speaker of the House) about them, Rayburn replied: "Well, Lyndon, you may be right and they may be every bit as intelligent as you say, but I'd feel a whole lot better about them if just one of them had run for sherrif once."

[FrenchieCat]

91. Well, I hope you read up on the Richardson "baggage" file...

and have your defenses ready and set to go.

[usregimechange]

87. Hillary gets 10%

[Bride of Cthulhu]

92. Clark!!!

n/t

[union_maid]

93. Clark

I agree with those who say that the important thing for most of us right now is 2006. That's where the next huge battle is. But I'd love to see Clark as president. Whatever mistakes his campaign did or didn't make, it was the first time he ever ran for anything. Hillary certainly has made plenty of blunders in her career. She seems to have gotten over them. I'll bet that Clark has learned a few things about campaigning since then.

The two of them would make a great team, but I don't know if either one would consider the VP spot. I am honestly concerned about what will happen if Hillary runs and is re-elected to the Senate and then leaves to run for president, or is elected president. Sure, we're a blue state, but we also sent D'Amato to the Senate. We've got Pataki. And don't forget Rudy. We need all the Democratic Senators we can get. Losing one midterm would be scary.

Any Democrat at all will have my vote and full support.Anyone short of Zell Miller. That's not a question at all. Clark is one of the very few people in the political arena who I find truly inspiring, though.

[Mark E. Smith]

94. Clark. How Can There Be Any Doubt?

Seems plainly obvious to me.

[CWebster]

97. Clark--because at least I could bring myself to vote for him

There are aspects about Clark that trouble me, but his fundamental character and intelligence have some depth. Clinton is a phony.

[Apollo11]

99. Gore Boxer 2008 !!

So more than 200 DU visitors voted for Wes Clark in this online Poll, in which there was only 1 other candidate. That's a very impressive total. Looks like the General has the nomination all sewn up!

NOT!

Do I have to remind you folks that there are other potential candidates who have already proved they can attract more than a couple of hundred clicks. Like Al Gore got 51 million votes in the 2000 Presidential election. And that's just the ones they counted !!

Sure - Wes Clark would make a great Defense Secretary.

Just like Hillary the Hawk might make a good Senator if she quit trying to appease the Republican right and apologised to us for swallowing their lies and supporting Bu$h's foreign policy.

In the meantime - I will hold out the hope that we will one day get a President with the knowledge and experience to do the job. One with the intelligence and judgement to see right through the Republican's lies. One who has not supported the war in Iraq. One who upholds the Constitution and believes in democracy - with an independent judiciary and a system of checks and balances. One who can unite all Democrats and lead us to victory ...

I ain't saying that Wes Clark would be a poor candidate. I'm just saying that Al Gore would be even stronger!

www.algore-08.com
http://algore2008.net

:)

[Larry in KC]

100. Hmm.. decisions, decisions...

The candidate (and president) I've dreamed of all of my fairly-long life...

Or my worst nightmare, simply because her nomination would guarantee Republicans stay in the White House for the foreseeable future.

Please, god. Clark '08.

Duty, honor, country.

[prvet]

105. Clark

Can Deliver the South