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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:53 PM
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Kerry Promises to raise UK Memo questions!!! Slams media!!!
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 02:03 PM by Dr Fate
"When I go back (to Washington) on Monday, I am going to raise the issue," he said of the memo, which has not been disputed by either the British or American governments. "I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home. And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."

This is great news- it is important to contact Kerry and thank him for getting our back on this.

Thank you DU- your letters & phone calls surely helped.

Now to get Dean and the other top DEMs on this!!!

More:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1516892&mesg_id=1516892
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:54 PM
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1. Are you about half happy today Fate?
I just HAD to PM you last night when I saw this.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:57 PM
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5. I want to see Kerry fight.
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 01:57 PM by Dr Fate
That was part of my frustration that so many misunderstood- I LIKE Kerry and a WANT to see him fight.

I hope Kerry's promise to look into this will encourage others to speak out too.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:02 PM
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11. I wanted you to be awake at 3 am when I originally posted this
'cause I knew you'd be happy.

I've posted it at DailyKos as well. Over 300 responses so far and recommended. So the word is getting out over there too.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:38 PM
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25. I HATE DAILY KOS
A good half of the posts are BASHING him. One even told him to shut up because he doesn't want Kerry in 2008. Another said he was jumping on the bandwagon. What fucking bandwagon? Conyers? Is THAT the bandwagon?!

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, FUCK 2008, YOU FUCKING FUCKS. :rant:

Ahem, I'm better now.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:40 PM
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27. We need to support DEMs when they respond to us.
And "bash" then when they do not.

I'm with holding all criticism of Kerry on this unless he breaks his promise.

This is not about the primaries for me.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:53 PM
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30. Nor should it be
The only monkey in my wrench is if he meant he was going to bring it up to his collegues, which wouldn't make much sense, as I'm sure they know about it.

Is there any way to interpret his words as anything BUT a promise to bring this up in public? I'm assuming the Senate floor. We shall see.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #25
33. He's the first Senator to bring up the memo
Nice bandwagon! Sheesh. Some people seriously need a clue.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #25
34. LOL thank you LittleClarkie!!
:applause:
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #25
39. DailyKos is the liberal equivalent of Freeperville
There are people there every bit as ideologically rigid, blind, and hateful as at Free Republic.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:17 PM
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40. Each is a reflection of the blindness of their leaders
Though Kos actually has a point most of the time. Just not where Kerry/Dean come in.

And this, sports fans, is why I heart DU.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. I love DU too
Most of the time, we give credit where credit is due, except for a few contrarians. Kos, on the other hand, insists on pursuing his own self-aggrandizing agenda. God I hate that website.
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
37. Repeat after me JK, "Downing Street Minutes" "Downing Street Miutes"
eom
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:55 PM
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2. now let me be the contrarian
so Kerry will raise thie issue on the floor of the Senate

You THINK this will be carried by insert Stenography Media outlet here, outlet?

This is the problem... they can scream all they want... (and they are), but the media has chosne NOT to carry this, but hey they are liberal huh?

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. Kerry carries more weight
than others. They will cover him.

Kerry has to say what he should have said last July: he voted for the war because he was fed a lot of bullshit by the administration. He has to say the words: Bush Lied.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. Yes
He can also take the memo with him on these shows and say "see?!"
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:17 PM
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22. Kennedy does as well
the media ignores him on a regular basis, PERIOD.

Sorry, but this is being covered on Air America, but I will bet to you, not on NBC nightly, or for that matter on Meet the Press, and if they do.. they will do this in such a way to invalidate this

I mean CNN coverage was... A London Tabloid, they called the paper that leaked the story a TABLOID, so I have not much hope that Kerry or anybody else can get the Soppranos to actually cover teh story... this is the truth, the corporations CANNOT AFFORD to have georgie impeached, or even to have the word impeachment raised...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. It's true- DEMs will have to goad Republicans into responding.
They also need to go on MTP, etc and bring it up.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. Well, at least the media cant say "No top DEMs ever brought it up..."
"...so we assumed it was not an issue."

I hope you are wrong- I'll say this, Kerry will need to do more than just mention it once- he needs to go on TV shows and newspaper interviews and talk about it.
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Imagine My Surprise Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:56 PM
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3. I think Kerry will raise about as much stink over the memo...
as my dachshund's farts.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:01 PM
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9. Could be- but a promise is a promise. Will he break it?
If he does, then you will have a valid point.
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Stampy52 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:56 PM
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4. this
is truly good news, not because kerry is supporting it as much as because what kerry's support means. it means that our hardwork to get break this story into public discourse is working.

john kerry would not support anything like this unless it was rapidly approaching critical mass.

be apart of the project to wake up mainstream media and go to Take Action at www.downingstreetmemo.com today!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. I'd add that Kerry wouldn't say it unless he acquired proof from his UK
government connections.

The man did run a prosecutor's office and he was known for never moving forward with a case unless he had the evidence required to win.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:17 PM
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21. Kerry is cautious- never shoots his mouth off...
...I agree- Kerry must think there is some "there" there.

I hope Kerry can give this some legs.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #19
35. I hope you are correct, though through what I have learned of him,
it sounds correct.

Who knows, some in the media have to be fed up with this misadministration and the daily spew of lies coming out, that maybe, just maybe, they'll pick it up.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:59 PM
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7. Where's Hillary?????
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. Where's Hillary
Getting all cozy with Newt Gingrich.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:03 PM
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14. She's the anti-Kerry
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:02 PM
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13. Or Dean or Reid, etc- are they close behind???
I hope they follow Kerry's lead on this.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:01 PM
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10. Link?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:03 PM
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16. My bad- see original LBN thread:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. Here, from my original thread
which is wandering around at the bottom of the first page in GDP.

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/06-05/06-02-05/a01lo167.htm
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:15 PM
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20. Thankee X2
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:03 PM
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15. what a surprise.
i emailed durbin, obama, and kennedy to support conyer's quest. i didn't send anything to kerry--and he is going to raise the issue?
damn! maybe we should email all the dems in the senate and house!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:29 PM
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24. Let's help Kerry
On several sites there is a daily to do list to get the word out.

This is where I get my info.
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/
Go down halfway to where it says DSM.
Everyday they post 3 MSM sites to email or call.

Also Kerry has this on his site
to send what he calls an Urgent Gram to Frist.
I sent one to Frist telling him I want an explanation to this memo.
http://www.johnkerry.com/action/principle/
Maybe we can send enough to Frist to get him a little nervous:nopity:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:39 PM
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26. let's keep this thing moving!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Yes- contact Dean, Hillary, Reid ,Obama, Kennedy, top DEMs
n/t
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. Boxer, too
Already sent mine, oops forgot Obama.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:45 PM
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29. To all of you were accusing Dr. Fate of "flaming" last week
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 02:56 PM by paineinthearse
na na na na na !!!!

Dr. Fate had a post that challenged Dean and Kerry to show some leadership on this issue. Maybe Kerry read our thoughts. Maybe Kerry read some of our messaged to him.

Whatever was the cause, I'm pleased that my junior senator has sniffed the political winds of change and finally come aboard.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:56 PM
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31. What winds of change?
There's a guy over at DailyKos accusing Kerry of jumping on the bandwagon. What freakin' bandwagon? Conyers was all by his lonsome, and radioactive as usual. Now he's not going to be alone.

Can we admit that Kerry is near the front on this, just behind Conyers, politician-wise? He may effect that change, but I don't see him following it.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #31
48. but I don't see him following it.
No, me neither. He is a follower. The leaders on the Dem left are, imho, John Conyers, Henry Waxman, Louise Slaughter, Dennis Kucinich, Lynn Woolsey, Bernie Sanders (ok, honerable Dem), Jim McDermott, Jim McGovern, Marty Meehan (come to think of it, the Mass house delegation), the CBC, the progressive caucus.

Not one Senator has yet to sign on. Even Barbara Boxes. Maybe it is a Senate thing?

:shrug:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. How can someone be a leader
when no one knows who the hell they are. Do they really have followers?

And which Dennis? Pro-life Dennis or pro-choice Dennis?
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. The good Dr. speaks for me as well. n/t
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:56 PM
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38. He musta heard you, Doc. LOL
JK ended up being one of the FIRST to champion this. That's awesome. Just goes to show that you CAN turn the Lusitania. Just not on a dime without some practice.

Peace.

NGU.


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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #38
44. He heard you too.
Thanks, DU.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:49 PM
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42. Can't he force this on the media?
He and several other Congressmen should march this down to a major outlet and demand they cover it.

Maybe my innocence (or stupidity) is showing. But what will happen if it doesn't hit the media, regardless of how much Congress answers his questions.

I'm so maddened that our lame dog press is playing dead!

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. They need to go on TV and talk about it.
Debate shows, interview shows, local shows, Air America-

I agree that they need to get this bouncing around in the echo chamber- they need to do it themsleves- by talking about it on TV.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:34 PM
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43. Hey, Dr. Fate
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 06:03 PM
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46. Kicking this thread for late afternoon crowd
:kick:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 06:07 PM
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47. yer welcome.
Thank you. ;)
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 07:20 PM
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49. Dr Fate's "flame" post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1819990

:yourock:

Anyone bored? How many who accused him of flaming in this post are participating in the new one?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Thanks but l'd rather not make this an "I told ya so" thing.
Kerry has promised to do the right thing on Monday- lets be happy enough with that for right now.

Now we need to get Dean, Hillary, Obama, etc on board.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. May he DIRECT AMERICAN CITIZENS' ATTENTION
to John Conyers' efforts. Just the TINIEST MENTION would do my heart real good and completely restore my faith.

DOWNING STREET MINUTES - OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MINUTES OF AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MEETING


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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #53
54. I trust you and all DU'ers are by now aware of John Bonifaz' group
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 12:22 AM by paineinthearse
www.AfterDowningStreet.org

as well as DU's latest group - JOHN CONYERS - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=340
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LuPeRcALiO Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 07:39 PM
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52. good, I hope he comes down on them like a ton of bricks
and we're the bricks!
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