Straight up: Will you vote for Dean if he's nominated?

[Melinda]

Just a yes or no in the subject line if you'd be so kind, please. My purpose is to gather simple data without any editorials or other opinion, and I hope that our mutual respect for each other wins out on this one. Thanks in advance! :hi:

[9119495]

1. Yes

[Melodybe]

10. Yes, but I would vote for any of the dems (even Lieberman)

[demnan]

2. Yes

[sidwill]

6. Yes

I'd vote for a pile of dog poo if it was running against Bush.

That said Clark is our only chance, Dean will only give us a McGovernesque defeat.

[AntiCoup2K4]

23. Wouldn't a pile of dog poo running against Bush be redundant? (n/t)

[UrbScotty]

46. What leads you to that conclusion? (nt)

[Padraig18]

3. Yes

[GainesT1958]

4. Oh, I thought you were setting it up as a poll, sorry...

Anyway, the answer, should he be the nominee, is unqualifiedly "yes".

B-)

[benburch]

5. Proud to!

I just hope that it's Dennis Kucinich, instead...

[GRocky]

7. Yes

Though I'd prefer Clark. I would vote for nearly anybody that has the capability to remove Bush from office.

[JVS]

8. OH HELL YEAH!

[ewagner]

9. Yes

[wysimdnwyg]

11. Oh, Hell Yeah!!!

[intheozone]

12. Absolutely!

nt

[madison]

13. Yes...yes...yes

[AntiCoup2K4]

14. Absotively Posolutely!

:)

[AWD]

15. HELL yes!

[Tom Rinaldo]

16. Yes yes yes, A thousand times yes...

How many times do I have to say this? As often as necessary I guess.

[Rob in B_more]

17. yes!

ABB, Dean, Sharpton, Kucinich, at the moment I prefer Clark, but as soon as the primaries are decided, when it is totaly obvious but before the convention, the nominee gets at least $100 maybe more depending on my taxes.
At that point I will be the most fervent Dean suporter of all, but until that point I will suport whom ever I want, no matter what Al Gore has to say.

[Kolesar]

18. didn't we do this already?

Y

[QC]

21. We do it several times a day. It's our very own DU Loyalty Oath.

And, for the hundredth time, yes, I will vote for whoever gets the nomination.

[Melinda]

25. Will you vote for Dean if he's nominated?

This is my first attempt to gather data on this subject, and I have not participated on other threads such as this one. I don't know of other similar threads, but their possible existence would not negate the purpose of this thread. I'm looking for real time, current as in "today" data for statistical study... thanks. :hi:

[VelmaD]

70. A couple of things...

you might get better responses if you tell people why you want the data...what you're using it for.

Second. I'm dubious about any statistical validity you could have in such a self-selected sample.

[Upfront]

19. Yes!

[LizW]

20. Absolutely.

[WillyT]

22. You Betcha !!!

:kick:

[dave29]

24. yes

and I'm thinking of voting to nominate him as well ;)

[Monte Carlo]

26. Yes...

... just as I would vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee. I have my preferences among Democrats, but I have a much, MUCH stronger preference against another four years of Bush.

[leetrisck]

27. Yes

of course I would

[WilliamPitt]

28. Oh for the love of fucking God, YES YES YES again YES

[mouse7]

32. Oh for the love of...

Can you read rules or do you just think they shouldn't apply to you?

No cursing the the title of a post. Why do you need to be reminded to much to follow the rules the rest of us have to follow?

[WilliamPitt]

39. Well, here are the rules

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

Find me where it says that.

[Melinda]

42. Please allow this thread to stay on topic?

Mouse and Mr. Pitt- I'm not asking much, okay? This is important to me and the work I'm doing today, and I need your cooperation. Thanks in advance. :)

[mouse7]

52. Here's the rule right here.

Rules to start discussion threads in the General Discussion forums

3. The subject line of a discussion thread may not include profanity or swear words, even if words or letters are replaced by asterisks, dashes, or abbreviations.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3

[WilliamPitt]

54. That refers to the starter thread

and not posts after the starter thread. Go ask an Admin if you doubt it.

[mouse7]

67. Will... hit a reply button on any message of your choice.

Look at the top line. What is the word beside the first line of any post?

"SUBJECT"

That make the first line the... SUBJECT LINE!

That wasn't too difficult, was it?

Now, if a rule say no cursing in a subject line, it means... NO CURSING IN A SUBJECT LINE.

That's not to tough for you to follow, is it?

Everyone know how you love to occasionally blow your top and throw long rants of four letter words at people. However, you will just have to do it in the message area of a post now.

[mitchum]

73. Fuck! You're still fucking mis-reading the fucking rules!

Just trying to help

[WilliamPitt]

87. Fuck fuck fuckity fuck shit fuck ass ass ass fuck shit shit fuck

[kayob1]

93. HEY

Could you watch your fucking language please? There are ladies present.

[JVS]

142. Don't you mean?

Could you watch your fucking language please? There are fucking ladies present.

[HFishbine]

124. See what we'll be missing?

Won't be the same without you, Will. Please come home.

[Scott Lee]

137. Precisely what we have been getting from Kerry, Gep and Lieberman

Thanks so much for well stating it, Mr. Pitt.

[bicentennial_baby]

89. Fuck man, you're so fucking wrong...

It's no profanity in the subject line of a GD THREAD, not in the subject line of a GD post. Got it?

[WillyT]

92. The Above Was Brought To You By Korbel Brandy, Spike Your Nog Today !!!

:hi::evilgrin::hi:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

99. You obviously can't..there's no rule that says he can't cuss in a post

[damnraddem]

29. Yes.

Since I've supported him from the start of my involvement with this crop of candidates.

Editorial to follow .............................

[5thGenDemocrat]

30. I can't answer the question simply "yes" or "no"

John

[vi5]

31. Yes

[Patriot_Spear]

33. yes. n/t

[beyurslf]

34. Yes

[UrbScotty]

35. Yes. Oui. Ja. Si.

[DarkPhenyx]

36. Absolutely!

That's kind of a yes.

[Sir_Shrek]

37. No

Haven't decided yet, so I can't definitively say yes.

[rucky]

38. Absolutely no....

...way I wouldn't

[UrbScotty]

43. Why not?

He represents our best chance at bringing back optimism and hope to America.

[Melinda]

48. Please allow this thread to stay on topic?

This is important to me and the work I'm doing today, and I need your cooperation. Thanks in advance. :)

[cmd]

40. yes

[Papillon]

41. Yes

[BrewCrew]

44. yes

[cindyw]

45. Stop asking supporters to get on their knees everyday

n/t

[Melinda]

47. Please allow this thread to stay on topic?

This is important to me and the work I'm doing today, and I need your cooperation. Thanks in advance. :)

[cindyw]

49. I gave you a straight answer. I abstain.

n/t

[TopesJunkie]

69. So you give 1/2 vote to Bush?

[cindyw]

109. I abstain from this vote. Can we get over this now?

n/t

[Scott Lee]

135. Equivalent to a "No" vote.

[AWD]

146. Um, no you didn't....

...you chimed in with more attitude. To abstain would have been to leave the thread alone.

[Bertha Venation]

50. yes

[sleipnir]

51. Ummm...this is silly

If you wanted to get info of the sort you're asking (no opinions posted), post a frickin' poll (which has been done to death here.) I'm sorry to get on a rant, but I'm really starting to get sick of half of the treads dealing with this exact topic matter. You know what the results are going to be, if you've been on the board for any amount of time, about 95% will say YES and 5% will say NO.

[bearfartinthewoods]

140. there is nothing silly about loyalty oaths

some people find them very re-affirming...it's hold you together between meet-ups....prevents doubts....reassures the spirt..
re-enforces the waivering...

better than soma!

[Bucky]

149. Robert E Lee made 4 loyalty othat in his life time

This one time it won't hurt me.

[democratreformed]

53. Too complicated for a yes or no

Let's see if I can explain this. At this point, I am supporting Wes Clark. I put most of my available energy (what's left after work, being a wife and mother, etc.) into that support. I don't have the time, energy, or interest to study Howard Dean right now. If he wins the nomination, then I will be forced to learn more about him so that I can make an informed decision. Until then, I can't answer this question.

[stinkeefresh]

55. yup

[retread]

56. ABB

*

[Eurobabe]

57. Yes, but caveat

I have to say that the diviseness and pissy comments between the Dean supporters and Clark supporters make me so sour sometimes that I don't want to vote at all. (Maybe this serves a larger GOP purpose when I think about it?)

Wesley Clark will always be my candidate of choice...for PRESIDENT. But I will vote for whoever gets the nomination. Wes will win!

[RetroLounge]

58. Yes, Hell Yes. of course, Yes...

YES!

[citizen snips]

59. Yes a million times yes.

I will vote for any democratic nominee.

[BootinUp]

60. yes

[Epoch]

61. Yes n/t

nt

[zulchzulu]

62. For 100 bucks, maybe

Kidding, kids...

I'd hold my nose and vote for him...maybe...Kerry's the guy I'm going for.

[Zynx]

63. Yes.

Anyone who doesn't vote for the nominee is a traitor to this country for allowing one more vote to not go to defeat Bush

[TopesJunkie]

64. Dean or Bush?

Is there really anyone here who would vote for Bush over Dean?

I want to talk to that person/those people ASAP.

[HFishbine]

125. See post #65 (n/t)

[neuvocat]

65. No

[TopesJunkie]

68. So you'll vote for Bush?

[mitchum]

66. ABB

[ddye]

71. No

[TopesJunkie]

75. So you'll vote for Bush?

[ddye]

77. No

I live in Virginia, which will go for Bush anyway. I'd throw away my vote for the Libertarians, for their enlightened stance on drugs.

[TopesJunkie]

81. Enlightened?

In terms of jail sentencing and criminalization, I agree. In terms of total legalization, I don't find the libertarians very enlightened at all.

[Zynx]

91. Virginia only went for Bush by six points

It can be taken.

[ddye]

122. No it can't

Sorry, but you obviously don't live here. We were lucky to elect Mark Warner, a centrist Democrat governor who's very well thought of here, even by Republicans.

I don't care about how many points Bush won by last time, he will win by more than that this time. Virginia is a fairly progressive state in some ways, but very Republican as far as national elections. The last national Democrat to win here was Lyndon Johnson.

[Anaxamander]

138. This is a great topic...

...it shows me exactly who I need to ignore.

[ajacobson]

72. Yes

[bigtree]

74. yes

(beep)

[imax2268]

76. Oh yes....

You bet I will...!

[adadem]

78. No

will sit it out and no I'm not voting for shrub.

[Zynx]

82. What state are you in?

[TopesJunkie]

84. Why does it matter?

"My state will go for Bush, anyway," is a cop out. No one can truly say that. For Pete's sake, Arizona went Clinton in '96. Anything can happen!

[maddezmom]

79. Yes

And I'm on the record once again, and I won't answer again unless I change my mind. So keep as ABB unless you hear from me again. Thanks. :)

[CalProf]

80. Yes. From a Kerry supporter. n/t

[TSIAS]

83. Yes

[K-W]

85. I might not vote

assuming CT is in no danger of going to Bush, I might just stay out of it.

[TopesJunkie]

86. So that's 1/2 vote for Bush, eh?

You can't assume anything.

[JohnKleeb]

88. No lol but only because I will be too young but I would if I could yes

So yes.

[clarknyc]

90. I'm a Dean supporter, so yes.

But I have to say, I'm getting tired of all the loyalty oaths. We're Democrats. That should be enough.

[LuminousX]

129. I wholeheartedly agree

And anyone who sits out the GE, deserve what they get.

[kayob1]

94. Yes

[LiberalBushFan]

95. will Dean supporters keep bothering us with this question?

Yes

[mikehiggins]

96. Absolutely, positively yes. n/t

[jpgpenn]

97. NO

I mean NO!

[mandyky]

98. Yes, Yes, YES

Abso-fucking-lutely!!

[morgan2]

100. kucinich or bust

[shance]

108. Kucinich is a good candidate, but please be prepared to bust.

Do you want to put all of your chips on one bet, especially on what is for now a pretty remote possibility, atleast for this election?

Do you believe holding a qualified stance is important enough to jeopardize our country for four more years?

If you care about your country, and I believe you do, I hope you will take a deeper look at the big picture and the severity of the situation facing the nation and our planet.

When we, and we all do this, resort to allowing ourselves to lock into a certain belief, and/or feel so passionately about something that we blind ourselves to other possibilities, it works against us because it blinds our ability to look at the consequences of such thinking, and we become so attached to our belief that we are right, that all other important elements become insignificant and simply put, wrong.

It reveals that we have more of a priority of wanting things our way versus doing the right thing, or more accurately, making a better or more qualified choice.

Unless mountains are moved pretty soon, I do not think Kucinich will be the Democratic nominee.

I believe in every thing Kucinich says. Many, if not most of us do here at DU, but I believe as well, hes too far ahead of much of America and our country is not fully prepared for a progressive voice like Kucinich.

I know that it sounds ridiculous to us because what Kucinich says is both logical and proactive, but theres alot of fear and ignorance driving American opinion, as well as the polls today.

If Kucinich and all Democrats could continue nurturing and expanding on the wisdom and information he is offering and allow him and others to increase his name recognition, he will become a more viable candidate along with having a nation more willing to accept someone like him.

My thoughts.

[wanderingbear]

Well. No I guess the Greens desided not to back Dean..

So Ill go with my party line.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

101. Yes with one caveat

If he is going to nominate any of his DU supporters to his cabinet I could only tolerate YOU and a few others :D

[chocolateeater]

102. Yes.

:hi:

[ibegurpard]

103. NO!

Just kidding...:hi:

[WillyT]

111. LOL !!! --- Thought Your Computer Had Been Kidnapped For A Sec !!!

:hi:

[Alex146]

104. Yes

If I could vote.

[Bill of Rights]

105. Yes

I'm ABB (even Lieberman)

[laruemtt]

106. yes

[never cry wolf]

107. ABB, absolutely, from an undecided...n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

110. Yes!

[DrBB]

112. Clark supporter says yes. Hell, I'd even vote for Joe, comes to that.

[Kathleen04]

113. Yes! n/t

[mot78]

114. YES!!!!

ABB, even Lieberman

[Zynx]

116. Hey, that's my sig line! ;-)

[yellowdog]

115. Yes

nt

[mb7588a]

117. yes but i won't be confident about it. nt.

[eileen_d]

118. Yes

Opinion withheld.

[snyttri]

119. of course

but if activists only vote there is a significant loss for the party

[jsw_81]

120. Yes

Without a doubt.

[incapsulated]

121. Yes, I will vote for the Democratic Nominee, period. n/t

[jumptheshadow]

123. Yes, for the 117th time

Sorry for the crankiness, but the answer is yes.

It will be an unenthusiastic vote, but I defintely believe Dean will be much more rational than Bush.

[diamondsoul]

126. Undecided.

Sorry, but I'm not prepared to make that decision yet. At the moment my adherence to the ABB pledge is a bit shaky, even though I signed it. I'm not pleased with a lot of the candidates at the moment, Dean included, and that's causing me to rethink the wisdom of just going ABB.

[PatGund]

127. In a word, yes

Is he my first choice? No. But if he gets the nomination, I'd vote for him. Heck, if Liberman got the nomination, I'd hold my nose and vote for him.

It's very sad to see people here that say that if x, y, or z gets the nomination, they won't vote for them, with excuses ranging from "too liberal", or "republican in disguise", or "too flaky", or "not a 'real" democrat", (or "not my type of democrat").

It's hard to believe there are people so petty that they'd rather have four more years of Shrub's mismanagement and looting than vote for the democratic nominee. (And yes, this is aimed towards anyone who says "If Dean gets the nomination, I won't vote for him" or says "If Clark gets the nomination, I won't vote for him", or whatever.

If I can hold my nose and vote for Liberman if he gets the nomination, you can bloody well hold your nose and vote for Dean, Clark, or whoever you may not personally like. Unless you'd really rather have four more years of Bush, in which case, go join the Republicans and root for him.)

[southpaw]

128. Dean is not Bush...

Therefore: HELL YES!

[Mairead]

130. No.

He doesn't offer enough. He's Bush Lite.

[gulliver]

131. Yes.

Then I'll get out my harmonica and figure out "Nearer My God to Thee" as the good ship Democratic Party sinks with all aboard. I see a stiff glass of bourbon somewhere in the picture too.

If we go with Dean, we will have gone off half-cocked, IMO. He's a good guy, but not for 2004.

[auntpattywatty]

132. OF COURSE - YES

[ErasureAcer]

133. no

he doesn't relfect my beliefs...therefore he doesn't get my vote.

I would be wasting my voice if I voted for someone I don't agree with.

[Scott Lee]

134. Yes Ma'am

[Beaker]

136. Doubtful.

If I were going to vote for a republican, I'd vote for a REAL republican.

I might vote third party, or I might abstain completely.

[goobergunch]

139. If able to vote, I would. (n/t)

[ClarkUeberAlles]

141. Yes

Even though Bush will obliterate Dean in 2004.

[unfrigginreal]

143. Yes!

nt

[TrueAmerican]

144. Yes, I'll vote for Dean if nominated for V.P.

I doubt Clark would select him.

[Killarney]

145. Yes - I will vote for whoever we nominate

[kmla]

147. Yes. Gladly.

Or Kerry.
Or Clark.
Or Kucinich.
Or Edwards.
Or Gephardt.
Or Mosely-Braun.
Or Sharpton.

Lieberman?

Yeah.

[bowens43]

148. yes

[ozone_man]

150. Yes. n/t

[LWolf]

151. probably

but I'll work hard to nominate someone I like better before I cross that bridge. I don't have to cross it today, and hopefully will not have to cross it at all. Voting for Dr. Dean would be a last resort. Not a current priority.

Gathering data without opinion? I have to wonder how you mean to use that data. And if it will be accurate without the nuance behind the yes or no.

If someone posts a "no" reply, someone else is waiting in the wings to jump in and pronounce a vote for Bush. In other words, if a voter does not feel comfortable with howard dean, they are a bush supporter. A traitor to the party. That's flamebait. Why make it about dean? Why not just ask,

"Straight up--will you vote for the democrat, no matter who is nominated?"

[Insurance_Analyst]

152. That is silly...Of course I will!!! My wife too!!!

[MODemocrat]

153. Absolutely I will vote for Dean in a heartbeat

Just as I will vote for any of the other Dem candidates who get the nomination. :toast: :dem: :hi: