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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:35 AM
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CIA's EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION finally comes to the NY Times - sort of
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 02:37 AM by Nothing Without Hope
This is an utterly chilling issue that, like the tortures and murders themselves, is about a vast, secret, and totally illegal but routine practice of the CIA. Targetted citizens are kidnapped, whisked away in "ghost planes" and taken to where they can be disappeared or tortured without overview by those pesky people who give a damn about human rights or international law. Information about this has come from interviews with ex-CIA agents and ex-prisoners, among others.

For earlier work including background and extensive links and documentation, see this earlier thread on extraordinary rendition, making sure to go through the whole thread as links continued to be added as it was updated and expanded:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1740193

Although Stephen Grey has published prominent articles on this issue in places like the Sunday Times (UK) and had his findings broadcast in a BBC documentary (full transcript available - see links in my earlier DU thread on extraordinary rendition), his work is much less widely known in the US. This is, of course, a pattern that parallels that for all aspects of the torture and other criminal acts of the Bush Administration and suggests active suppression by the corporate media of facts embarrassing to the Bush Administration.

Stephen Grey is a respected UK investigative journalist who has been specializing in this subject area for some time. I have greatly regretted that his work was not widely known in this country, so imagine my surprise and delight to find a HUGE New York Times article on extraordiary rendition - FOUR web pages long PLUS multimedia coverage - in which he is a co-reporter. Upon reading the article, however, I found that there was no statement about the illegality of the practice and that it was framed as "fighting terrorism" and really rather glamorous. Secret flights, all those dangerous terra-ists, mysterious shell companies - hey, how about a movie deal?

I imagine Mr. Grey is not wholly pleased with what the NYT media machine made of his investigative reporting on extraordinary rendition. Note that this practice of kidmapping people and taking them to places where they can be interrogated under torture is not only TOTALLY ILLEGAL UNDER GENEVA CONVENTIONS but has been VEHEMENTLY DENIED by the Bush Administration. (I will get quotes and and links for this later.)

For shame, New York Times.

Here are excerpts from this NYT article on the criminal practice of extraordinary rendition. I've tried to select the paragraphs that are the LEAST full of glamorizing sensationalism. But you still get lines like "Aero's pilots are the discreet bus drivers of the battle against terrorism, routinely sent on secret missions to Baghdad, Cairo, Tashkent and Kabul" in the very first paragraph. Yeah, definitely an action hero movie script in there somewhere. Geneva conventions? How quaint.

http://nytimes.com/2005/05/31/national/31planes.html

C.I.A. Expanding Terror Battle Under Guise of Charter Flights


By SCOTT SHANE, STEPHEN GREY and MARGOT WILLIAMS
Published: May 31, 2005
(This article was reported by Scott Shane, Stephen Grey and Margot Williams and written by Mr. Shane.)

(snip)

Some of the C.I.A. planes have been used for carrying out renditions, the legal term for the agency's practice of seizing terrorism suspects in one foreign country and delivering them to be detained in another, including countries that routinely engage in torture. The resulting controversy has breached the secrecy of the agency's flights in the last two years, as plane-spotting hobbyists, activists and journalists in a dozen countries have tracked the mysterious planes' movements.

Inquiries From Abroad:
The authorities in Italy and Sweden have opened investigations into the C.I.A.'s alleged role in the seizure of suspects in those countries who were then flown to Egypt for interrogation. According to Dr. Georg Nolte, a law professor at the University of Munich, under international law, nations are obligated to investigate any substantiated human rights violations committed on their territory or using their airspace.

(snip)

Ferrying Terrorism Suspects
Aero's planes were sent to Fort Bragg to pick up Special Forces operatives for practice runs in the Uwharrie National Forest in North Carolina, dropping supplies or attempting emergency "exfiltrations" of agents, often at night, the former pilot said. He described flying with $50,000 in cash strapped to his legs to buy fuel and working under pseudonyms that changed from job to job.

He does not recall anyone using the word "rendition." "We used to call them 'snatches,' " he said, recalling half a dozen cases. Sometimes the goal was to take a suspect from one country to another. At other times, the C.I.A. team rescued allies, including five men believed to have been marked by Muammar el-Qaddafi, the Libyan leader, for assassination.

(snip)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:03 AM
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1. come on, people - this is WORTH READING! n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:28 AM
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2. "...no statement about the illegality of the practice...." Precisely.
It glorifies perhaps the most extensive rendition endeavor in human history; it glorifies the explicit use of countries more than willing to do the torture and the killing for the good ol'USofA.

Sick. Immoral. Illegal. Anti-American. Inhuman. Behavior.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us --> http://www.peacecandy.com/gwbush/remindus
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:58 AM
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3. Thanks for reading this, UL. I am shocked that the NYT is Hollywoodizing
this unspeakable, illegal practice. I'll bet Stephen Grey is livid - if you want the real story on extraordinary rendition, his work is the place to go.

This article is an obvious attempt to mislead: Extraordinary rendition? Hey, that's the Indiana Jones hero stuff, right?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 11:18 AM
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4. This is signficant, people n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 12:11 PM
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5. Why is there so little response to this? It's an important part of the
whole torture/human rights abuse story.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:37 PM
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6. I don't understand the lack of response. Has the misinformation worked?
Extraordinary rendition should be part of our dialogue about torture and abuse - and this very prominent NYT article whitewashes it as glamorous.

Why does no one but Understandinglife and me care?
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 02:49 PM
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7. hi there - speaking just for myself i can say that i didnt immediately
read this thread because i wasnt clear what it was about

i see now its about the cia and their inhumane covert action of "rendition" but i didnt know what that was until reading what you posted. i had heard the term but since i didnt know what it was seeing the term in the thread title didnt immediately grab my attention

thank you for posting this. and yes its crucial information and exactly what seymour hersch has been talking of for quite some time
covert operations of torture
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:06 PM
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8. Thank you - could you advise me on what WOULD have caught your
attention? Perhaps I should post a headsup with a different title? I'd appreciate your help with this.

And I strongly recommend the work of Stephen Grey on this subject. In the OP I link to an older thread where I discuss his chilling findings and link to more of his work, inlcuding the transcript of a BBC broadcast on this subject.

It has been pretty much suppressed in this country - guess there weren't those photos to open people's eyes. Even at DU people don't seem to know about it. I want to change that.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:22 PM
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9. Thanks for this - amazing read
don't know why no one is replying.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:52 PM
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13. I strongly recommend the work of Stephen Grey, which is linked to
in the older thread I mention in the OP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1740193

It will curl your toes. It was the subject of a Feb 2005 BBC broadcast for which a description and transcript are available (see older thread for links). I have emailed Information Clearing House, which has so many valuable progressive videos, asking them to look into getting the BBC video for their site, but no response yet.

But if you read Stephen Grey's other work in the earlier thread, you will have a good idea of what we're dealing with - both the extraordinary rendition program itself and also the suppression of information about it in this country.

I'm betting Stephen Grey is livid about the Hollywoodization of his work in that NY Times article - they made him a co-author, but I'm betting he wasn't even associated with this travesty of the truth.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:25 PM
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10. thats a great question and i admire your diligence here
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 03:29 PM by faithnotgreed
a couple things i would say that may help (or not)

1) perhaps you can pm lala rawraw (from rawstory) or title a thread here "an important question for lala rawraw" or the like to either her or will pitt or the like
they can either give you their perspective on how to get the word out or they can post something on their sites to get a little something started

i will say with the downing st memo and the john conyers petition and the deep throat threads etc that this unfortunately falls down on the interest chain just now. as i mentioned even when seymour hersch was talking about this on cnn (unless it was about abu ghraib) there wasnt matching interest in it for some reason

2) you may want to title it something like "ny times mentions secret cia operations in iraq - please read!" or "chilling read" something along those lines to get peoples interest.

though sometimes people just dont want to read about
cia or torture
and sometimes we dont know what "extraordinary rendition" means so we skip to something else
or sometimes something more "urgent" or exciting is being focused on. please know its not that people arent interested but there is a ton were trying to fight here so it does seem to take a back seat to other things
aka outrage fatigue

but again i applaud your determination. thank you for caring so much
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:46 PM
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12. OK - I'll try again with a headsup heading that will lead more people
to read this thead - I HOPE!

Thanks for your help, and also that of the other people who are starting to respond.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:36 PM
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11. It's also illegal under the Convention against Torture
Which says, I think, there there are absolutely no circumstances under which a party to the treaty can send someone to a country where they have a reasonable belief that they may be tortured. I will look it up.

I don't know if the US has any reservations attached to that treaty, but I'll look for that as well. It's just plain illegal and something we promised long ago not to do.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 04:25 PM
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14. Thanks - I would appreciate your help. I saw some of this legal
language in an article I read yesterday, but I read so many articles I might not be able to find it.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:54 PM
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19. I posted it as its own thread, hoping people would see it.
All the language is there.

I can't seem to copy the images of the treaty pages, though. Maybe I just don't know what I'm doing. If I can find it as a document, I will put it up.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 07:35 PM
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22. Can you please give the link to the new thread? I'd like to read it
and cross thread to this one so people can find the information.

And thanks!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:14 PM
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15. Retitle: NY Times glamorizes CIA kidnappings and prisoner outsourcing
Maybe I would have gotten more reads for this story if I had started with that title instead. I've posted GD and GD-P headsups with the new title and a link to this thread. Hope this gets some more interest. I feel it's important both for exposure of the practice itself and for the media suppression of it.

I DO feel the NYT glamorizes this horrible practice. Am I the only one who does?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:24 PM
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16. No, the NYT has fallen far.
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 05:24 PM by acmejack
Thanks for posting it, though. Anyone who doesn't read the Times wouldn't have seen it. I am afraid I am soon to join those ranks, I will not pay $50 a year to read the op-eds. But will miss Krugman and the letters to the ed. What a bunch of greedy shits...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:28 PM
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18. I finally signed up for the free online access - you can read the last
seven days' issues and can get various sorts of online alerts or updates if you want them. I resisted for a long time because of the privacy issue, but finally decided I did want to know what they were printed. I did it for the Wash Post and the LA times too. So far, my email program hasn't let more spam through, so I'm crossing my fingers. And I HAVE picked up some interesting things - not just in politics - that I would have missed otherwise.

Yes, they've fallen a long, long way. The great Grey Lady is no more.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:24 PM
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17. kick n/t
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:59 PM
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20. Hmm. Doesn't seem like glorification to me.
It just seems like lazy reporting. I'm numbed by the article. It's incredibly poorly written, rambling, and pointless. It seems to me like the writer simply tapped into the "war on terror" meme, and tossed it in in a few places, to try to make the article more exciting. It doesn't seem like the author is trying to portray a certain atmosphere about anything; to me, it doesn't even seem like the author has a point.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 07:39 PM
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23. Did you read the full article? I only excerpted the parts that were the
LEAST glamorized.

There was not statement that this is illegal. It is portrayed as a heroic part of the "war aginst terror." No hint that a line might have been crossed.

Here's a key line from the first paragraph that sets the tone:

"Aero's pilots are the discreet bus drivers of the battle against terrorism, routinely sent on secret missions to Baghdad, Cairo, Tashkent and Kabul."
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:53 PM
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27. Yep, I read the full article.
It seemed drawn-out and disjointed. I find it disgusting that it is never mentioned that this is illegal, but again I see it as symptomatic of laziness and not anything worse.

Maybe my judgement is bad. I'm finding it hard to care about much lately. Especially the media doing a bad job about something. Sorry.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:23 AM
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29. No need to apologize. Given everything else the media has been
suppressing at the wish of the Administration and the fact that I KNOW that what they got from Stephen Grey was a helluva lot more hard-hitting, I see this as DELIBERATE.

So there are two reasons why I care about this story enough to have posted it:

First, it's a huge article in one of the most important US newspapers about this largely suppressed issue of "rendition" by the CIA - but it's not the truth, it's written in a way which, if anything, PRAISES the practice as daring, heroic, interestingly mysterious, and "fighting terrorism." This is misinformation and suppression, and it was done deliberately because they KNEW the truth from Grey's work. He's a co-author. This misinformation and suppression are one reason for my interest.

Second, the subject of extraordinary rendition needs to be un-buried. It's a horror and an illegal abuse of human rights and flouting of the Geneva Conventions, and it is being done ROUTINELY in our name. There is no control or accountability at all. They can grab anyone anywhere and fly them into whatever hellhole they want. It's a secret from our public and isn't even mentioned in conjection with the other human rights criimes of this Administratin. That's my other reason.

I am so outraged that this vitally important issue was FINALLY brought up so prominently in the "great" New York Times - and the article is worse than whitewash, it's a framing of this horror as patriotic.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:26 PM
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30. That's an excellent point about Grey and editor's intent
I somehow skipped over that. It may be worth contacting Grey to see what he has to say about the piece, and to find out exactly what he contributed to it.

So in any case, here's a <kick> for the thread.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 06:34 PM
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21. This issue certainly deserves more attention
and better reporting.

I first read of this despicable practice in Jane Mayer's article in the New Yorker. She does a much better job of describing the horrors of this and of decrying the practice. It was heartbreaking to read what has been done to people caught in this awful web and disheartening to realize the depths to which our government has sunk.
Here are links to her article and to an interview with her about it:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050214fa_fact6
http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/?050214on_onlineonly01

After reading her article, I read more about Maher Arar, a Canadian citizen who had been "rendered" to Syria and have checked the news now and again to see how his case in Canada is going. Again, little of this is being reported in U.S. papers, but it is being reported in the Canadian press: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=%22maher+arar%22&btnG=Search+News

We need to keep pressing here to make sure as many people as possible are aware of this and keep repeating that it must be stopped.
Thank you for posting on this and keeping it bumped. We all need to keep shouting as loudly as we can.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 11:57 PM
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24. kick n/t
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 12:12 AM
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25. Big fucking kick those that still trust the NYT are fooling themselves
Paul Krugman and Frank Rich are the only two good eggs.

Fuck the New York Times, I haven't trusted them since 2000!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 10:26 AM
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26. kick n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 10:40 PM
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28. kick n/t
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