Anyone hear Biden criticize Dean for Rupuglican's "don't work" comment?

[KoKo]

on "This Week" with Snuffy this a.m. What's going on hear. First Edwards and now Biden come out and criticize Dean when Dean already clarified his comment with the Blitzer interview on Friday.

The ABC transcript isn't up yet, I checked try to get the language.

Coming Up on ThisWeek

* After a week that has seen no let-up in the violence in Iraq, we will speak with Sen. Joseph Biden, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, just back from his fifth visit to Iraq. We also will discuss the controversy over John Bolton's nomination as U.N. ambassador and the report from Amnesty International comparing the U.S. detention facility at Guantamo Bay, Cuba, to a Russian gulag.

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/

[Jon8503]

1. I get so dam tired of these Dems such as Biden taking time out

to critizice Dean on something like this. They are joining the media such as Woodruff the other day focusing and jumping on Dean for the comment.

Maybe not the best choice of words but what I am saying is people such as Biden should be focusing on the comments of those such as Delay, Bush, the little flunky press sec of his, Scottie boy, the stories out of Iraq like the other day Scottie boy saying it is unfortunate that there are those that take these things out of context when he was talking about the Abu Ghraib & Quaran findings. News Week was right weren't they.

At least Dean has the guts to stand up and say what he thinks and I don't see a lot wrong or incorrect with what he says except for those who don't like it. If the dems care about winning, they need to get tough, speak the truth and stand together and with Dean.

[hector459]

83. Rush said Dems don't work and he said it to over a million people.

So Biden, shut the f*** up!

[OneTwentyoNine]

84. Yep,true so...Biden attacks Dean instead of Limbaugh--smart move

Yup,according to Rush it doesn't matter what day we hold elections because Dems are a bunch of lazy,non workers and can vote anytime.

So...Biden and Edwards,get your fucking priorities straight. You BOTH should have gone on the offensive against Pillboy. But NOoooooo,you both mouth off about Dean. This sucks....

[Double T]

2. Biden Acts And Talks Like A republican, What Would You Expect??

[CTLawGuy]

4. Biden was Mr. Gung-ho on the war.

I have almost no respect for him.

[Zhade]

64. That's more than I have!

Mr. pro-PNAC, pro-debt slavery "Bankruptcy Bill", pro-war Biden is an open sore on the party.

[OneTwentyoNine]

85. Gung-ho to pass Chimps bankruptcy bill too.....n't

[halobeam]

7. I saw that too..

With Dems hitting other Dems, we will go nowhere fast. Damn straight he should've said something like, "I know Dean is rough in his talk, but it's honest and that's the heart of what people expect to hear, not the lies that we are getting from this administration. The media will focus on "choice of words" by Dems? Why not then focus on the misuse of the word "diassemble" from our own president? America deserves coverage and focus on the issue and message itself, not the words used."

[FloridaPat]

3. Really annoying. Stay the course. Follow the repubs. But the repubs

are incompent but that's OK. We're stuck with Iraq. We really need to replace a lot of spines in the Democratic party. Why aren't they just repeating the word "impeach" over and over.

[cornermouse]

5. They eat outsiders in Washington.

Dean is an outsider. Seriously, look at the way the democratic "insiders" defended Clinton. Neither of these people came up through the ranks/served their time as members of Congress on their way to power. I honestly believe that's at least part of it.

I have absolutely no respect for Biden. I don't waste my time watching him any more either. And if Edwards isn't careful, I'm going to lose my respect for him as well. Loss of respect = loss of my vote in the next election.

[ultraist]

58. Who VOTED DEAN IN? Sure wasn't "outsiders"

[cornermouse]

60. The insiders were under a lot of pressure from angry

democratic voters. Don't fool yourself.

[KoKo]

6. Sounds like a concerted effort by some Democrats to diss him. He's

been urged to speak out more, when he does some in his Party diss him. Making Dean the issue and not his comments which were right on if you watch the video with Blitzer. Blitzer began the attack by giving Dean a feature spot on his Friday wrap up. Started off promoing the segment by saying Dean was being criticized for comments about Repugs. Dean did very well turning Blitzer's comments back on him, but now over the weekend both Edwards and Biden make comments verifying Blitzer's headline.

I wonder what other Dems are going to criticize him this week following in lock step.

Dean states plainly he his not going to focus on just 18 states like what we have done in past, he's going after all the states and he's put Party Money where his mouth is into some of the states already for grass roots. Makes me think the Party Powers are too happy to have a "Top Down Party" rather than "bottom up." It's very disheartening to those of us trying to get the lobbyists out and election reform to have Dean be dissed like this. I never heard criticism of MacAuliff for any of his laziness and aloofness to the grassroots.

[halobeam]

9. Excellent point

------"Makes me think the Party Powers are too happy to have a "Top Down Party" rather than "bottom up." It's very disheartening to those of us trying to get the lobbyists out and election reform to have Dean be dissed like this. I never heard criticism of MacAuliff for any of his laziness and aloofness to the grassroots"

[ChiciB1]

35. Dean Isn't One Of Their Own... He's His Own Man

And the fact that so many of us here really support him must be a bone of contention with them.

I HAD thought Biden was going to start doing his job again, and I was a big supporter of his. But if he is going back to his laissez faire ways, then I wonder if we have much hope in 2006.

And as a HUGE HUGE supporter of Edwards, this is very disconcerting. I'm one of his BIGGEST fans even though I'm much more Liberal. Maybe I'm wrong.

The Dems are doing to Dean what the Repukes did to Clinton!!

[wyldwolf]

41. several points

1. Dean should be his own man, but he should be "one of their own" or "one of our own" as well. His first responsibility as DNC chair is to speak for the DNC, not for himself.

2. I don't think that the fact Dean has lots of support on DU means anything to "them." DU is pretty insignificant in the world of politics. Protest all you want, but it's true.

3. The "Dems" aren't doing anything to Dean. And comparing anything Dean is going through to what Clinton went through is laughable.

[Proud_Lefty]

78. Dean is a leader that we (the Dem people) have asked for

He's more than a DNC chair to a lot of us. How many times do we see posts asking for Dean to come out and make a statement on a particular issue. Some may disagree, but he's helping to reshape and remold the democratic party where we desperately need it. On the other side of coin, most of our democratic leadership in congress have consistently failed us, made us look weak and so often, we wonder how deep they are in pay offs. They watch their words closely and appease the administration, leaving us all disappointed that they didn't properly represent us. Dean is not "one of their own" as anyone can see. He's what all of them should be and we (the Dem people) need to start demanding nothing less.

[ChiciB1]

93. My Point EXACTLY!!

As to the Clinton comment... it was an analogy, or comparison. Going after someone, not because of their policies, but more so because of what THEY perceive as something more MORAL and Personal.

You know the bumper sticker that says.... Clinton Lied, NOBODY Died!!

Herein in lies my point!

[wyldwolf]

94. that is all beside the point -- and debatable

Dean is a leader that we (the Dem people) have asked for

When did we, the Dem people, ask for a leader like Dean? I'm not knocking his leadership, but I don't recall a poll or questionaire which indicates what you've claimed.

he's helping to reshape and remold the democratic party where we desperately need it.

Exactly how is he doing this?

[democracyindanger]

40. Yes

That's exactly what they're doing. Their strategy is to render Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, useless so he will be completely ineffective as a fundraiser and organizer for Democratic races across the country. Dean will always be an outsider. Even now, occupying one of the true insider positions of the Democratic Party, he's really an outsider because of all the people who are projecting their personal vision of what Dean is onto him. Brilliant analysis.

[Adelante]

72. Dean has never been an outsider in his life

For one thing.

Another thing: whose strategy is to render Dean useless and ineffective?

I can't understand what I am reading here today.

Have DUers turned even more paranoid than usual?

Or is it me? :tinfoilhat:

[democracyindanger]

80. Apparently

it is the party "elite" that is out to destroy the chairman of the party, because somebody said so.

[Proud_Lefty]

82. We've just seen the writing on the wall long enough

to know what's happening.

[ultraist]

54. "Concerted effort by Dems to diss him?" Oh, please

Dean needs to reign in some of his remarks.

Let' not blow this way out of proportion. There is no big conspiracy against Dean. He WAS ELECTED as Chair, was he not? And grassroots supporters didn't get to vote!

[Cha]

61. I second that "good point"

Koko!

[NYCGirl]

8. Yes, I did,

and as one of the few people here who like Biden, I was disappointed.

It's quite clear from what Dean was saying that he was criticizing those who think that standing in line in Ohio or Florida for 12 hours to vote is not something working people should have to do. He was criticizing those Republicans who think that waiting in line to vote for half a day is nothing to concern oneself about. When fully in context, the statement is right on.

Biden was ambushed with it, and responded to save himself. Instead, he should do what Dr. Dean has learned to say, and just say he doesn't know in what context the statement was, so he wouldn't comment on it.

[KoKo]

13. Good point. n/t

[Cha]

15. Excellent point about

not commenting until you've heard the context..Dean's has learned this..probably when he was Gov.

[Darkamber]

53. Sounds like both Biden and Edwards were ambushed

Hey...I like Biden too! Edwards and Biden are my two favorite Democrats. But it does sound like they were ambushed abit to give sound bites that the press ran all over.

A few weeks from now it will mean nothing.

[Beelzebud]

10. I liked Biden alot.

Until I realized his rhetoric doesn't match his voting record. He talks the talk, but then votes like republican lite.

[FourStarDemocrat]

11. Biden is just another Washington worm, he's trying to position himself as

the next Joe Lieberman for election 2008.

[creeksneakers2]

12. I think its OK for the elected people to disavow comments like that

That makes it easier for Dean to tell the truth.

[Cha]

14. This puts Dean's statement

more in context..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1829484#1829912

We should learn by now that the press takes our Dems' statements out of context to rub their noses in it when it suits them.

They probably have a whole war room set up just for that.

[necso]

16. There are several way

to play Chair-as-spokesman.

One is to have him just repeat talking points. (Of course this wouldn't work for us, since it is not our practise to stick to talking points -- even if and when we have them.) Or one can be (more or less) the intersection of the various Party positions. (This would be pretty bland, and the spokesperson would still be a target.) Or one can be (more or less) the union of Party positions (typically concentrating on some more than others) and be free to say what many Party legislators (which would be Democrats in this case) can't or won't.

Of course, when taking this last, rather aggressive stance, one can expect some Democrats to distance themselves. But this is not that big of a deal -- unless it is made into one.

It's just a little difference of opinion, and nothing that Dr Dean says doesn't reflect the views of some Democrats.

[LeFleur1]

18. Woulda Shoulda Coulda

What Biden should have said was: "I'm not familiar with Dean's comment, but we Democrats believe in freedom of speech and we aren't a lock step party. We have room for everyone. Some of the Republicans who are disenchanted with the Bush administration might want to look into that."


I understand donations are not flooding the DNC. Maybe the reason is because of people like Biden criticizing Dean on national TV. Get it together, guys. Lock step? No. We're not Republicans. Some disagreement? Yes, there is room for that in our party.

[Cha]

20. "Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda"

That's one of my sayings..I got it from my son.

Welcome to DU, LeFleur!

Here's something you may have missed about Dean's fundraising..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1825374

"Dean has raised more than any DNC Chair in history
by Parker

It's a good start, but clearly the RNC has taken things to another level. Even when we break records, they are still way ahead--Chris
A quick look at actual FEC reports shows that Dean has raised more money in an off year than any DNC Chair in history.
First Quarter of 2005 - $16.7 million
Q1/2004 - $28.7 million
Q1/2003 - $8.7 million
Q1/2002 - $11.8

And Dean is on pace to break the midyear fundraising of $23.7 in the first six months of 2001."

More..
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/6/2/85226/67718

[Pithy Cherub]

17. Put Edwards right there with Biden!

http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/politics/index.ssf?/base/politics-7/1117934549165310.xml&storylist=politics

Edwards also disagreed with Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean's controversial comment in a speech to liberal activists Thursday that many Republicans "have never made an honest living in their lives."

"The chairman of the DNC is not the spokesman for the party," Edwards said. "He's a voice. I don't agree with it."

On Saturday, Dean continued his barrage on conservatives while visiting Montana, lambasting the Bush administration for its fiscal irresponsibility and war on terror.

[janx]

22. Edwards has a right to his opinion.

When cornered by a journalist about this (I'm guessing he was since that's how these things happen), he has every right to voice his own--especially when some lazy journalist uses the worn tactic of employing an out-of-context quote.

[Pithy Cherub]

33. Yes, you are correct he has a right

to his opinion, be it accurate or not. As does everyone. What Edwards did that was most eye popping was say "The chairman of the DNC is not the spokesman for the party," Edwards said. "He's a voice. I don't agree with it."

Dean is currently elected to his speaking role and executive post of the DNC. Edwards is a private citizen expressing his opinion and declaring publically Dean is not THE spokesman for the party. That is certainly playing loose with the facts.

Many people like Edwards for many reasons. This speaks to those forming opinions on Edwards as to whether he is a consistent Democratic team player or a private citizen swaying individuals to affirm his political belief system.

We all will be in the process of collecting information to inform our opinions as presidential politics begins anew. ;)

[Donna Zen]

19. Question?

I was trying to remember what was the comment Barney Franks attacked Dean for making?

This came up in a conversation but I couldn't remember the specific. What caught me about the episode was Franks being the water-carrier on that tiff. Of course Anne Lewis is Barney's sister...

I want Dean to have an opportunity to do great things because otherwise my country will continue to slide into the lower reaches of hell. Biden and Franks need to want that too. I watched Dean clarify his position with Wolff, an interview that Biden should be aware of. That's what he should have said or would have said if he wanted the party to be successful: Dean clarified his position.

Biden brings this smarmy smarter-than-thou attitude to the table. Well, guess what? He supported the greatest geopolitical blunder the US has ever made. Dean didn't. That must piss him off.

[Cha]

23. It was the comment that Dean made about delay

being a criminal that upset barney. I didn't know Anne and he were bro and sis.

I like your analysis about.."Biden brings this smarmy smarter-than-thou attitude to the table. Well, guess what? He supported the greatest geopolitical blunder the US has ever made. Dean didn't. That must piss him off."!

[Donna Zen]

37. Thanks

I knew it was something. DeLay huh? That quote as I remember was taken out of context; besides, hasn't anyone ever used the word "hyperbole?" Or better yet, how about the word "telephone?"

Hanging dirty laundry in public nuzak places is just freakin stupid. Dean is trying to build the party that will give Biden a chairmanship. That would be a good thing to all of us.

Biden dissed Kerry (and Wes) the week before the Dem. Convention. Surprised?

The Dem. party has many wheels within wheels...little cliques that are loyal to one star or another, but they lack a true power center. No one needs lockstep, but they more often than not will concern themselves with petty insider bullshit than attend to the big picture.

As anti-war, anti-PNAC, anti-Patriot Act, and pro-sane foreign policy, pro-single payer healthcare, pro-education, pro-check and balances Democrat, I'm tired of belonging to a party that treats me as if I had three heads.

Note: I pretty sure that Anne and Barney are bro and sis. If I wrong, this is DU and someone will soon rightly shot me down. :D


:P

[Cha]

56. Right! This is DU..so far they

:D are still sister and brother..and thanks for the analysis..

"Hanging dirty laundry in public nuzak places is just freakin stupid. Dean is trying to build the party that will give Biden a chairmanship. That would be a good thing to all of us."

I wish some of these guys were as politically savvy as DUers are.

With dems like biden who needs repubs?.."Biden dissed Kerry (and Wes) the week before the Dem. Convention. Surprised?"

No, I got biden's number a looong time ago.

[markus]

21. I wonder what role Dems like this are playing in DNC fundraising?

It would be easy to jest tell all their corporatist contributors to sit on their hands until they can get one of their own in, and then say, "see, we were right all the time."

The bought-and-paid-for Dems really think we have no place to go at election time, so they can sabotage us internally and bide their time.

While I think it's stupid to try to a national third party candidate, I am increasingly convinced that it's time to emulate the Republicans and start looking at running people's Democrats in all races, including seats we currently hold.

This is our party, and there's nothing except our own sloth preventing us from running real Democrats against the corporatist careerists in our own party

[candy331]

34. Jesse Jackson Sr Rainbow Push organization is holding their

meeting Jun 11-16 and I believe out of it some alternative strategy is going to emerge. I've noted lately that Dean has said quite a few things in his speeches that I have heard Jackson mention. I don't believe that the Dems as a whole in high places realize what is at stake here and are business as usual(corporate business of course) and completely fail to see a new day is dawning, coming up from the people themselves..

There will be a march in October this year On DC and in the Black circles at least they are stressing activism, dubbed the 3rd rail by Jackson(in speech at the forum on Friday)which stressed that many planks were garnered outside the parties such as Civil Rights, Workers Rights etc. I strongly see a new day dawning and the workers ("new leaders")just have to be stroked to activity. I have faith that the people will rise and take their nation back, the storm clouds are gathering, I smell the rain.

[paulk]

24. Dean's remarks were ill - considered

to say the least.

He deserves the criticism.

Dean can "clarify" all he wants, but what he said was stupid.

Period.

[NYCGirl]

26. So concern about people having to wait in line 12 hours to vote for

president is stupid? That's what he was expressing. So Blackwell in Ohio and his ilk in Florida thinking working people have all the time in the world to spend casting their ballot is stupid?

[paulk]

36. I am specifically referring to this remark -

"Well, Republicans, I guess, can do that, because a lot of them have never made an honest living in their lives,"

I personally know several Republicans who voted for Democrats in this past election, not just at the federal level, but at the state level also. How in the world can Dean's remarks help us here? It's the job of the DNC chair to bring people into the party, not push them away.

I look at this thread and I see mostly attacks on Joe Biden, who made what I thought was a diplomatic statement. If Democrats are to win; if Howard Dean is going to be successful, we need to admit to mistakes. Dean's comment was a mistake, and Biden said so.

Dean could have made his point about working people not having eight hours to stand in line without throwing in a gratuitous insult toward Republicans.

It was a stupid thing to say, IMHO.

[NYCGirl]

38. So was I.

It was a sarcastic remark aimed at those who think there's too much being made of the voting lines.

IMHO, it wasn't a stupid thing to say — but the out of context scuffling about it from the media is stupid indeed.

[Psephos]

25. Two ways to look at it

1) Biden has a valid point, as did Franks, Edwards, etc. Why make inflammatory comments when all they do is feed the MSM's desire to show Yearrrrrgggghhhh wasn't a fluke? Where is the practical benefit in people tsk-tsking and thinking Dean is missing a few rivets in the rudder?

2) Political considerations aside, Dean has a valid point. It's time to call 'em as you see 'em. It will take a while for people to get used to that in a politician, but in the end, it builds more respect and then, trust of the Democratic Party. So paradoxically, Dean is strengthening our position, if we are patient enough for people to become familiar with our new "brand," The No Bullshit Party(TM).

I think I'll go with #2. Besides, it's much more fun. :-)

Peace.

[Proud_Lefty]

27. Is it possible the media is pitting the Dems against each

other? Remember on the Blitzer interview when he was trying to confirm that Dean said something he didn't say. They do that all the time, but Dean squarely called him on it. Why doesn't anyone think they're doing the same thing with Biden and Edwards, and each day, it'll be a new Democrat. The media is getting more and more vicious and they are clearing working overtime to discredit Dean because they're scared of him. Their usual tricks aren't working, so I think they're now out to pit Dems against each other so we'll pick sides and weaken our party. Don't fall for it.

[janx]

31. I just posted a separate thread about this very thing. n/t

[Proud_Lefty]

32. Good minds think alike

btw Cute dog!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

42. Always remember "The Opposite Theory."

Screaming headline: "Dean is not raising money!"

OT translation: "This dude is raising big money with half the power players on the sideline."

[Proud_Lefty]

43. Called "Opposite Day"

My kids try to trick me on that all the time. For some reason, this administration actually gets away with it thanks to the media. I've come to acknowledge that almost every allegation they make against another turns out to be what they themselves are guilty of. It's real eerie.

[Cha]

57. I like your "Opposite Theory"..

Rummy!

Now more than a few Dems have to recognize the OC theory.. Out of Context.

[AntiCoup2K4]

28. That PNAC signing, Likud loving, MBNA enabling bastard has no credibility.

Fuck Joe Biden, Fuck Al From, Fuck Will Marshall, and Fuck any other treasonous shitbag that the DLC rolls out before a camera to bash Dean today.

[Edgewater_Joe]

29. Hey, Biden -- Dean Speaks For Me. You DON'T.

That was the most odious line for me, when Biden claimed he didn't think Dean spoke for most Democrats.

Like HELL he doesn't, PlaigairistBoy -- Dean DOES speak for me as a Democrat, wheras YOU and your wimpy DLC don't-whip-me-too-hard-Mr.-Bush willingness to be Bush's bottom does NOT speak for me.

Get with the program or shut up, douchebag.

[sendero]

44. I'd like..

.... to second that emotion.

Biden, god you are a stupid fucking douchebag. Do you really think licking Republican boots is going to advance your "carerr"?

God you are stupid.

[ClassWarrior]

30. I think Joe the Ho deserves to have his phone lines tied up on Monday.

NGU.

[LittleClarkie]

39. Self-serving of me, but...

please note who HASN'T dissed Dean. Who donated money to welcome him. Who's PAC is mirroring Dean's efforts to organize the grassroots.

If this is the direction the political winds are blowing, please note who ISN'T leaning at this point in that direction, as some have said he will do without fail.

Knowing me, I think you can guess who I'm talking about.

[Proud_Lefty]

45. I know, I know - let me guess

He's really turning out to be one helluva leader. His performance since coming back to the senate has been extremely strong and on point - no more following campaign advisors (toe-ing the line). Thank God. Can't wait to hear what he plans to say this week. He's awesome!!!!

[Hippo_Tron]

50. If only Kerry had fought like this during the election

Admittedly, the media played a role in drowning out a lot of what he did, but I think that Kerry's advisors were seriously holding him back from doing what he wanted to do during the campaign.

[CarolNYC]

46. Everybody doesn't have to agree with everything Dean says but...

...it would be nice if the Democrats out there could at least give the appearance of supporting him. Geez...no wonder we don't win anything anymore...

[KoKo]

47. Biden's comments: "Dean doesn't speak for me or majority of Dems..."

:wow: Blitzer just did a recap of his Sunday Show highlights and showed Biden making that comment picked up from snuffies show. I guess even CNN had to get the dig in. Piling on, it looks like.

Howard Dean speaks for enough Dems that he managed to be voted DNC Chairman. If those who speak for Biden weren't powerful enough to put their own man in then he and others should just shut up and accept that Dean was the choice of State Democratic Party Chairpersons from all over America, not the "K-Street Crowd."

[tsuki]

51. And Biden speaks for whom...the credit card companies? He

sure as Hell doesn't speak for me.

In fact this morning, I had a conversation with a local Democratic Party Officer who is resigning his post. He is tired of the do-nothing, in-fighting. He claims that he will not be campaigning or voting for Boyd-D this next election. He won't vote Republican, but he won't vote Republican-Lite either. Hey, Beltway Democrats, do you think that you might have a small problem?

Beltway Democrats need to take a long look at their constituency.

[lyonn]

68. All Biden had to say was, "I might have explained

the problem differently but that Dean was describing the real problem," that sort of thing, like Repubs do when they don't agree but would never "dis" em'.

[Cha]

59. biden's a POOR LOSER!

Why don't we all write biden a note and let him know what we as Dems think of his verbiage?


http://biden.senate.gov/contact/emailjoe.cfm

[lyonn]

66. Did it

thanks for address

[Cha]

69. THank you!

And since I've haven't Welcomed you to DU, yet..

Welcome Aboard!

[Rainscents]

88. I sent him nasty email!

Told him we don't need corporate whores and he must go!

[tsuki]

48. I heard Biden say that the American Public needs to be told the truth.

That is, we won't be leaving IraqNam for a long time.

[Darkamber]

52. Yes...Biden is trying to get the truth out there...

I like Biden...he's one who will call for truth on the war and on Bolton. Both are a mess.

[Rainscents]

89. Like Him???

Biden is biggest flip-flopper! He says one thing and then, he vote other way...

[AntiCoup2K4]

70. Yes, the American Public DOES need to be told the truth...

And the truth is that Joseph Biden is a plagarizing, hair plug wearing, PNAC signing, MBNA enabling, Corporate tit sucking, Likud loving, treasonous DLC coward.

[tsuki]

87. I'm glad you said that. I cannot link all those phrases together,

but I can certainly agree with them. I wonder why Biden never objected to me being characterized as a lazy, do-nothing, unemployed Democrat?

[Hippo_Tron]

49. Rush Limbaugh said the same thing about Democrats

And our President and the Republican party openly endorse Rush Limbaugh and says that he is a great American.

[Cha]

62. Damn straight..when

limpbaugh says it about Dems..it's jolly good But when Dean says it in the context of standing in line hours to vote..then it's "Batten Down The Freakin' Hatches Time"!

"Limbaugh: Most Dem's don't work!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1826752

[ultraist]

55. Dems are not lockstep zombies like Repukes are

We welcome open dialogue and some diversity in opinion, UNLIKE the cult followers.

It's the MSM that is making this into a big gossipy infighting situation. Don't buy their BS!

Dean was ELECTED by these same Democrats. There is NO CONSPIRACY to oust Dean.

[Cha]

63. No, those "same dems" did NOT want

Dean..Dean got elected to the DNC Chair in Spite of those same Dems.

[lyonn]

65. Senator Dodd defended Dean

this am., the complete opposite approach of Biden. Guess who has character in my opinion, Dodd.

[Cha]

74. Oh, please, lyonn!

What did Dodd say? We've heard from the other faction..what did Dodd say in defense of Dean?

[Name removed]

67. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Cha]

73. You don't have an opinion

on this? And I don't think the rules are "stupid".

[XemaSab]

71. What gives with Democrats named Joe?

Are they ALL DINOs or what?

[otohara]

75. Well It's Everywhere NOW - Thanks Sen. Biden

Washington Post, CBS, ABC, CNN, General Electric, and probably Fox too, maybe even Newsmax. And tomorrow it will be in both our papers. When ever the liberal needs to slime Dean, they go to Biden and now apparantly Edwards for a sound bite or two.

[KoKo]

79. That's what pissed me. They were setting up headlines for the next week

when Blitzer has to do his "Recap" and put that in, just in case his Sunday viewers "tuned in too late" to miss the controversy.

It was like giving the Repukes a "Talking Point" from our own side.

[ndcohn]

76. Edwards and Biden are

absolutely right in doing this.

couldnt be happier with them!

[AntiCoup2K4]

77. Yawn!

Different day, same DLC shit :boring: :boring:

[otohara]

81. Why Are They Absolutely Right?

is it their job to shut Dean up? Is it their job to divide the dems and cause insider fighting? Are they the new politically correct police?

[OneTwentyoNine]

86. tick,tick tick.......n/t

[Edgewater_Joe]

90. "ndcohn" is short for "NeoCon," right?

Thought so.

[Peggy Day]

91. I called Biden's office

and left a message to discuss this kind of opinion privately to Dean. I also emailed CNN and told them to leave Dean alone. Did they make any comments when Rush mentioned that most Democrats don't work? I somehow doubt it.

[Cha]

92. Hey, Peggy Day!

Welcome to DU! Thanks for your activism on this.

No..they're not going to upset ol' rush's applecart.