Why George Bush MUST be impeached

[Maraya1969]

I have been giving a lot of thought toward the impeachment of George Bush. There are truly no words to describe the devastation this man is responsible for. I’ve tried to think of an analogy and can only come up with one which is minute compared to his actions.

Consider a church congregation becomes aware that their priest has molested an alter boy. It would be unconscionable if they did not demand he be removed. The only thing that would be worse is if the congregation continued to attend mass at that church, with that priest.

This is what we are doing. And the world knows it.

The world knows that George Bush is a horrible man who is responsible for the most bloodshed in US History since we bombed Japan during WWII. And we are all connected to him because we sit in the pews.

It is unconscionable that this man, this vile murderer is allowed to stay in the highest position of our country. I am convinced that he is the main catalyst for the immeasurable hatred toward Americans in the Middle East. I am also convinced that the removal of George Bush will show the Iraqis and the world that we, as a nation, do not condone illegal, immoral and unnecessary war. He must go. He must go if the United States is ever going to repair the damage he has caused to our reputation. He must go if we are to be able to salvage some of the lives of our service men and women and the lives of untold numbers of Iraqi soldiers and civilians. And we all know that George Bush will never attempt to amend for this devastating carnage. So we must do it, not for him but for America.

We still have good people here. But our goodness is masked when there are evil people in power.

George Bush must be impeached.

[Zuni]

1. And there is also that whole thing with Tom Cruise

[autorank]

5. Zuni, some help here?

:wtf:

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Don't forget Michael Jackson,

the runaway bride and that missing blonde in Aruba.

[checks-n-balances]

30. I don't understand your reply - care to elaborate?

Are you saying you disagree with the impeachment idea?

[AuntiBush]

44. Really? Sorry... ?

[Carolab]

2. First we have to finish getting the truth out to the rest of the country.

They are starting to wake up and smell something nasty. Keep at it. Get the word out on the memos and send out the petition and LTTEs.

[Maraya1969]

11. LTTE ? please explain

[slor]

15. LTTE: letter to the editor...

I hope that is what you are asking. If not, forgive my presumption.

[Maraya1969]

21. OK stupid again - what editor?

Or are you saying I should send it to a newspaper?

[slor]

22. Yes...

LTTE means a Letter To The Editor, of a newspaper. Is that what you are asking?

[Maraya1969]

26. Yes, you mean I should send it to my very RED newspaper?

[kenny blankenship]

41. Why not?

the worst that they can do is give your name and address to the local wingnut deathsquad.

[Carla in Ca]

45. So right!

Here is a quote from today's Meet The Press. Russert interviewing Ken Mehlman. The topic for the exchange was the 'marriage amendment. Here is how absolutely twisted these minds are...


MR. MEHLMAN: The president strongly believes that marriage in this country ought to be between a man and a woman. He also believes it is something that ought to be decided by the people. He doesn't believe that judges ought to impose their will on the people. And because there have been a number of judicial decisions, most recently in Nebraska, that have made that decision for the people. He believes that a constitutional amendment is appropriate so the people can weigh in.
It's something that's before the United States Senate. It's one of their agenda items they intend to move on this year, and I think we can expect to see them do that.

______________________________________________

Read the 3rd sentence..."He (*ush) doesn't believe that judges ought to impose their will on the people."
Last sentence in 1st paragraph..."He believes a constitutional amendment is appropriate so the people can weigh in."

I absolutely cannot believe this twisted spin!!!!If the first sentence was true, his nominees wouldn't be complete radicals, right?
These people see the spread of democracy all over the world as their mandate, huh? Then why are they chipping away at it here?
This is such a nightmare.

[alittlelark]

3. I am a member of the Congregation of Impeachment

I get there early, so I can sit in the first row.

[lady lib]

7. Amen, Sister littlelark!

Everyone's probably read this, but here it is again:

The 23rd Sigh, a Post Election Psalm

Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want.
He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
He restoreth my fears.
He leadeth me in the paths of international disgrace for his ego's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war,
I will find no exit, for thou art in office.

Thy tax cuts for the rich and thy media control, they discomfort me.
Thou preparest an agenda of deception in the presence of thy religion.
Thou anointest my head with foreign oil.
My health insurance runneth out.
Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall follow me all the days of thy term,
And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever.
Tony & Tarky Sue

http://www.bartcop.com/1495.htm

[Maraya1969]

10. Hell if it was the Congregation of Impeachment I'd be an

alter boy!

[zann725]

4. Good rationale! Good post!

n/t

[burrowowl]

6. Good analogy! eom

[Check12]

8. Elegantly and sucinctly put fellow american!

Here's a question

If it ever came to shrub bieng forced to testify under oath, would he give up his necon pals?

How many people went to jail over Watergate?

It is clear to anyone with less than half a brain the GWB is not the one running the show there. That is why he his always on vacation or on the stump. He's like the younger brother hangin around with the older guys, they can't wait to get rid of him. So if he does end in in jail by some miracle, it wont be because he was a diabolical criminal, it will be because he was just the son of a president, a political pawn who bacame king George for the neocon's national TV show.

He would squeal like a pig under oath to save his own hide.

[Maraya1969]

9. OK will try to answer

1 - would shrub testify? Yes - he never admits to any wrong so he would blame it on everyone else. And he's a weenie.

2. G. Gordon Lidy went to jail over Watergate right?

Oh, and I don't care if Bush is a puppet with Karl's hand up his ass. He is the figurehead. Most people in the Middle East don't know the difference between Karl Rove and a Falafel.


:rofl:

[Check12]

12. Don't get me wrong

I truly hope this asshole gets whats coming to him.
We need to show the islamic world that true Americans will not put up with this kind of crap. One good way to do that, and make our country safer is to impeach the president with sound bipartisan support.

There are some republicans out there that can put their country before their party, I just know there are.

[acmejack]

35. Ve haf vays of making him talk!

A few hours in a "stress position" should do it. Perhaps a little sleep deprivation. And the big finale 'water-boarding"! Gives an entire new meaning to "water sports". Some claim these techniques result in "disassembling" (that means to not tell the truth), we know blivet has a nasty history of prevarication.

Ah, do it any way! But no pain equivalent to organ failure, we must be humane. Hey, * ever been to Uzbekistan?

[Conservativesux]

13. I agree, but using the bombing of Japan as an anology is a mistake..

..500,000 to 1 millions lives, both Japanese and American would have been lost if the US didnt drop the bombs, by most estimates.

The Japanese were warned, but the code of Bushido and "saving face" would not allow them to surrender easily or quickly, if at all.

If you are a young person, I dont expect you to understand this, but that is how it was in 1945, near the end of a brutal world war.

But you are correct about Bush. He does need to be impeached and we dont need to be killing people in Iraq.

Of that there is no doubt.

[Vincardog]

27. Wrong the Japanese were ready to surrender The US Military

just had to play with their new toys. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed by choice.

[Conservativesux]

29. Can you prove this to me? Any websites I can check out?

All I have right now is your assertion and I am willing to explore it, if you can supply some proof.

Otherwise I will have to stick with what I said previously.

[ptolle]

32. nuking

It might take some pretty deep exploration, but I think it'd ultimately be rewarding. First thing, consider the strategic situation. The Japanese home islands were cut off from most strategic supplies and we could have imposed an even tighter blockade at standoff distances given our air and naval superiority. I don't have the references at my fingertips, but I'm pretty sure comprehensive research would show you that both Hiroshima and Nagasaki had been left pretty well alone during the strategic bombing campaign ie the B-29 raids on tokyo, etc.The reason for this was to better gauge the effect of the atomic weapons. Some of my reaearch indicates that the weapons were used as much for their political effect on the soviet Union than for their tactical/strategic effect on our war plans.
The question that always begs for me is whether a blockade, which might have starved who knows how many civilians, would have been ultimately any kinder than letting the nuclear genie out of the bottle.
There are myriad net sources which might point you toward further resources in your research.
In my mind there is no doubt that invading the home islands would have been disastrous for both sides, but I'll always question whether or not other tactics and strategies might have achieved the same ends without legitimizing the use of nuclear weapons.

[acmejack]

37. Mixed bag of references

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/LitNote/id-14,pageNum-29.html|Cliffnotes!> http://www.bcasnet.org/articlesandresources/article10_11.htm|Pro> and this one from a unitversity curriculum in turn denies it: http://www.saskschools.ca/curr_content/history20/unit3/sec2_10.html|Con>.

[jaysunb]

43. You really should read

Howard Zinns, A Peoples History of The United States.

I think you will find a quite different perspective than what passes as common fact.

Otherwise , good post ! :toast:

[OneBlueSky]

14. it's not just Bush, but the whole PNAC gang . . .

Bush, in fact, is nothing more than a figurehead . . . the policies and decisions are made elsewhere . . .

[LunaC]

34. Bingo!

It's the entire PNAC cabal that needs to be exposed. Bush* is just one of many and the entire Hydra must be taken down.

[slor]

16. Yes, we must impeach!

We need to let the world know, that we are sorry for our lil' cowboy monkey run amok, and this would go a long way towards improving international relations. We need to let the world know that, we the people, reject the policies of these criminals!

[Disturbed]

17. The entire Bush Regime needs to be impeached.

They are all War Criminals.


What is a war crime?
By Tarik Kafala
BBC News Online


Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention defines war crimes as: "Willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including... willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile power, or willfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial, ...taking of hostages and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly."


This, international lawyers say, is the basic definition of war crimes.

The statutes of The Hague tribunal say the court has the right to try suspects alleged to have violated the laws or customs of war in the former Yugoslavia since 1992. Examples of such violations are given in article 3:

* Wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity
* Attack, or bombardment, by whatever means, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings
* Seizure of, destruction or willful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, historic monuments and works of art and science
* Plunder of public or private property.

The tribunal defines crime against humanity as crimes committed in armed conflict but directed against a civilian population. Again a list of examples is given in article 5:

* Murder
* Extermination
* Enslavement
* Deportation
* Imprisonment
* Torture
* Rape
* Persecutions on political, racial and religious grounds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1420133.stm

[Maraya1969]

25. Who can indict a person for war crimes according to the Geneva

Convention?

[orpupilofnature57]

18. At very least it should serve as a lesson to the ? % , that were duped!

[corbett]

19. Nominated For Greatest Page - Please Join Me

Superb work!

Here's a follow-up:

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050601/the_key_to_impeachment.php

[realFedUp]

20. I'm with you

It's unconscionable to at the least file the papers
and history will wonder why not if not filed.

[ananda]

24. but won't

You can't impeach a guy if his party controls all three branches of government.

Reality hurts.

Sue

[Q]

28. But history should show that someone at least tried...

...It's the opposition party's duty to at least call for investigations and hearings into the matter. It's not about impeachment. It's about justice.

Remember when the RWingers told us that 'no president was above the law'? We need to show them that this applies to ALL presidents. Bush is NOT above the law.

[Maraya1969]

31. Exactly - the process will do enough to tell the world that we are

not all barbarians.

EDIT: grammar

[Maraya1969]

53. But you can file the papers and at least tell the world that you

find this whole thing reprehensible. And if you file the papers doesn't all the pertinent information HAVE to be exposed? Like all the stuff that most of the media are afraid to print or say?

If the papers were filed, (or what ever you have to do) what Senator would have guts to NOT IMPEACH?

How will they justify an illegal war? What excuse are they going to come up with for the Downing Street memo? WHAT are they going to say when the actual casualty counts are brought in the open?

Maybe the other benefit is an impeachment would get the information to all the Americans who have their heads planted firmly under the ground.

What was that Ken Star report anyway? You know, that soft porn piece that detailed Bill Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky? Was that like the Grand Jury hearing before the indictment?

I have not clue about the legal process of these things but the Senators should know

[understandinglife]

33. "But our goodness is masked when there are evil people in power."

Excellent post, recommended, and thank you.

What you express is at the basis of why I have posted threads like:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3770220

and,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3742495

and, why I sent the following to the Senator, yesterday:

Good evening Senator,

On Monday, June 6, 2005, when you stand in the US Senate and speak to the issues of the "Downing Street minutes," I request that you also announce that you are going to lead millions of Americans to oppose Bush and his neoconster regime and bring them to justice.

On Wed., June 1, 2005, you asked the question "Is there a way to break through?"

Yes, Senator, a way exists to break through the corporate media's suppression of the truth about Bush and his fellow neconsters and all the lies, atrocities, damage to America and its Constitution, and destruction of civilization that they have perpetrated since Dec 9 2000.

Specifically, you should join with Congressman Conyers and urge all your fellow Democrats (and any honorable Republicans) in the US Congress to halt business-as-usual until a comprehensive, non-partisan, multi-national investigation of how Bush started his war on Iraq is underway, AND AN EXIT PLAN AND TIMETABLE TO REMOVE ALL US NATIONALS FROM IRAQ HAS BEEN ADOPTED.

Senator, you and your colleagues have made very little of the vast support you have within America and the world to stop Bush and his fellow criminals and begin the process of rebuilding 'America' -- the one that ceased on Saturday, Dec 9 2000.

Peace and thank you.
xxxx

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq, and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[guardian]

36. We need to take it directly to the people

The whole gov't is corrupted by the right wing wackos and most Democratic reresentatives are too lukewarm to do much about it. Maybe if there were some television commercials? Look what impact the swiftboat vets had...and they were lying!

[mtnsnake]

38. If we don't at least TRY to impeach, then we should be ashamed

of ourselves.

And for all those who continue to say, "We can't; we don't have the votes; we don't have the evidence; it'll never get past the initial motion"; and blah blah blah....well if you feel good about letting the other side dictate your way of life because they have a majority, well then go ahead and continue to be intimidated into doing nothing.

For anyone with two eyes and two ears, the writing is on the wall. This president is BEGGING to be impeached and we have to oblige him.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

[Initech]

39. Good post. We should change our name...

To the United Church Of Bush. That seems more appropriate, dont you think?

[Maraya1969]

52. You're right - and it's so frigging SAD

[laugle]

40. Excellent Post! I agree......

Impeaching Bush is a first step. As for waiting for people to wake up, lets remember half of the fricking country didn't bother to vote. I'm sure they weren't for Bush's policies. People are awake, but apathetic. Keep up the impeachment talk.....good job!

[Maraya1969]

42. OK I've decided to send this thread to WHO?

Barbara Boxer? I can't remember which one is trying to get up the petition for an impeachment. And I still say WHY THE NEED FOR A PETITION? Have the guts to just do it!

A really good point has come out here. It doesn't matter so much if the impeachment actually makes it through. It matter that SOMEONE start the ball rolling. SOMEONE with the ability to begin an impeachment trial needs to start one.

[puebloknot]

46. What will the world say...

...to our children and grandchildren about us if we do not make a strong attempt to remove from office *all* the PNAC Neocons who are getting away with every crime there is, while we Americans twist in the wind, wondering what to do.

Flowers at your feet for this great post! (And hello, as I'm kind of new here.) I have often, of late, had a similar thought that this country is behaving like the prototypical dysfunctional family which continues to cover for the creep who is violently incestuous, but always makes up for it by bringing candy and flowers (and lets it be known that to talk about it could lead to dire consequences: in this case, a little anthrax, an unexplained plane crash, demotion and ridicule!)

I'm a war baby of WWII vintage, and I have remarked often of late to friends that in growing up, I was was aware of the world's assumption of the lack of character of the Germans, Japanese, Italians -- the "Sheeple" of the axis countries who just let it all happen. And now the shoe is on the other foot -- although it may well be that all of us are just getting a rude awakening about what our country has *really* stood for all these years, when we thought we were the good guys, that we had a free press, that we were a shining beacon to the rest of the world! The scales are falling off of our eyes -- those of us who still have two neurons firing -- and the picture is not a pretty one. People in Nazi Germany just kept "doing their thing" on a daily basis, while their freedom was being cut out from under them, one small step at a time. It isn't a matter of "it could happen here." It *has* happened here, and we have little time left to us to stop this juggernaut.

I think we should follow in the footsteps of UnderstandingLife, who has posted here and has sent a letter to Senator Kerry, asking him to *do something*!

I think we should all hang on to the pantslegs of our congressional leaders like bulldogs, metaphorically speaking, and not relent until we get some action. *Everybody* has time to make a phone call or write a letter or send an e-mail or a fax ONCE A DAY, if not more often. Seasoned activists may be able to instruct us in the *how* of making a lot of noise, but make it we must, unless we want to *continue* living in a fascist state.

You know, they impeached Bill Clinton, but he was not removed from office, as the Republicans had hoped. But that event is still on everybody's mind, is still talked about constantly. If someone will just start impeachment proceedings, it can serve as a vehicle to bring attention to the crimes of GW, et al. The likely success of such a venture almost seems irrelevant. A public proceeding would get the facts out, and people who have supported this regime may begin to wake up. Contrasting an impeachment for errant sex against one for crimes too numerous to elaborate briefly would surely show that we Americans are not all craven dogs, caring nothing for the rest of the world. Maybe I'm dreaming. Am I?

Whether we "sit in the pews," or drink lattes at Starbuck's, if we are silent, we are complicit. And we *really, really* need to rattle the cages of our all-too-complicit elected officials. Integrity aside, if many of them begin to sense that they might go down with a sinking ship, they may grow a spine and get on board the rescue vessel just over the horizon.

I fear they are functioning under a distorted rule of "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." No one got into high office without some compromise, I suspect (unless maybe it's John Conyers and Maxine Waters), but we need to call them on their complacency, and remind them that they work for We the People -- before it's too late!

[Maraya1969]

50. That was a wonder post and welcome to DU puebloknot

You know, you are right about Clinton. If the repubs had not pushed for the impeachment in the first place they would have absolutely NOTHING bad to say about the Democratic party except general character attacks. "When you're at a loss for words bring up Clinton." And they can bring him up because they fought tooth and nail to get him nailed to the cross. I find it hard to believe that "they" don't realize how stupid the whole thing was and that bringing it up over and over again makes it all seem even stupider.

The whole Clinton impeachment made us look like a bunch of asses. But nonetheless it still gives them fodder for attack, as stupid as we know it is.

The non-impeachment of Bush makes us look like barbarians.

To impeach a president for a sexual indiscretion, (sorry - perjury :crazy: ) and let the next president stay after he has committed war crimes is unethical, inexcusable and reprehensible.

[puebloknot]

55. You started it....

....and my "wonder post" was in some ways just my wordy repetition of what you had already said. Good to be on the same page, though, with someone who can think!

Thanks for the welcome.

Yes, we look like fools before the whole world, but sadly, other nations have had a checkered past and cannot point at us with totally clean hands. That's not the best standard by which to measure things, but I guess we have to keep what dignity we can and "soldier on" until we clean house in a certain Big House, and get back to sane living.

I appreciate your courage in putting it out there that we need to talk and talk and talk about impeachment. And we need to give our support to John Conyers. I hope to see the day when he's holding forth from the Oval Office, and Bush, Condi, et al. are doing hard time.

[FourStarDemocrat]

47. Elect a democratic majority in the House and impeachment is guaranteed

It's really as simple as that. We need to get our majority back in congress. Representatives like John Conyers, will then return to his post as head of the judiciary committee and introduce articles of impeachment that will likely pass, as there is a hell of a lot to go on. So, we really have to get to work on those local races.

[staticstopper]

48. Huh? Where have u been?

the votes are rigged and that little Box Voting site ain't gonna change anything.

I doubt there will even be an attempt.

[guardian]

49. We need TV advertising

That's why I say we need some TV advertising to take it directly to the people.

[FourStarDemocrat]

54. Many localities don't have electronic voting.

So far black box election fraud (where the main tampering is through the main GEMMS vote tabulator)has not penetrated district and state races, that's why a majority of newly elected state representatives throughout the US last November were Democrats.

[Imagevision]

51. Going to war under false pretenses should be reason for impeachment!